The Christian case for gay marriage

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Despite the increasing number of those who hold other faiths or no faith, Christians still wield substantial influence on our nation's cultural and ethical norms.

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Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#1 Dec 4, 2012
Well worth the read, especially the last paragraph.
Chance

Grove City, PA

#2 Dec 4, 2012
These kinds of articles always ignore Romans 1, which points out that men having sex with men and women having sex with women is not only wrong but the direct result of a bad attitude toward God.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#3 Dec 4, 2012
Chance wrote:
These kinds of articles always ignore Romans 1, which points out that men having sex with men and women having sex with women is not only wrong but the direct result of a bad attitude toward God.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
All the things that are unnatural for straight people; are natural for gay people
http://etb-history-theology.blogspot.com/2012...

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Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#4 Dec 4, 2012
Chance wrote:
These kinds of articles always ignore Romans 1, which points out that men having sex with men and women having sex with women is not only wrong but the direct result of a bad attitude toward God.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Remember how *I* enjoy freedom of religion, too??? Guess what THAT means?? That means that YOU can believe whatever you want, but SO CAN I!

Guess what ALSO means!! That means that I can COMPLETELY ignore your beliefs and live my life by MY OWN beliefs.

And guess what I do! Exactly that.

And guess what else my beliefs tell me!! They tell me that people that wear their religion on their sleeve and try to force others to abide by their religious beliefs don't really believe what they profess to believe in the first place. If they did, they wouldn't have to try to force others to believe it with them.

Those that try to force others to believe as they do are the true forces of evil as they victimize those that threaten their false sense of security.

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#6 Dec 4, 2012
fr "caleb" aka DAVID MOORE FROM PEKIN IL:

>Why do you keep Spamming us with this refuted nonsense from radical homosexual hate sites?
...<

No, davy boy. YOU are the one who spams the boards, constantly, with the same garbage.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#8 Dec 4, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>Do you really think your unsupportable lies about my identity will save you on the last day?
The Bible irrefutably condemns all homosexual behavior in both Testaments and in the plainest of terms. This is not Spam. It is very relevant to the *LIE* that there is any Christian case for the horrible fraud of homosexual 'marriage.'
EVERY Bible translation, ancient Bible text, and Judeo-Christian tradition support my post.
Your attitude is exactly the reason churches aren't allowed to sell marriage licenses
.
$35 marriage licenses are sold only by clerks in county courthouses

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We do marriage right! ;o))
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#10 Dec 4, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>No truly Christian church can ever bless or affirm what God repeatedly condemns in both Testaments and in the plainest of terms:
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
No law can ever make anything homosexual into a marriage.
Homosexuals themselves have overwhelmingly rejected 'marriage' as an actual practice in EVERY country that allows it.
Homosexual 'marriage' is a cruel lie.
You'll find someone to love someday; but first you'll have to ditch the caustic attitude and let your unconditional love light shine
david traversa

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#11 Dec 4, 2012
A tragic fact, I would say.. When you base your moral standards on a book full of lies, horrible acts and ill-intentioned interpolations designed to second the prejudices of an ignorant mob the world stagnates and deteriorates.. God is just a mask many men wear..

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#12 Dec 4, 2012
The price you're going to pay for spending so much time judging others should terrify you to the center of your tiny heart.
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>No truly Christian church can ever bless or affirm what God repeatedly condemns in both Testaments and in the plainest of
Homosexual 'marriage' is a cruel lie.

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#15 Dec 4, 2012
Make all the excuses you want but you can't hide the truth, you are filled with more hate than Satan.

Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>If you feel God's Word judges you, you should ask yourself some VERY serious questions!
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."

Since: Mar 07

United States

#16 Dec 5, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>Do you really think your unsupportable lies about my identity will save you on the last day?
The Bible irrefutably condemns all homosexual behavior in both Testaments and in the plainest of terms. This is not Spam. It is very relevant to the *LIE* that there is any Christian case for the horrible fraud of homosexual 'marriage.'
EVERY Bible translation, ancient Bible text, and Judeo-Christian tradition support my post.
Hardly. Try again.

Since: Mar 07

United States

#17 Dec 5, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>No truly Christian church can ever bless or affirm what God repeatedly condemns in both Testaments and in the plainest of terms:
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
......
Interacting with you is a lot like interacting with a turnip, isn't it? it's always sad when someone is so broken that they are incapable of learning.

Your premise falls apart right here, since no Christian church supports following the Holiness Code. NOT A ONE.

You know that, but don't care. And you think witnessing for Christ? Dear, it's really called lying, isn't it?

But that's what you do, David. Lie. Judge. Spam. Drive people away from God.

It's your mission.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#21 Dec 5, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, it is very sad that you are so broken that you can't learn.
You post lies you can't support. You hate the truth. You can't support your hate. You can post hate and lies about me, but that in no way counters the truth I post.
Do you even know what a 'Holiness Code' is? Have you ever read the Bible you lie about?
It's true that there are aspects of Leviticus that have been superseded by the Mission of Jesus, but commands against homosexual behavior are not among them. They were re-emphasized in the New Testament:
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
Face reality, your homosexual lifestyle choice is open rebellion against God.
If you were a straight person you would not be interested in 'homosexual acts'; just as we gay people are not interested in 'heterosexual acts'
.
......so tell us how 'homosexual acts' affect you day-to-day?
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#23 Dec 5, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>That is not the topic here.
The fact is there is positively no 'Christian case' for homosexual 'marriage' since as demonstrated, all homosexual acts are repeatedly condemned by God in both Testaments and in unmistakable terms.
'
How do 'homosexual acts' affect you?

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#24 Dec 5, 2012
We live in America and your religion doesn't matter to me any more than a bucket of maggots. Keep your weak minded hate to yourself or pay for it in your Gods hell cause that's where your going.
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>You homofascists remind me of a little child lying on his back in the supermarket kicking his legs shouting that mommy doesn't love him because she won't buy candy to make him fat and rot his little teeth.
You can make no logical case for your horrible hate based case, so you claim anyone who disagrees with your nonsense 'hates.'
Face reality, Christianity is a Bible based religion and the Bible repeatedly condemns all homosexual behavior in the plainest of terms. If you felt good about choosing to live in open rebellion against God's many commands against homosexual acts, you wouldn't be her.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#26 Dec 5, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>If Christianity doesn't 'matter' to you, why do you obsess on posting hate and bigotry on threads dealing with Christianity?
Thanks, by the way, for proving my point about claiming anyone who differs with your horrible hate based cause 'hates.' That's certainly easier for you than trying to make a logical argument, isn't it!
Face reality, Christianity is Bible based and the Bible irrefutably and repeatedly condemns all homosexual behavior in the plainest of terms and in both Testaments.
If you felt good about choosing to live in open rebellion against God's commands against homosexual acts, you wouldn't be here posting hate.
There's no problem with Christianity. The problem comes when "christians" decide that they love their personally chosen flavor of religion SO MUCH that they should use the government to force it onto everyone else, without regard to those other people may want or believe.

You'd be screaming your head off if someone tried to tell YOU what to believe in and how to behave, right? So why do you feel it's okay to do that to other people?

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#27 Dec 5, 2012
I said "your religion", which is about as far from what Jesus taught it should put fear in your very soul. Your version of Christianity is nothing short of sheer harassment and hate. Nothing you have ever posted has anything even close to what Jesus taught. And certainly hasn't changed one persons mind all because of the hate you present and your fixation on judging others while your house is filled with filth and vermin.

You're going to pay very dearly for that eventually. You only use the bible to harass others. Shame on you and those like you.

You bring shame to every real Christian.
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>If Christianity doesn't 'matter' to you, why do you obsess on posting hate and bigotry on threads dealing with Christianity?
Thanks, by the way, for proving my point about claiming anyone who differs with your horrible hate based cause 'hates.' That's certainly easier for you than trying to make a logical argument, isn't it!
Face reality, Christianity is Bible based and the Bible irrefutably and repeatedly condemns all homosexual behavior in the plainest of terms and in both Testaments.
If you felt good about choosing to live in open rebellion against God's commands against homosexual acts, you wouldn't be here posting hate.

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#28 Dec 5, 2012
fr Caleb, aka DAVID MOORE FROM PEKIN IL:

>I have a wonderful life filled with love.
Do you consider 'unconditional love' ignoring God's many commands against all homosexual acts and therefore letting others go to eternal damnation?
That sounds more like HATE to me.<

Then, davy boy, why don't you show LOVE to other people? You and your hate-filled GARBAGE that you spew constantly is NOT love.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#30 Dec 6, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>So judging is only OK for you, hypocrite?
Your real argument isn't with me, it is with God, who repeatedly condemns your homosexual lifestyle choice in the plainest of terms and in both Testaments. You cannot logically or factually refute that reality, and it just makes you and your horrible hate based cause look pathetic to claim that anyone who differs with you 'hates.'
I've actually made few personal comments. It is the Holy Scriptures that condemn all homosexual behavior.
How does it affect you?
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#32 Dec 6, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>Do you think God will hold anyone blameless that knows the truth and lets his neighbor perish in unbelief?
Jesus said, "Love your neighbor as yourself."
Do you think it is love to watch others suffer and perish?
You're the only one suffering
.
Do you feel cheated and unloved?

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