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Gay Marriage Bill in Minnesota Probably Won't Pass, Expert Says

There are 22 comments on the www.southfloridagaynews.com story from Dec 26, 2012, titled Gay Marriage Bill in Minnesota Probably Won't Pass, Expert Says. In it, www.southfloridagaynews.com reports that:

Despite Minnesotans recently voting “no” to a referendum that would have banned gay marriage in the state, one political expert thinks the Democrat-controlled house and senate won’t legalize same-sex marriage.

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Tammy

Victoria, MN

#2 Dec 26, 2012
So glad that Caleb could provide all the religious quotes to back his side up... but in reality, its not about religious freedoms... its about equality...equal rights for alll, not just straight folks.

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“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#4 Dec 26, 2012
Caleb wrote:
No Christian could ever affirm or bless what *GOD* condemns:
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
I hear a goat bleating.

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“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#5 Dec 26, 2012
Caleb wrote:
No Christian could ever affirm or bless what *GOD* condemns:
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
-Galatians 3:28
Caleb wrote:
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
-Galatians 3:28
Caleb wrote:
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
-Galatians 3:28
Caleb wrote:
I Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Matthew 7:1
Caleb wrote:
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
John 3 >>
New International Version 1984

“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,f that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Titus 3:
"Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,

To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men."

Maybe this verse is why you hide behind so many screen names David:

"Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”
John 3:20-21

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“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#6 Dec 26, 2012
Tammy wrote:
So glad that Caleb could provide all the religious quotes to back his side up... but in reality, its not about religious freedoms... its about equality...equal rights for alll, not just straight folks.
Titus 3 is a very good point to make with anyone who claims they are exempt from Worldly laws.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#7 Dec 27, 2012
It's one thing not to allow Marriage Equality, another to Amend the State Constitution when existing Law accomplishes the same thing.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#8 Dec 27, 2012
A more accurate headline would have said "probably won't pass this year".

They will wisely wait until 2014 to pass their marriage bill, after the budget and other issues are dealt with.

We can wait.

“Church | | State”

Since: Jun 07

Toby's Landing

#9 Dec 27, 2012
Tammy wrote:
So glad that Caleb could provide all the religious quotes to back his side up... but in reality, its not about religious freedoms... its about equality...equal rights for alll, not just straight folks.
"Caleb" is really just another in a never-ending list of assumed names for a closeted religious freak named David. He copy-and-pastes various editions of the same old crap over and over on any thread he can find with the words "gay marriage" in it.

I have always found that straight men, whether they are cool with gay people or cringe at the thought, generally don't bother to discuss it much. People who seek out opportunities to criticize, oppress, bash, or beat up gay people are usually so homophobic because of what they see in themselves. Many of them hide behind the bible (as David does) and hope that no one will realize that they are gay (remember Ted Haggard?) And those that get elected to legislatures or Congress often incessantly push anti-gay legislation or make rabid anti-gay comments from their bully pulpits (remember Larry Craig?)

And now that more and more Americans are waking up to the fact that gay people are everywhere and not these faceless monsters that the church has portrayed us to be these people are becoming more desperate as they become more irrelevant.

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“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#10 Dec 27, 2012
Lazlow wrote:
<quoted text>
"Caleb" is really just another in a never-ending list of assumed names for a closeted religious freak named David. He copy-and-pastes various editions of the same old crap over and over on any thread he can find with the words "gay marriage" in it.
I have always found that straight men, whether they are cool with gay people or cringe at the thought, generally don't bother to discuss it much. People who seek out opportunities to criticize, oppress, bash, or beat up gay people are usually so homophobic because of what they see in themselves. Many of them hide behind the bible (as David does) and hope that no one will realize that they are gay (remember Ted Haggard?) And those that get elected to legislatures or Congress often incessantly push anti-gay legislation or make rabid anti-gay comments from their bully pulpits (remember Larry Craig?)
And now that more and more Americans are waking up to the fact that gay people are everywhere and not these faceless monsters that the church has portrayed us to be these people are becoming more desperate as they become more irrelevant.
NoQ is a good example as well.

I've shown many of my straight male friends some of his stuff and they just laugh. Every one of them agrees the poor kid has some serious issues. One thought was that maybe his testicles never dropped and he's afraid someone will find out he's not the man he wants people to think he is.

In any case, most normal straight men aren't obsessed with gay male sex like he and Brown Limpsdick are.

“Church | | State”

Since: Jun 07

Toby's Landing

#11 Dec 27, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>NoQ is a good example as well...
Yes... He's sometimes worse than David Moore. I usually refer to him as "NoIQ". It's way more appropriate!

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#12 Dec 27, 2012
"If Jesus ever said anything about homosexuality, it is not recorded in the Bible, even mistranslated. He did, however, speak extensively on God's unconditional love. Yet instead of dwelling on biblical love, Christians have historically been more concerned with obscure passages of Levitical cleanliness codes and Paul's misunderstood comments in Romans. Instead of focusing on the incredible injustice and hatred demonstrated by Christians and others, tying to deny homosexuals even basic civil rights, people appear more concerned with the specific homosexual acts between consenting adults who are naturally have a homosexual orientation. As James B. Nelson notes, the Bible more clearly advocates a "love ethic" rather than a "sex ethic."

I Cor 6:9, no way refers to homosexuality. The original Greek word often quoted as sexual immorality, Paul used was "porneia" which means "a harlot for hire". In Corinth in the temples of Venus, the principal deity of Corinth, where Christians went to worship, a thousand public prostitutes were kept at public expense to glorify and act as surrogates for the fertility Gods. This sex with the pagan Gods is what Paul was talking about - fornication is an admitted mistranslation and has nothing to do with gays or singles sex. This rendering reflected the bias of the translators rather than an accurate translation of Paul's words to a culture of 2000 years ago worshipping pagan sex gods.

Romans 1:26-27 mentions homosexual acts performed by people who are clearly described as heterosexual. The men in the NT patriarchal culture exerted dominance not only over women, but over younger males as well. The nature of homosexual acts in the Bible are so very different from what we know as homosexuality today that the passages have no application to today's homosexuality. Such practices as in NT times simply no longer exist. Alleged references to homosexuality in I Corinthians and I Timothy are the inventions of anti-gay translators. They are not in the original Greek texts." (Rev. Dr. Mel White)

The word "homosexual" wasn't even invented until 1869. When you see it in the bible, you know it is a modern mistranslation and misinterpretation of the original texts.

"What the Bible forbids is acts of lust, rape, idolatry, violation of religious purity obligations, or pederasty, but no condemnation of homosexuality in relationships of mutual respect and love. "On the other hand, the Bible pointedly celebrates instances of same-sex emotional intimacy, a fact often overlooked by fearful homophobic readers." (James B. Nelson, Professor of Christian Ethics, United Theological Seminary)

Yet Jesus told us:

John 13:34: A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

John 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.

John 15:17: This is my command: Love each other.

Matthew 7:1: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

Luke 6:37: "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Matthew 7:12: So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Meanwhile, the few mistranslated and misinterpreted verses promoted by some who claim to be Christians, continue to cause needless suffering and death, here and around the world.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#13 Dec 27, 2012
Tammy wrote:
So glad that Caleb could provide all the religious quotes to back his side up... but in reality, its not about religious freedoms... its about equality...equal rights for alll, not just straight folks.
Yet even those few quotes have been mistranslated and misinterpreted. Some were talking about pagan ritual orgies and had nothing to do with committed adult relationships built on mutual love and respect. And the last two are inventions of anti-gay translators. Yet they continue to be promoted as an excuse to ignore the Golden Rule, and to justify causing needless suffering and death. It amazes and appalls me that some people who call themselves Christian continue to use a few mistranslated bible verses to justify causing such harm in the name of Jesus.

But because there is no rational or scientific justification for prejudice and discrimination, a few mistranslated and misinterpreted verses are the only remaining excuse for harming others needlessly. Otherwise, they must admit their denial of equality is based on nothing more than irrational prejudice.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#14 Dec 27, 2012
Lazlow wrote:
<quoted text>
People who seek out opportunities to criticize, oppress, bash, or beat up gay people are usually so homophobic because of what they see in themselves. Many of them hide behind the bible (as David does) and hope that no one will realize that they are gay (remember Ted Haggard?) And those that get elected to legislatures or Congress often incessantly push anti-gay legislation or make rabid anti-gay comments from their bully pulpits (remember Larry Craig?)
And now that more and more Americans are waking up to the fact that gay people are everywhere and not these faceless monsters that the church has portrayed us to be these people are becoming more desperate as they become more irrelevant.
"In 2012, at Atlanta’s annual Martin Luther King Jr. rally, the public evolution of Bernice King shocked those in attendance.(GA Voice):
In a passionate, sermon-like speech about building unity, King said she didn’t care if people were Hindu, Buddhist, Islamist, were from the North side or the South side, were black or white, were “heterosexual or homosexual, or gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender”— that all people were needed to create unity.

LGBT people who attended the rally said they were shocked that King – who has a long anti-gay past — actually acknowledged the community in a public speech, but said they were also glad because it shows people can evolve.

As I noted in the 2004 quote, Bernice King was a congregant at Bishop Eddie Long’s New Birth Missionary Baptist Church. One cannot help but believe that that horrific scandal involving the prosperity gospel advocate had an impact on Ms. King. Long settled with four young men who accused him of being a sexual predator under the guise of ministering to them. As civil rights legend Julian Bond observed about Long in 2010:

“He said that homosexuality is worthy of death. He is a raving homophobe,” said the civil rights legend former longtime Georgia legislator.“If [the allegations] are true, it’s just sort of typical of people who are raving homophobes who are secretly homosexual. And who are homophobes because they are filled with so much self-loathing and self-hate that they’ve got to let it come out in some way, and it comes out in homophobia.”

In the wake of this, Bernice King left New Birth, and clearly, with her appearance at this year’s MLK Day, she wanted the public to see her evolution on the matter of the civil rights – and the inclusion of LGBTs in that social justice fight.

Paulina Helm-Hernandez, the LGBT honorary grand marshal for today’s march and rally, said she also was surprised to hear King’s inclusive words.

“I thought it was great. First time I’ve ever heard her say lesbian, gay, bi and trans out loud,” she said.“She said homosexual at first and then corrected herself. It takes a lot of grace to do something like that when you’re on a roll.

We have to allow for people to grow and learn, and it took courage for King to make her statement. With her declaration, we will now see if Bernice King follows the lead of her late mother, Coretta Scott King, and her late sister, Yolanda, in their advocacy of full equality for members of the LGBT community."

http://pamshouseblend.firedoglake.com/2012/01...

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Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#15 Dec 27, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Yet even those few quotes have been mistranslated and misinterpreted. Some were talking about pagan ritual orgies and had nothing to do with committed adult relationships built on mutual love and respect. And the last two are inventions of anti-gay translators. Yet they continue to be promoted as an excuse to ignore the Golden Rule, and to justify causing needless suffering and death. It amazes and appalls me that some people who call themselves Christian continue to use a few mistranslated bible verses to justify causing such harm in the name of Jesus.
But because there is no rational or scientific justification for prejudice and discrimination, a few mistranslated and misinterpreted verses are the only remaining excuse for harming others needlessly. Otherwise, they must admit their denial of equality is based on nothing more than irrational prejudice.
I disagree. It's not just irrational prejudice. It's there need to feed their self righteousness.

The idea that they'd be found unworthy of Him terrifies them. So rather than examine their own hearts and souls, they strike out at anything that may threaten their self importance.

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Born in Newark Ohio

#16 Dec 27, 2012
ooops:
"their" not "there"

Since: Jun 11

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#17 Dec 27, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
A more accurate headline would have said "probably won't pass this year".
They will wisely wait until 2014 to pass their marriage bill, after the budget and other issues are dealt with.
We can wait.
Oh, but how great it would be if they passed it. Where would that leave Baker?(moot?)

But those in Minnesota will probably have to wait for legal recognition of their Canadian marriages, and more will die having lived their entire lives without equal treatment by their government, as promised in the constitution.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#18 Dec 27, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>I disagree. It's not just irrational prejudice. It's there need to feed their self righteousness.
The idea that they'd be found unworthy of Him terrifies them. So rather than examine their own hearts and souls, they strike out at anything that may threaten their self importance.
Probably true, yet even if they gave up their irrational prejudice toward gay people, they would still have pagans, idolaters, wiccans, Hindus, tattoo artists, and others to make them feel superior.

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“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#19 Dec 27, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
<quoted text>
Probably true, yet even if they gave up their irrational prejudice toward gay people, they would still have pagans, idolaters, wiccans, Hindus, tattoo artists, and others to make them feel superior.
I hope you've read "The Fundamentalist Agenda". Many points you make are covered in it.

The Fundamentalist Agenda
http://www.uuworld.org/2004/01/feature2.html

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AOL

#20 Dec 27, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>I hope you've read "The Fundamentalist Agenda". Many points you make are covered in it.
The Fundamentalist Agenda
http://www.uuworld.org/2004/01/feature2.html
"The most famous definition of fundamentalism is H. L. Mencken's: a terrible, pervasive fear that someone, somewhere, is having fun."

Thanks. Don't believe I have seen that one. It makes some very important points about fundamentalism.

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“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#21 Dec 27, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
<quoted text>
"The most famous definition of fundamentalism is H. L. Mencken's: a terrible, pervasive fear that someone, somewhere, is having fun."
Thanks. Don't believe I have seen that one. It makes some very important points about fundamentalism.
I particularly liked this part as well:

"One scholar suggested that it's helpful to understand fundamentalism as religious fascism, and fascism as political fundamentalism. The phrase “overcoming the modern” is a fascist slogan dating back to at least 1941."

Love it when one of our favorite trolls starts going on about the modern world,'follywood', technology and moral decay. It's like he's reading a script penned by Mussolini!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#22 Dec 27, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Oh, but how great it would be if they passed it. Where would that leave Baker?(moot?)
But those in Minnesota will probably have to wait for legal recognition of their Canadian marriages, and more will die having lived their entire lives without equal treatment by their government, as promised in the constitution.
There is still a chance it could be passed at the end of 2013, assuming they get all the other issues like the budget & pension reform hammered out. I just think it's more likely they'll do it first thing in 2014, well ahead of the election.

I'd say Baker is pretty much moot as it is, since every court to rule on marriage issues has basically ignored it or found a way around it.

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