Scalia says abortion, gay rights are easy cases

Oct 5, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Capital-Journal

In this March 8, 2012 file phoo, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia speaks at Wesleyan University in Middletown, Conn.

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Find a word other than marriage for your homosexual unions and you will have no problem getting the "rights" you think you are entitled to.

The word marriage is reserved for male and female.

If you were indeed serious about your homosexuality you would relenquish any claim to word marriage and find another word for your unions.

It's obvious that gays will never be satisfied with "equal rights" when what they really want is acceptance of their unnatural and abnormal lifestyles. If it were otherwise, they would find a word other than marriage to use for your partnerships.

Only one word, marriage, stands between gays getting what they say they want.

The word marriage is a one-way street for husband and wife who are male and female.

Otherwise y'all are just spinning your wheels and will get nowhere and always be defeated by the masses and legal consensus on the highest level where all our disputes find their ultimate resolution.

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Junior Esquire wrote:
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"Given that hundreds of thousands of children are being raised RIGHT NOW, TODAY by same-sex couples; and that there is NO EVIDENCE of any detrimental effects on these children..."
Again, "NO EVIDENCE" does not mean that there are no "detrimental effects", i'm saying that it is too early to tell.
No evidence means just that -- no evidence. Basing public policy on a lack of evidence is ridiculous.
Junior Esquire wrote:
<quoted text>"what is the legitimate governmental interest in denying to these children the exact same protections and benefits that civil marriage affords their peers being raised by opposite-sex couples?"
Back up a step. Same-sex parenting should not be happening in the first place.
So you would outlaw all parenting by same-sex couples? You would remove children from homes where same-sex partners are raising them, not only banning adoption but even in the 84% of the time where the child is the biological offspring of one of the partners?
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<quoted text> And again, don't give me your "no evidence" crap. It's too soon for the ill effects of same-sex parenting to manifest. Give it a 100 years.
Give WHAT a hundred years? You're saying ban civil marriage for same-sex couples.

A lack of evidence really is an inconvenience for your argument, isn't it? That's why you'd call it crap. I'll call your argument that, too.

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WMCOL wrote:
Find a word other than marriage for your homosexual unions and you will have no problem getting the "rights" you think you are entitled to.
The word marriage is reserved for male and female.
If you were indeed serious about your homosexuality you would relenquish any claim to word marriage and find another word for your unions.
It's obvious that gays will never be satisfied with "equal rights" when what they really want is acceptance of their unnatural and abnormal lifestyles. If it were otherwise, they would find a word other than marriage to use for your partnerships.
Only one word, marriage, stands between gays getting what they say they want.
The word marriage is a one-way street for husband and wife who are male and female.
Otherwise y'all are just spinning your wheels and will get nowhere and always be defeated by the masses and legal consensus on the highest level where all our disputes find their ultimate resolution.
There remains no rational secular basis for denying same-sex couples right to obtain a CIVIL marriage. All arguments in opposition are irrational, illogical or based on ignorance, animus, fear, or religious superstition or myth.

There is no rational secular basis for creating a "separate but equal" institution for establishing legal kinship between unrelated adults when a perfectly suitable one already exists: civil marriage.
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Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Really? You can't even decide what sex to choose in your false names, and you think others are unhinged.
so if you are unsure about your sex you are unhinged from reality?
you said it...not me...
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david traversa wrote:
<quoted text>Your limitation is called na´vetÚ..
no, its the liberal tactic of calling something they disagree with dumb and ignorant...while defending their position with their very ignorance!

its the ultimate in irony...

If we cannot all agree that a life long SUPREME COURT JUSTICE is an intelligent man...
what's the point...
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WMCOL wrote:
Find a word other than marriage for your homosexual unions and yap yap yap blah blah blah...
For the umpteen gazillionth time:

"Separate but equal" is NOT equal, and appealing to tradition is a logical fallacy.

NEXT!
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Junior Esquire wrote:
Give it a 100 years.
These people were also told by the establishment to "wait" for their civil rights:

http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Lett...

snip: "I must say to you that we have not made a single gain in civil rights without determined legal and nonviolent pressure. Lamentably, it is an historical fact that privileged groups seldom give up their privileges voluntarily....

We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. Frankly, I have yet to engage in a direct action campaign that was "well timed" in the view of those who have not suffered unduly from the disease of segregation. For years now I have heard the word "Wait!" It rings in the ear of every Negro with piercing familiarity. This "Wait" has almost always meant "Never." We must come to see, with one of our distinguished jurists, that "justice too long delayed is justice denied."

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Jerald wrote:
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There remains no rational secular basis for denying same-sex couples right to obtain a CIVIL marriage. All arguments in opposition are irrational, illogical or based on ignorance, animus, fear, or religious superstition or myth.
There is no rational secular basis for creating a "separate but equal" institution for establishing legal kinship between unrelated adults when a perfectly suitable one already exists: civil marriage.
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>>>There remains no rational secular basis for denying same-sex couples right to obtain a CIVIL marriage.<<<

Fine, just don't use the word marriage.

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Homosexuals are losing because they refuse to find a word other than marriage for their relationships. Refusal to forgo that one word blocks them from achieving the very "rights" they claim.

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WMCOL wrote:
Again, Rosa Parks was about discrimination based on skin color, an unchangeable feature, not behavior, which can be changed.
I totally disagree that a person's sexual orientation is not an immutable trait. Can you change your orientation? Notice I did not use the word 'behavior'. Gays can engage in 'straight' sex. Straights can engage in 'gay' sex. There are many 'Gay For Pay' in the porn industry.(They make more money doing gay porn than they would doing straight porn.) That does not mean that a person's sexual orientation has changed.

And to be clear on the difference between behavior and orientation, answer these questions.
Can a person be a heterosexual BEFORE engaging in heterosexual sex?
Can a person be a homosexual BEFORE engaging in homosexual sex?

I say yes to both questions. What say you?
WMCOL wrote:
As far as the law changing, I will abide by the rule-of-law. It is all that keeps the nation together, but I will strongly oppose all laws that seek to call gay unions marriage.
In Massachusetts and a few other states, the rule-of-law is that same-sex couples can be legally MARRIED.

I will strongly support the spread of marriage equality across the U.S.
WMCOL wrote:
Again, marriage is between opposite genders. That's the rule. The normal. The natural.
Not in Massachusetts and other states. And not in many other countries.
WMCOL wrote:
Any alignment between same genders by law is a special right.
Says who? Logic is not on your side. If same-sex couples are treated EXACTLY like opposite-sex couples in civil marriage, how can that ever be considered getting something 'special'? Repeating the same talking point does not make it true.

So I'll ask: Exactly what 'special right' will same-sex couples receive that opposite-sex couples cannot get if both couples are allowed civil marriage?
WMCOL wrote:
I don't care for Scalia but he is gonna have to be judged on what he does in Court and not what he says on some talk show.
Based upon his descent in the Lawrence case (2003), I could find very little legal reasoning for his position. The ultimate definition of being an 'activist' judge.

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so if you are unsure about your sex you are unhinged from reality?
you said it...not me...
Nooo..I am not the one signing in under male and female names daily, like you seem to enjoy so much. I know I am male, and have known it since day one. Just because I am not panting for the ladies does not change that fact.

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WMCOL wrote:
Homosexuals are losing because they refuse to find a word other than marriage for their relationships. Refusal to forgo that one word blocks them from achieving the very "rights" they claim.
Why does one word frighten you so much?
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Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Nooo..I am not the one signing in under male and female names daily, like you seem to enjoy so much. I know I am male, and have known it since day one. Just because I am not panting for the ladies does not change that fact.
nor am I...
I use one name...Jane Dough...
yes, its a female name...
yes, I am a male...
I find it interesting how offended people from your side are by that ...

is there a significant difference between men and women?
(Be careful, if there is, then there is a significant diference between two women and a woman and a man...)

And your name reveals your sex?
oh, right, it doesn't...
consistency?
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Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Why does one word frighten you so much?
why do you need it so much...
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why do you need it so much...
Simple..Separate is not equal.

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WMCOL wrote:
Find a word other than marriage for your homosexual unions and you will have no problem getting the "rights" you think you are entitled to.
The word marriage is reserved for male and female.
If you were indeed serious about your homosexuality you would relenquish any claim to word marriage and find another word for your unions.
It's obvious that gays will never be satisfied with "equal rights" when what they really want is acceptance of their unnatural and abnormal lifestyles. If it were otherwise, they would find a word other than marriage to use for your partnerships.
Only one word, marriage, stands between gays getting what they say they want.
The word marriage is a one-way street for husband and wife who are male and female.
Otherwise y'all are just spinning your wheels and will get nowhere and always be defeated by the masses and legal consensus on the highest level where all our disputes find their ultimate resolution.
Sorry, but not gonna have my MARRIAGE referred to as something else just because you don't like it being called what it is!!!

Our legal marriages are ENTITLED to the same rights, benefits and privileges that any other legal marriages are entitled to......plain and simple!!!
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Uve wrote:
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Simple..Separate is not equal.
so a separate license for commercial drivers is not legal?

you have different needs, so you should get a different license...
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Sorry, but not gonna have my MARRIAGE referred to as something else just because you don't like it being called what it is!!!
Our legal marriages are ENTITLED to the same rights, benefits and privileges that any other legal marriages are entitled to......plain and simple!!!
you don't think this is merely your FEELINGS?
(it is.)
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RnL2008 wrote:
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Sorry, but not gonna have my MARRIAGE referred to as something else just because you don't like it being called what it is!!!
Our legal marriages are ENTITLED to the same rights, benefits and privileges that any other legal marriages are entitled to......plain and simple!!!
"Our legal marriages are ENTITLED to the same rights, benefits and privileges that any other legal marriages are entitled to"
So you are saying that you will not take four quarters instead of a dollar bill?

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Jane Dough wrote:
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you don't think this is merely your FEELINGS?
(it is.)
Nope, not about feelings........just stating the obvious!!!

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