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Obama Announces Full Support for Gay Marriage

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It's a historic day for gay rights activists: Obama has just announced his support for gay marriage.

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“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#17071 Aug 22, 2012
Islam is just as spurious as the other religions.

There, happy?

When did the first amendment say we could not "attack" religion? Considering what many of the devout say about atheists, wiccans, pagans, etc, they really aren't in a position to whine about it
Get That Fool wrote:
Check this out....
Atheists' road signs attack faiths of Romney, Obama ahead of Democratic convention
By Mary Quinn O'Connor
Published August 22, 2012
FoxNews.com
CHARLOTTE, N.C.– Just as the city of Charlotte, N.C., gears up to host the Democratic National Convention, an atheist group is mounting a billboard campaign attacking the religious faiths of President Obama and GOP challenger Mitt Romney.
The signs, paid for by American Atheists Incorporated (AAI) and appearing along keylocal highways, include messages such as: "Christianity: Sadistic God, Useless Savior" and "Mormonism: Magic Underwear, Baptizes Dead People, Big Money, Big Bigotry." AAI President David Silverman told FoxNews.com the signs are aimed at keeping religion and politics separate as the convention gets under way Sept. 3.
"It’s never appropriate to insult another person, it’s never appropriate to disrespect another person.”
- Christian Life Center Pastor Mark Matthews
Other faiths, including Judaism and Islam, were spared because the billboards are designed to attack GOP nominee Mitt Romney, a Mormon, and President Obama, a Christian, according to AAI. They will remain up for a month, and cost Silverman's group $15,000.
"We chose Christianity and Mormonism for these billboards because those are the religious faiths of the two presumed candidates for president," said Amanda Knief, managing director for American Atheists "The president of the United States is in a position to make life-changing decisions for all Americans. We believe it is perfectly reasonable to ask whether each candidate will choose to follow his religious faith or the U.S. Constitution when making those decisions."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/22/si...
These guys are such liars and cowards...they didn't choose islam cause they don't want to be hunted down like dogs....

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#17072 Aug 22, 2012
Generally, people don't carve their own flesh into permanent scars to get attention. Cutters tend to hide their damage. There would need ot be a much greater reason to coincide with the police's claims.
RatherBeInMissouri wrote:
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Cuz.. no one ever lied to get attention before...
????

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#17073 Aug 22, 2012
Even if you think it's a trend, let's see how it differs any more than the right wing tactics:

You have people lying that their rights are being abrogated because two guys marry. You have killers assassinating doctors who provide abortions, and who are blowing up clinics. You have groups printing those doctors' names, addresses, etc on the internet and publishing the faces and license plate numbers of women who go to the clinics you haven't blown up yet.

If anything, you;re appalled that some people have adopted your own tactics. Too frigging bad. Maybe you;ve pushed some people a wee bit too far.
Get That Fool wrote:
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We got people lying about being victimized, we got nuts walking into conservative family values organizations with guns, we got people's names and addresses being released on websites because they signed petitions against ssm...your own low-down dishonest tactics is what will cost you your votes, not anything we do....

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

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#17074 Aug 23, 2012
cpeter1313 wrote:
Just like monarchy, we are not bound by that which precedes the founding of this nation.
Legal marriage is an institution of the state. There are no government rites, just contracts and laws.
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So the state created marriage? If so what year, and for what purpose? Does SSM exist without the state?

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#17075 Aug 23, 2012
Pietro Armando wrote:
So the state created marriage? If so what year, and for what purpose? Does SSM exist without the state?
A quick history lesson. Although the Bible speaks repeatedly to issues of marriage and divorce, the Western Christian Church (Catholics) basically left those matters to local law and custom. The Church offered a rite of marriage, but it wasn't a requirement and was only available to those couples who could walk in carrying living proof of the consummation of their betrothal (the priests required blessing of a relationship). Marriage was most often performed as a function of the government, after all, it was the government which kept track of who was living with whom. The Church requiring couples be married by them was actually one of the catalysts of the Protestant movement and many of the early reformers like Luther and Calvin believed that it was none of the Church's business. Some Protestant denominations wouldn't even offer a rite of marriage until much later. The Puritans for example, when they came to the new world, made it a requirement that regardless of your faith, the ONLY legally recognized marriages were those FIRST performed by governmental officials and that law remained on the books for the better part of a century.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

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#17076 Aug 23, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>A quick history lesson. Although the Bible speaks repeatedly to issues of marriage and divorce, the Western Christian Church (Catholics) basically left those matters to local law and custom. The Church offered a rite of marriage, but it wasn't a requirement and was only available to those couples who could walk in carrying living proof of the consummation of their betrothal (the priests required blessing of a relationship). Marriage was most often performed as a function of the government, after all, it was the government which kept track of who was living with whom. The Church requiring couples be married by them was actually one of the catalysts of the Protestant movement and many of the early reformers like Luther and Calvin believed that it was none of the Church's business. Some Protestant denominations wouldn't even offer a rite of marriage until much later. The Puritans for example, when they came to the new world, made it a requirement that regardless of your faith, the ONLY legally recognized marriages were those FIRST performed by governmental officials and that law remained on the books for the better part of a century.
Thanks for the history lesson, it answers, or partially answers two of the questions I asked. Does SSM exist without the state? Is there a non legally recognized ssm practice and culture?

Since: Aug 11

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#17077 Aug 23, 2012
Jane Dough wrote:
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good thing gay marriage isn't one.
See, you learned all about Baker from me, and all I learned from you is that you have nothing to offer...
didn't you just post about how silly it is to call people bigots back and forth?
I helped you and deleted it from your post so you are not so obviously a hypocrite....
you're welcome!
Baker is nonsense. There is no more fundamental right than the right to marry the person of your choice.

Since: Aug 11

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#17078 Aug 23, 2012
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Thanks for the history lesson, it answers, or partially answers two of the questions I asked. Does SSM exist without the state? Is there a non legally recognized ssm practice and culture?
Yes and Yes

“Trolls are Clueless”

Since: Dec 07

Aptos, California

#17079 Aug 23, 2012
Jane Dough wrote:
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you know you have issues when WW agrees with you...
WasteWater carries away the waste.

DISSMISSED

NEXT

Since: Aug 11

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#17080 Aug 23, 2012
LuLu Ford wrote:
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WasteWater carries away the waste.
DISSMISSED
NEXT
Correct

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

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#17081 Aug 23, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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Yes and Yes
If SSM stands alone, or without state sanction, how then is it a "fundamental right"? Do SSC marry in non legal ceremonies?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#17082 Aug 23, 2012
This country created its laws for governmentally recognized marriage. Every country does. Legal marriage is not the same as religious marriage.

No legal marriage exists without the state.
Pietro Armando wrote:
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So the state created marriage? If so what year, and for what purpose? Does SSM exist without the state?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#17083 Aug 23, 2012
Gay couples can live together without marriage, just like heteros. They can be married by any church that agrees to it. What's your question?
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Thanks for the history lesson, it answers, or partially answers two of the questions I asked. Does SSM exist without the state? Is there a non legally recognized ssm practice and culture?

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#17084 Aug 23, 2012
Pietro Armando wrote:
Thanks for the history lesson, it answers, or partially answers two of the questions I asked. Does SSM exist without the state? Is there a non legally recognized ssm practice and culture?
The first wedding for a same sex couple I attended was back in the early 80's, long before the question of legal recognition became part of the conversation again. The Metropolitan Community Church has been performing them since the late 1960's and I know of clerics who were performing such rites, without the approval of their denominations, even before that. Such formalized relationships were rare, but they have been taking place for decades. There are historical accounts of same sex marriages taking place throughout much of recorded history, in many different cultures.
Frank Rizzo

Union City, CA

#17085 Aug 23, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
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I guess this is okay with you, right?
LGBT Ohio Church Burned To The Ground In Likely Arson Hate Crime
There is little that remains of the building that had stood in South Bloomingville since 1854 after fire ravaged the historic building that housed South Bloomingville Christian Church. The external sign, some of the walls, and the bell that once was heard throughout the community is all that remains of the church run by Reverend Scott Davis since 2011.
Davis, and many in the community, suspect arson and the Ohio State Fire Marshal’s Office and Hocking County Sheriff’s Office are investigating. The Fire Marshal’s Office stated in a release that “It is very early in the investigation and an origin and cause have not yet been determined. Fire investigators spent the morning conducting interviews with witnesses and first responders; additional investigators are responding due to the size of the scene.”
At least one witness has stated that there was a man seen at the site just before the fire began.
According to Davis, it would not surprise him that this was arson. He has received death threats largely “because this is a gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender church, and people around here don’t agree with it.” The congregation has about thirty people who attend on a regular basis.
http://lezgetreal.com/2012/08/lgbt-ohio-churc...
Aren't you the one waving the ANTI-TERRORISM FLAG WHEN IT'S DONE TO THE FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL......but turn a blind eye when it's done against the GLBTQI Community?
That is definitely NOT OK! I think we should strengthen hate crime legislation even more so that sentences would be doubled. For example if you burned down a church you would get 20 years in prison. But if you burned down a GLBTQI church you would get 40 years.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#17086 Aug 23, 2012
cpeter1313 wrote:
This country created its laws for governmentally recognized marriage. Every country does. Legal marriage is not the same as religious marriage.
No legal marriage exists without the state.
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Thank you for that clarifying redundancy.

“What came 1st? Stupid or bigot”

Since: Sep 08

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#17087 Aug 23, 2012
Pietro Armando wrote:
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So the state created marriage? If so what year, and for what purpose? Does SSM exist without the state?
They created legal marriage, yes. Legal marriage is a piece of paper and fee paid to the courthouse.
Religious marriage happens in a church with a ceremony and blessing and all that.
TWO different things. Religoius marriage exists without the state, yes. Legal marriage exists without religion, otherwise athiests would be unable to get married.

Keep the 2 separate. No one is asking to get married in your church. We just want to be ALLOWED to pay the fee for that piece of paper and all the legal rights, benefits and penalties that go with it.

“You Get My Truth Here!”

Since: May 09

Nonya!

#17088 Aug 23, 2012
cpeter1313 wrote:
Islam is just as spurious as the other religions.
There, happy?
When did the first amendment say we could not "attack" religion? Considering what many of the devout say about atheists, wiccans, pagans, etc, they really aren't in a position to whine about it
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Who cares what 'you' say??? These 'cowards' need to say it...they won't though...they know better....

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#17089 Aug 23, 2012
Redundancy tends to creep in when you keep asking the same fu**ing stupid question every post.
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Thank you for that clarifying redundancy.

“You Get My Truth Here!”

Since: May 09

Nonya!

#17090 Aug 23, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
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I guess this is okay with you, right?
LGBT Ohio Church Burned To The Ground In Likely Arson Hate Crime
There is little that remains of the building that had stood in South Bloomingville since 1854 after fire ravaged the historic building that housed South Bloomingville Christian Church. The external sign, some of the walls, and the bell that once was heard throughout the community is all that remains of the church run by Reverend Scott Davis since 2011.
Davis, and many in the community, suspect arson and the Ohio State Fire Marshal’s Office and Hocking County Sheriff’s Office are investigating. The Fire Marshal’s Office stated in a release that “It is very early in the investigation and an origin and cause have not yet been determined. Fire investigators spent the morning conducting interviews with witnesses and first responders; additional investigators are responding due to the size of the scene.”
At least one witness has stated that there was a man seen at the site just before the fire began.
According to Davis, it would not surprise him that this was arson. He has received death threats largely “because this is a gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender church, and people around here don’t agree with it.” The congregation has about thirty people who attend on a regular basis.
http://lezgetreal.com/2012/08/lgbt-ohio-churc...
Aren't you the one waving the ANTI-TERRORISM FLAG WHEN IT'S DONE TO THE FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL......but turn a blind eye when it's done against the GLBTQI Community?
There's no proof this is a hate crime! Just because it's an LGBT church doesn't mean that's why it burned down...they don't even have any proof that it is arson!

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