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Obama Announces Full Support for Gay Marriage

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It's a historic day for gay rights activists: Obama has just announced his support for gay marriage.

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“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

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#26082 Jan 21, 2013
Jupiter wrote:
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The compelling reason is that consenting adults of a different sexual orientation than yours do not have the right to form a legally regocnized committed union. You have that right; they don't, which constitutes unequal rights.
I see.....and within that rational statement lies an answer. A legally recognized committed union for SSCs should be an option. There's no reason it can't be. Instead of trying to be just like husband and wife, why not focus on same sex spouses for life and the uniqueness of both male and female same sex unions. Both sides win

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

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#26083 Jan 21, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
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Would you care to demonstrate with FACTS just how SSM increases instability in straight marriage???? I'm sure NOM would be interested in your research.
"Straight marriage"? Madone! Its not straight marriage Mc Fly.... its either same sex or opposite sex. Josh Weed a self described gay Mormon man is married to a woman and they have children together. Is that a "straight" marriage? If a bisexual woman marries a man, is that a "straight" marriage?
Jane Dodo

Hoboken, NJ

#26084 Jan 21, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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"Straight marriage"? Madone! Its not straight marriage Mc Fly.... its either same sex or opposite sex. Josh Weed a self described gay Mormon man is married to a woman and they have children together. Is that a "straight" marriage? If a bisexual woman marries a man, is that a "straight" marriage?
You wrote:
"Marriage serves society by linking men, women, and their children together. Any deviations from this only serve to increase the instability of that function."

OK... have it your way:
Would you care to demonstrate with FACTS just how SSM increases instability in opposite sex marriage????
Quest

Woodford, VA

#26085 Jan 21, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Exactly! It matters not the sexual orientation of the husband and wife in the joining together and the potential to create new life.
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But the positional (or desire) to create new life is certainly NOT a requirement for legal marriage today. If it were, you would be able to make an argument that only a "man and woman" be able to marry.
You can't be suggesting creating a slew of new laws that place that requirement on only certain married couples, are you? It would have to placed on ALL married couples.
Don't you think that straight married couples (or potential married couples) would fight that just as firmly as any gay person would?
Quest

Woodford, VA

#26086 Jan 21, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
When marriage means everything, it will mean nothing.
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Illogical, of course, since no one has ever suggested it mean "everything".

Quest

Woodford, VA

#26087 Jan 21, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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...... There's no reason it can't be. Instead of trying to be just like husband and wife, why not focus on same sex spouses for life and the uniqueness of both male and female same sex unions. Both sides win
No gay couple is trying to be just like a "husband and wife". You seem a little confused. But don't worry. EACH gay person entering a marriage with another gay person of the same gender is absolutely unique, and brings their own strengths, weaknesses, and personality traits to the marriage. Their gender is not what makes them special and unique individuals.

But, the love is the same. The attraction is the same. The commitment is the same. The need for recognition is the same. The benefits and protections are the same. Their children benefit in the same way. Elderly gay married couples are more secure in the same way. Society benefits from their strong family in the same way.

Yep, it's a marriage all right!

For ALL the same reasons, save one. And that has never and WILL never be a legal requirement for any marriage.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#26088 Jan 21, 2013
Mrs-Whitewater wrote:
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How typical. Instead of staying your course and proving your argument, you turn to another and ask the same question again hoping for different results.
Jerald check mated you and your ego simply can't take the blow, so you lower yourself to calling Jerald and others names, while flailing yourself all about.
How old must one be before they realize that the tantrums they threw as children will have the same "affect" on them now as they did then: ignored. The only difference is when you have tantrums as an adult, you will not only be ignored, but people will talk about you and say, "Bless his soul" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =R3h2mOgCaiQXX
Bright Blessings,
Mrs Whitewater
Well done!
Pietro Armando

Brighton, MA

#26089 Jan 21, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
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You wrote:
"Marriage serves society by linking men, women, and their children together. Any deviations from this only serve to increase the instability of that function."
OK... have it your way:
Do u disagree with that statement?
Would you care to demonstrate with FACTS just how SSM increases instability in opposite sex marriage????
First, you are proceeding from the assumption that same sex personal intimate sexual relationships are viewed as "marriage" by the population at large. Clearly that's not the case. Second, you nor I can know the long term consequences of redefing an institution fundamental to societal stability. Third, there is a small segnent of the gay community who opposes redefining marriage because of its importance to society. Legal recognition yes, redefining marriage, no. Lastly what is the compelling need to recognize same sex relationships as marriage? Are there legions of unwed pregnant men out there? Women accidentally impregnated by sperm producing women? Why does society need two men/women to marry? What will happen if they don't?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#26090 Jan 21, 2013
Mrs-Whitewater wrote:
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Let me Help you out.
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This would be a more personal example...
"Frankie has been implicated in several vile posts with others"
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A more personal example...
No one is affected because you stomp your feet, flail your arms about and scream obscenities.
Bright Blessings,
And Happy Searching for Your Soul,
Mrs Whitewater
Aw, did I hurt your feelings Miss Thing? Good!

Jerald has admitted his grammar mistakes that you are defending, didn't you notice? Maybe try and tell him he wasn't wrong, but he knows he was. Too funny!

Save your phony "Bright Blessings", Jackass. You don't wish me "Bright Blessings", you fake.

We don't have "souls" to try and save fundie. Good luck searching for yours. When you die you're dead. If there is someone we must reckon with, what are you going to tell him when he asks about your hypocrisy and bigotry?

Hope that helps.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#26091 Jan 21, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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Well done!
No it wasn't. It was a stupid pack of lies! Jerald "checkmated" me! When was that?

Too funny!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#26092 Jan 21, 2013
Mrs-Whitewater wrote:
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How typical. Instead of staying your course and proving your argument, you turn to another and ask the same question again hoping for different results.
Jerald check mated you and your ego simply can't take the blow, so you lower yourself to calling Jerald and others names, while flailing yourself all about.
How old must one be before they realize that the tantrums they threw as children will have the same "affect" on them now as they did then: ignored. The only difference is when you have tantrums as an adult, you will not only be ignored, but people will talk about you and say, "Bless his soul" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =R3h2mOgCaiQXX
Bright Blessings,
Mrs Whitewater
Please refer us to the post where Jerald "checkmated" me.

Please refer us to the post where I threw a tantrum.

Please stop lying and stop your stupid ad hominem. I called you a jackass and hurt your feelings. Get over it. Your dopey attempts at revenge don't bother me, they're FUNNY!

Now lets get back to the topic. Why are you a hypocrite? Why do you support monogamous homosexuals but not polygamous homosexuals?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#26093 Jan 21, 2013
Jupiter wrote:
<quoted text>I think you talk out of both sides of your mouth. You apparently want marriage to mean nothing.
No I don't. I want to find the point where it's fair and equal for everyone but still means something. Why does that make you so angry?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#26094 Jan 21, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
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Gee..... ask everyone if they are alive. The answer is always yes. I guess being alive means nothing, eh?
Insert your favorite "dopey" ad hominem here:_________
Now multiply it by infinity. The result is your stupidity score.
You really can't understand that concept? WOW! You're stupid.

If marriage means everything, it will mean nothing. It's a simple concept really. I think you get it but you don't have a rebuttal so you resort to your usual M.O.- ad hominem. You don't like the concept so you call me it stupid.

Why are you against equal rights?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#26095 Jan 21, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
<quoted text>Repeating that silliness often doesn't make it any less silly. Everything=nothing? Oh wait.... you're the same person that thinks 3=2.
No. I don't think 3 = 2. I think same sex couples can have a marriage. I think 3 people can have a marriage.

I think you are a bigot. And I am not.

“Alley Cat Blues”

Since: Sep 08

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#26096 Jan 21, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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I see.....and within that rational statement lies an answer. A legally recognized committed union for SSCs should be an option. There's no reason it can't be. Instead of trying to be just like husband and wife, why not focus on same sex spouses for life and the uniqueness of both male and female same sex unions. Both sides win
Why not let them be married. Both sides win in that scenario too. Same sex couples should not have to settle for anything less than marriage.

“Alley Cat Blues”

Since: Sep 08

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#26097 Jan 21, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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No I don't. I want to find the point where it's fair and equal for everyone but still means something. Why does that make you so angry?
Who says I'm angry? Sounds like you're the angry one here.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#26098 Jan 21, 2013
Jupiter wrote:
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Who says I'm angry? Sounds like you're the angry one here.
Please skip your ad hominem and get on topic.

Tell us why "man" woman" is irrelevant in "one man one woman" but "one" isn't.

“Alley Cat Blues”

Since: Sep 08

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#26099 Jan 21, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Please skip your ad hominem and get on topic.
Tell us why "man" woman" is irrelevant in "one man one woman" but "one" isn't.
There were no ad hominem attacks in my post. As for the rest of your post, I have no idea what you're talking about. Bye.
Pietro Armando

Newton Center, MA

#26100 Jan 21, 2013
Jupiter wrote:
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Why not let them be married. Both sides win in that scenario too. Same sex couples should not have to settle for anything less than marriage.
If they, as individuals want to marry, and be treated like everybody else, then marry like everybody else. Simple as that.

Since: Aug 11

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#26101 Jan 21, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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You really can't understand that concept? WOW! You're stupid.
If marriage means everything, it will mean nothing. It's a simple concept really. I think you get it but you don't have a rebuttal so you resort to your usual M.O.- ad hominem. You don't like the concept so you call me it stupid.
Why are you against equal rights?
Marriage means nothing. It is a legal issue dummy.

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