AP Says Homophobia Off the Mark in De...

AP Says Homophobia Off the Mark in Describing Antigay Bigotry

There are 16 comments on the www.advocate.com story from Nov 26, 2012, titled AP Says Homophobia Off the Mark in Describing Antigay Bigotry. In it, www.advocate.com reports that:

In mainstream newspapers in the coming year, you're a lot less likely to see bigotry against gay people described as "homophobia." The Associated Press Stylebook, which most U.S. papers utilize as a usage guide, now frowns upon the use of the term, with editors saying it amounts to a diagnosis of mental illness.

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“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#1 Nov 26, 2012
BOYCOTT the AP !

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#2 Nov 26, 2012
This was inevitable.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#4 Nov 26, 2012
Franz wrote:
Good I'm sick of hearing that fake, made up meaningless word.
Instead of homophobia how about using anti-deviancy or anti-perversion?
Aren't ALL words "made up" ???

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#5 Nov 26, 2012
And I HATE hearing that stupid name: "Bundesrepublik Deutschland" ! Where did THAT come from ?! They made it up !

:)

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#6 Nov 26, 2012
"Homophobia" is a REAL word, with REAL meaning.

And words are "made up" all the time. Otherwise, there would be no "AMERICA".:)

(And if anyone here is familiar at all with computers and other elctronic devices, I'm sure you can thinkof MANY words that didn't exist 40 years ago, and thus had to be "made up".)
SirAndrew

Honolulu, HI

#7 Nov 26, 2012
I think the AP is correct. As a gay journalist the word has always bothered me. In its etymology it doesn't mean what we want it to mean. And antigay bigotry is almost always based on so much more than the definition we've forced on this word. And yes, it is a psychiatric evaluation that has no place in reportage unless it is a valid diagnosis and germane to the story.

We can do better. Thank you, AP, for moving us forward.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#9 Nov 26, 2012
SirAndrew wrote:
I think the AP is correct. As a gay journalist the word has always bothered me. In its etymology it doesn't mean what we want it to mean. And antigay bigotry is almost always based on so much more than the definition we've forced on this word. And yes, it is a psychiatric evaluation that has no place in reportage unless it is a valid diagnosis and germane to the story.
We can do better. Thank you, AP, for moving us forward.
I disagree.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#10 Nov 26, 2012
Franz wrote:
Good I'm sick of hearing that fake, made up meaningless word.
Instead of homophobia how about using anti-deviancy or anti-perversion?
I'm sick of the fake, made up meaningless names you keep making up and using, liar.

Why are you LIARS so insistent on using false names all the time and pretending to be from cities all over the world? Aren't you PROUD of your hate? OWN it, liar.

And REGISTER, you coward.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#11 Nov 26, 2012
SirAndrew wrote:
I think the AP is correct. As a gay journalist the word has always bothered me. In its etymology it doesn't mean what we want it to mean. And antigay bigotry is almost always based on so much more than the definition we've forced on this word. And yes, it is a psychiatric evaluation that has no place in reportage unless it is a valid diagnosis and germane to the story.
We can do better. Thank you, AP, for moving us forward.
i got a better name for those tools. How about "douche bags"?

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#12 Nov 26, 2012
Fa-Foxy wrote:
And I HATE hearing that stupid name: "Bundesrepublik Deutschland" ! Where did THAT come from ?! They made it up !
:)
He's in Germany like I am in Germany. Don't be fooled by their LIES and false names and false cities. All liars.
david traversa

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#13 Nov 26, 2012
However you turn it hating in the plural is always wrong; it doesn't take other than an average intelligence to realize this; the trouble is the average seem to be so tragically below-average..
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#14 Nov 27, 2012
Franz wrote:
Good I'm sick of hearing that fake, made up meaningless word.
Instead of homophobia how about using anti-deviancy or anti-perversion?
Because 'anti-deviancy' and 'anti-perversion' are not phobias

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#15 Nov 27, 2012
I've never been a big fan of the word, in part because homophobes often claim they have no fear of gay people, just aversion, contempt, or sometimes just raw hate. My favorite is "anti-gay prejudice", as it covers all the bases. Hate and/or fear are not required.

While the author may have intended it to include fear, the current understanding does not require fear to fulfill the definition. Aversion, contempt, and basic prejudice also fulfill the current definition, according to Wiki at least:

"Homophobia is a range of negative attitudes and feelings towards lesbian, gay, bisexual, and in some cases transgender and intersex people. Definitions refer variably to antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, and irrational fear.[1][2][3] Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior such as discrimination[1][2] and violence on the basis of a perceived non-heterosexual orientation.(wiki)

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#16 Nov 27, 2012
SirAndrew wrote:
I think the AP is correct. As a gay journalist the word has always bothered me. In its etymology it doesn't mean what we want it to mean. And antigay bigotry is almost always based on so much more than the definition we've forced on this word. And yes, it is a psychiatric evaluation that has no place in reportage unless it is a valid diagnosis and germane to the story.
We can do better. Thank you, AP, for moving us forward.
"Prejudice" or specifically "Anti-gay prejudice" is my favorite term. It covers all the bases, and is easily observable through both words and actions. Unlike "bigotry", prejudice does not require hate. Nor is fear required:

"Prejudice, we are beginning to understand, rises not from malice or hostile animus alone. It may result as well from insensitivity caused by simple want of careful, rational reflection or from some instinctive mechanism to guard against people who appear to be different in some respects from ourselves." (Golinski v. OPM)

"And where, as here, "there is no reason to believe that the disadvantaged class is different, in relevant respects" from a similarly situated class, this court may conclude that it is only irrational prejudice that motivates the challenged classification. As irrational prejudice plainly never constitutes a legitimate government interest, this court must hold that Section 3 of DOMA as applied to Plaintiffs violates the equal protection principles embodied in the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution." (Gill v.OPM)

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#17 Nov 27, 2012
Homophobia is one of those eye of the beholder words, with no general consensus as to what or who fits its fairly flexible definitions. Reporters aren't forbidden from quoting others using the word, it's just being recommended that they avoid using the word in the parts of the story which are supposed to be the neutral reporting of facts. Maybe they can replace it with rationality challenged anti-gay thinking and/or acts.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#18 Nov 27, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
I've never been a big fan of the word, in part because homophobes often claim they have no fear of gay people, just aversion, contempt, or sometimes just raw hate. My favorite is "anti-gay prejudice", as it covers all the bases. Hate and/or fear are not required.
While the author may have intended it to include fear, the current understanding does not require fear to fulfill the definition. Aversion, contempt, and basic prejudice also fulfill the current definition, according to Wiki at least:
"Homophobia is a range of negative attitudes and feelings towards lesbian, gay, bisexual, and in some cases transgender and intersex people. Definitions refer variably to antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, and irrational fear.[1][2][3] Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior such as discrimination[1][2] and violence on the basis of a perceived non-heterosexual orientation.(wiki)
That was VERY good.

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