Russia moves to enact anti-gay law nationwide

Jan 21, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Sunherald.com

St. Petersburg and a number of other Russian cities already have similar laws on their books.

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<quoted text> A “Cultural Norm” is just what the name implies, I f you wish I could even quote the definition for you “Sociologists speak of at least four types of norms: folkways, mores, taboos, and laws. Folkways, sometimes known as “conventions” or “customs,” are standards of behavior that are socially approved but not morally significant. For example, belching loudly after eating dinner at someone else's home breaks an American folkway. Mores are norms of morality. Breaking mores, like attending church in the nude, will offend most people of a culture. Certain behaviors are considered taboo, meaning a culture absolutely forbids them, like incest in U.S. culture. Finally, laws are a formal body of rules enacted by the state and backed by the power of the state. Virtually all taboos, like child abuse, are enacted into law, although not all mores are. For example, wearing a bikini to church may be offensive, but it is not against the law. Members of a culture must conform to its norms for the culture to exist and function. Hence, members must want to conform and obey rules. They first must internalize the social norms and values that dictate what is “normal” for the culture; then they must socialize, or teach norms and values to, their children. If internalization and socialization fail to produce conformity, some form of “social control” is eventually needed. Social control may take the form of ostracism, fines, punishments, and even imprisonment”
They serve their purpose, UNTIL they become a tyranny of their own.

During the debates leading up to the American Declaration of Independence from the British Empire, one of our founders posed the question for discussion: "Why should I exchange one tyrant 3000 miles away, for 3000 tyrants 1 mile away? An elected legislature can trample a man's Freedom as well as a King."

America structured it's government based upon DIStrust of BOTH the Government AND of "Tyranny of the Majority". Our Constitution set in place "checks and balances" designed to scatter power among the various branches of Government, pitting them agaisnt each other yet requiring cooperation for anything to get done. It also guaranteed the sovereignty of the People, but protected INDIVIDUAL sovereignty from the majority. A separate and independent supreme Judiciary was created the final authority on all matters referred to it by lower Courts (it cannot choose to hear a case not brought to it from a lower Court), and ANY attempt to influence the Courts in ANY way or by ANY MEANS is grievous crime.

In our history, the U.S. has had only three Constitutional crises. One during the Administration of Thomas Jefferson. One resulting in our Civil War. The last was the case of President Richard Nixon.

For 237 years, the system has worked. In that time there has been a steady progression TOWARD more recognition of innate Freedoms as Rights to be guaranteed and protected by Government. At the same time, there are others within who only seek their private gain at the expense of everyone else, and wish to deprive them of the freedoms that birth gave them.

"It's not how well the bear dances. It's that it dances at all."

America, and American cultures are an experiment.

Learning comes from experience. More experience means more learning. Greater diversity and freedom provide more experience. Diversity and Freedom lead to more learning.

At the same time there are those working to "dumb-down" the Citizens.

It's the age old struggle. Self-appointed oligarchs vs everyone else. It isn't "class warfare". It's thieves and bullies against freedom itself.

I studied ALL of the social sciences. I started college at 14 and literally wiped out the Social Science offerings in the Course Catalog. They created a special fully accredited Degree for me: "Bachelor of Social Sciences". The alternative would have been to give me nine Bachelors. lol I'm acquainted with the discipline.

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MODERATOR !! TOPIX is ssttuutteerriinngg AGAIN!

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<quoted text>When is it right and proper for a small group of people to force their will on a larger group who views there life style as hygienically, spiritually and morally wrong? The core cultural norm in Russia says that this behavior {I speak of homosexuality of coarse} while tolerated in when done in private is not proper in public. America is becoming culturally bankrupt because of this type of thing. Just because you view morality as “Nonsense” does not mean everyone else does.
Don't flatter yourself that it has ever been "tolerated".

Sometimes the group is simply wrong.

Fight the microbe, not the person who caught it.

"Culturally bankrupt" is a silly fabrication. America is FAR from even culturally stale! lolol Perhaps you are conflating "culture" with some other concept? Perhaps your definition of culture is at variance with common usages? I am willing to give good consideration on the chance that it will be something new. I like new and different and unexpected and ...

I suspect that this may be at the core of our differences.

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btw: You defined "norms", NOT "cultural". Norms arise from culture. Culture doesn't arise from norms. Not living, growing and changing ones, anyway.

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Abominations must always be kept private, filthy dogs.
Who says something is an "abomination". Who says it must be kept private? By what authority?

Careful now. You wouldn't want to sound like an irrational control freak.

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Well said, SYNO. My feelings exactly.
Ok. Well enough I guess. But what are your THOUGHTS?

Do you have any?

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This is an abomination, you anglo saxon filthy dogs.
'US a police state, Obama consciously allows torture'– CIA veteran John Kiriakou.
I'm not going to defend it. It is better than a bullet in a cellar. It isn't our common practice, and many have screamed about it. Blow up one of our buildings, killing thousands, and we tend to get a bit reactionary.

So, go tell it to the gulag archipelago, or the people of Afghanistan, eh? Do you REALLY want to compare lists?

Now answer well, or when you get home you might find your loaded pistol waiting for you on your desk. It's a Russian tradition ... just to save everyone else the bother.

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<quoted text>If that is what you got out of my post perhaps you should reread it,, The derogation of cultural norms is on going in the states, and Homosexuality is simply the beginning.
That's called the "Slippery Slope Fallacy".

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237 years long no been many gay(7-10%) in America. This made is propoganda homosexualism. Pseudo liberty.

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Iraq had nothing to do with planes flying into tall buildings
yet, you brutal, criminal scum, went there and in 10 years you totally destroyed the whole country, killed 1.5 million citizens and left behind total chaos.
You are as bad as the nazis of germany, in the last century.
I'M not.

I suspect that the Iraq lie was just what they thought the people were prepared to support. Bad idea. Bush II was also a bad idea.

The real reason seems to have more to do with strategic positioning.

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That shit will not wash, Iraq is just one atrocity out of thousands that, your uncivilised despicable country has comitted throught the Globe.
Care to list a few ... on ANOTHER THREAD more appropriate to the topic? It will probably attract some attention and debate could get interesting.

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237 years long no been many gay(7-10%) in America. This made is propoganda homosexualism. Pseudo liberty.
That is just not true. Ever hear of one of the German Generals who help in our Revolution, General von Steuben? Abraham Lincoln was gay. So was James Buchanan. The list is really large of great American men who were gay ... from our earliest days. Among Native American Aborigines gay people were accepted in about 70% of the various tribes. In a few tribes they were revered. One tribe called them "two spirit people", because they "carried both male and female spirits within them".



The 7-10% includes both male and female and is of the total population, not in all locations. It fluctuates a bit.

"homosexual-ISM" is a false category. An "ism" is an ideology. Sexual orientation is not an ideology. Also, "homosexual" really refers to behavior, not to orientation, and that is misleading.

Please give one example of what you think is "homosexual" behavior.

Lastly, "Freedom" is personal, absolute, innate and immutable. "Rights" are specific aspects of Freedom that are guaranteed and protected by the Government we have created to do so. "Liberty" is related to social custom and sensibilites. Often these words become confused with each other, by the uneducated or ill-informed, but they DO have precise legal definitions.

In much of our history, gay people have hidden because of persecution by religious extremism. These same extremists made slavery legal, kept women as property and unable to vote, married 12 year old girls, declared marriage between races a capital crime, promoted extermination of the Native Americans, and much more. They found ways to insert their extreme views into the Laws. In this way they controlled everyone else. If you think of the worst parts of Islamic shariya law in "christian clothes", you would be close. These people were Medieval in their minds, attitudes and beliefs. They were dangerous and deadly. Their time is coming to a close.

I have questions for you.

How are your opinions formed? Do you actually know ANY gay people? Personally?

I cannot ask you if you know any FREE gay people, because in your Country there aren't any. Certainly no gay who have been free from birth.

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It's been around since before Columbus landed on Hispanola, and all the time since.
What do you imagine that you are talking about?
Wasn't supporting your opinions with links to facts included in your training? Intellectual integrity?
Go have another shot of vodka. THAT will make reality conform to your imaginings, now won't it.
What a prig.
Homosexuality has been around forever and that is a fact,, same as Bestiality, Pedophilia, Rape, but it does not make it at all normal.
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<quoted text>Homosexuality has been around forever and that is a fact,, same as Bestiality, Pedophilia, Rape, but it does not make it at all normal.
Very well stated. Homosexuality is exactly like Beastiality, Pedophilia, Rape and Polygamy. All of these are wrong. All of these are sins.

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Who says something is an "abomination". Who says it must be kept private? By what authority?
Careful now. You wouldn't want to sound like an irrational control freak.
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The Bible says homosexuality is an abomination, eventhough personally I believe the Bible is a load of bollocks.

Nevertheless, most people believe the Bible is the word of God, therefore, God says it's an abomination eventhough I believe God is a load of bollocks.

My premise is, if all men had been gay 1000 years ago, you would not be here now blabbering a no brainer, humanity would have been facked, humanity would be NO MORE.

Now I ask, what insane idiot is going to tell me, that IS NORMAL.
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The Bible says homosexuality is an abomination, eventhough personally I believe the Bible is a load of bollocks.
Nevertheless, most people believe the Bible is the word of God, therefore, God says it's an abomination eventhough I believe God is a load of bollocks.
My premise is, if all men had been gay 1000 years ago, you would not be here now blabbering a no brainer, humanity would have been facked, humanity would be NO MORE.
Now I ask, what insane idiot is going to tell me, that IS NORMAL.
Im as straight as an arrow, but even the Greeks and Romans screwed each other, even the arabs still enjoy man ass today. I'll share an intelligence briefing I received at original deployment to Croatia in 1992 in theatre as a Canadian rifleman, we where warned to avoid being around the Jordanian soldiers who where joining the UN effort because of their homosexual tendencies of screwing men. I thought it was a joke but it wasnt . Lets say everyday you learn something new, that day I learned I'll have my rifle at the ready, a round up the spout and the sling attatched to my forearm every time the muslim Jordanian troops come around, I was lucky we only crossed paths with Brits, French, swedes, Nepalese, and Argentinians for the most part. There will always be a small percentage of homos and canoe lickers in society just the way it is. Either accept this as existing or just avoid them like the plague, personal choice. If your not a homo im sure theyll avoid you too, otherwise accept the flattery or knock em out.. personal choice. Russias choice doesnt move the country forward in evoloution, just means when this regime is gone another government will have to deal with it... like really are gays destined for a prison cell... wasting resources and money.

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Jay wrote:
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Im as straight as an arrow, but even the Greeks and Romans screwed each other, even the arabs still enjoy man ass today. I'll share an intelligence briefing I received at original deployment to Croatia in 1992 in theatre as a Canadian rifleman, we where warned to avoid being around the Jordanian soldiers who where joining the UN effort because of their homosexual tendencies of screwing men. I thought it was a joke but it wasnt . Lets say everyday you learn something new, that day I learned I'll have my rifle at the ready, a round up the spout and the sling attatched to my forearm every time the muslim Jordanian troops come around, I was lucky we only crossed paths with Brits, French, swedes, Nepalese, and Argentinians for the most part. There will always be a small percentage of homos and canoe lickers in society just the way it is. Either accept this as existing or just avoid them like the plague, personal choice. If your not a homo im sure theyll avoid you too, otherwise accept the flattery or knock em out.. personal choice. Russias choice doesnt move the country forward in evoloution, just means when this regime is gone another government will have to deal with it... like really are gays destined for a prison cell... wasting resources and money.
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Read and think about what I said Jackssjay, you're either gay or stupid. Hehehehe.

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Jay wrote:
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Im as straight as an arrow, but even the Greeks and Romans screwed each other, even the arabs still enjoy man ass today. I'll share an intelligence briefing I received at original deployment to Croatia in 1992 in theatre as a Canadian rifleman, we where warned to avoid being around the Jordanian soldiers who where joining the UN effort because of their homosexual tendencies of screwing men. I thought it was a joke but it wasnt . Lets say everyday you learn something new, that day I learned I'll have my rifle at the ready, a round up the spout and the sling attatched to my forearm every time the muslim Jordanian troops come around, I was lucky we only crossed paths with Brits, French, swedes, Nepalese, and Argentinians for the most part. There will always be a small percentage of homos and canoe lickers in society just the way it is. Either accept this as existing or just avoid them like the plague, personal choice. If your not a homo im sure theyll avoid you too, otherwise accept the flattery or knock em out.. personal choice. Russias choice doesnt move the country forward in evoloution, just means when this regime is gone another government will have to deal with it... like really are gays destined for a prison cell... wasting resources and money.
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The Bible says homosexuality is an abomination, eventhough personally I believe the Bible is a load of bollocks.

Nevertheless, most people believe the Bible is the word of God, therefore, God says it's an abomination eventhough I believe God is a load of bollocks.

My premise is, if all men had been gay 1000 years ago, you would not be here now blabbering a no brainer, humanity would have been facked, humanity would be NO MORE.

Now I ask, what insane idiot is going to tell me, that IS NORMAL.
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Dimitri100 wrote:
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The Bible says homosexuality is an abomination, eventhough personally I believe the Bible is a load of bollocks.
Nevertheless, most people believe the Bible is the word of God, therefore, God says it's an abomination eventhough I believe God is a load of bollocks.
My premise is, if all men had been gay 1000 years ago, you would not be here now blabbering a no brainer, humanity would have been facked, humanity would be NO MORE.
Now I ask, what insane idiot is going to tell me, that IS NORMAL.
thats an impossibility, its like these paranoid Russians who applaud defense spending over infrastructure building over standard of life raising plans. What if the Americans attack us ooooh look under your bed for the boogey man to eh. Come on, I'm sure if leave the gays alone they'll leave you alone.

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Jay wrote:
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thats an impossibility, its like these paranoid Russians who applaud defense spending over infrastructure building over standard of life raising plans. What if the Americans attack us ooooh look under your bed for the boogey man to eh. Come on, I'm sure if leave the gays alone they'll leave you alone.
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The Bible says homosexuality is an abomination, eventhough personally I believe the Bible is a load of bollocks.
Nevertheless, most people believe the Bible is the word of God, therefore, God says it's an abomination eventhough I believe God is a load of bollocks.
My premise is, if all men had been gay 1000 years ago, you would not be here now blabbering a no brainer, humanity would have been facked, humanity would be NO MORE.
Now I ask, what insane idiot is going to tell me, that IS NORMAL

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