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“Trolls are Clueless”

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#22497 Oct 12, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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According to your source, 36.75% while the top 50% pay 97.75%.
Thanks for the info. Suppose we deduct 36 from 97 and get 61. Your source shows they are not paying their fair share.
So what you are saying is the top 50% pay 61% while the top 1% pay 36.75%. That doesn't seem fair to me.

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#22498 Oct 12, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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According to your source, 36.75% while the top 50% pay 97.75%.
Thanks for the info. Suppose we deduct 36 from 97 and get 61. Your source shows they are not paying their fair share.
I keep hearing this "fair share" crap, but NO ONE that uses that mantra can tell me what their "fair share" actually is.
They also can not tell me what my "fair share" is.
How about you?
Will >you< be the first one to answer that question?

What is my fair share? Is it a certain percentage of my income, or is it a flat fee of some kind that would satisfy you that I have paid my "fair share"?
What is my "fair share"?
What is YOUR "fair share"?

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#22499 Oct 12, 2012
LuLu Ford wrote:
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So what you are saying is the top 50% pay 61% while the top 1% pay 36.75%. That doesn't seem fair to me.
What would be "fair" in those two cases?

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#22500 Oct 13, 2012
Aquarius-WY wrote:
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I keep hearing this "fair share" crap, but NO ONE that uses that mantra can tell me what their "fair share" actually is.
They also can not tell me what my "fair share" is.
How about you?
Will >you< be the first one to answer that question?
What is my fair share? Is it a certain percentage of my income, or is it a flat fee of some kind that would satisfy you that I have paid my "fair share"?
What is my "fair share"?
What is YOUR "fair share"?
Fair share is a flat tax.

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#22501 Oct 13, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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Fair share is a flat tax.
Meaning what exactly?
Meaning a flat income tax percentage across the board irregardless of income?
Meaning a flat singular set fee that is payable by any and all irregardless of income?

If you mean the former, then I agree.

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#22502 Oct 13, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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Fair share is a flat tax.
For all.

“Reality is better than truth.”

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#22503 Oct 13, 2012
People under the poverty line are barely existing; a flat-tax percentage could be the difference between living in a tenement or being homeless.
Aquarius-WY wrote:
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Meaning what exactly?
Meaning a flat income tax percentage across the board irregardless of income?
Meaning a flat singular set fee that is payable by any and all irregardless of income?
If you mean the former, then I agree.

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#22504 Oct 13, 2012
cpeter1313 wrote:
People under the poverty line are barely existing; a flat-tax percentage could be the difference between living in a tenement or being homeless.
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No problem
There already exists a poverty line that is a non-tax income level below that line.

It is the ONLY fair tax as all are taxed at the same rate, regardless of income. Not only is it the ONLY fair tax system, it also is easy to figure your taxes. Gross income x ?%= your tax amount. Simple.

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#22506 Oct 13, 2012
Chicagoan by Birth wrote:
<quoted text>For all.
That's right.

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#22507 Oct 13, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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Of course he was. He as an immature God figure.
he was a bit 'pouty' wasn't he?

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#22508 Oct 13, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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Fair share is a flat tax.
not really. even a 'flat tax' would hurt the poor and lower middle classes, while the upper middle class and upper class wouldn't even feel a pinch. i believe that an incremented tax would work if it began at 0% for the lowest earners, and gradually went up. by the time it gets into the higher reaches of middle class and up into the upper class the percentages should be enough to cause a serious difference in their available cash, bringing them down into a real world level of income. a person with a 5 million dollar a year income wouldn't miss 4 million dollars of it at all.

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#22509 Oct 14, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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That's right.
Unbelievable, you really believe all should pay tax. Welcome to the Republican Party...

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#22510 Oct 14, 2012
Chicagoan by Birth wrote:
<quoted text>Unbelievable, you really believe all should pay tax. Welcome to the Republican Party...
Nonsense. The wealthy work hard to avoid paying taxes and shift the tax burden to the ever diminishing middle-class. Where did I say tax deductions should be eliminated? I believe in a flat-tax which includes capital gains. I also believe those living below the poverty level should not be taxed.

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#22511 Oct 14, 2012
dances with weebles wrote:
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not really. even a 'flat tax' would hurt the poor and lower middle classes, while the upper middle class and upper class wouldn't even feel a pinch. i believe that an incremented tax would work if it began at 0% for the lowest earners, and gradually went up. by the time it gets into the higher reaches of middle class and up into the upper class the percentages should be enough to cause a serious difference in their available cash, bringing them down into a real world level of income. a person with a 5 million dollar a year income wouldn't miss 4 million dollars of it at all.
Interesting idea. Thanks.

“Trolls are Clueless”

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#22512 Oct 14, 2012
Obama facts.

Obama has the lowest spending record of all presidents since Eisenhower when adjusted for inflation.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/9069/has-ob...

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2012/0...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05...

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

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#22513 Oct 15, 2012
dances with weebles wrote:
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not really. even a 'flat tax' would hurt the poor and lower middle classes, while the upper middle class and upper class wouldn't even feel a pinch. i believe that an incremented tax would work if it began at 0% for the lowest earners, and gradually went up. by the time it gets into the higher reaches of middle class and up into the upper class the percentages should be enough to cause a serious difference in their available cash, bringing them down into a real world level of income. a person with a 5 million dollar a year income wouldn't miss 4 million dollars of it at all.
It is impossible to elevate the poor by dragging down the rich.
Is not the whole idea and premise of the American dream to go from rags TO riches, and not go from riches to rags?
Do you not have the whole scenario completely upside down?

There is no moral justification whatsoever to villify one group of folks and uphold another. That is NOT equality. That is intentional inequality.

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#22514 Oct 15, 2012
Chicagoan by Birth wrote:
<quoted text>Unbelievable, you really believe all should pay tax. Welcome to the Republican Party...
Why should they not?

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#22515 Oct 15, 2012
dances with weebles wrote:
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not really. even a 'flat tax' would hurt the poor and lower middle classes, while the upper middle class and upper class wouldn't even feel a pinch. i believe that an incremented tax would work if it began at 0% for the lowest earners, and gradually went up. by the time it gets into the higher reaches of middle class and up into the upper class the percentages should be enough to cause a serious difference in their available cash, bringing them down into a real world level of income. a person with a 5 million dollar a year income wouldn't miss 4 million dollars of it at all.
"should be enough to cause a serious difference in their available cash, bringing them down into a real world level of income."

Exactly how much, in annual income terms, is a "real world level of income?
25K?
30K?
50K?
100K?
125K?

EXACTLY how much fits your world view of personal annual income?

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

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#22516 Oct 15, 2012
dances with weebles wrote:
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not really. even a 'flat tax' would hurt the poor and lower middle classes, while the upper middle class and upper class wouldn't even feel a pinch. i believe that an incremented tax would work if it began at 0% for the lowest earners, and gradually went up. by the time it gets into the higher reaches of middle class and up into the upper class the percentages should be enough to cause a serious difference in their available cash, bringing them down into a real world level of income. a person with a 5 million dollar a year income wouldn't miss 4 million dollars of it at all.
"should be enough to cause a serious difference in their available cash"

WHY?
WHY do you advocate bringing others down?

Would not we be better serving the needs of the poor if we spend our time and efforts making an environment where they can pull themselves up from their poverty rather than tear others down to hand them a handout?

Your way only gives them a fish for one meal, and they are still left to wait and beg for another meal - taken from someone else.
Why not teach them to fish for their own meal so they can feed themselves from then on?

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#22517 Oct 15, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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Fair share is a flat tax.
I wonder what would happen if we did away with income tax and raised taxes on consumption. Just curious...I'm no economist.

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