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Judge Taking Another Week on Ark. Gay Marriage Ruling

There are 103 comments on the EDGE story from May 2, 2014, titled Judge Taking Another Week on Ark. Gay Marriage Ruling. In it, EDGE reports that:

An Arkansas judge is taking another week before issuing a ruling in a lawsuit challenging the state's gay marriage ban.

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“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#1 May 2, 2014
Although I hope that the judge rules in our favor, it may actually be to our benefit if he rules against us, because in doing so, the case may get to SCOTUS sooner than would be the case if he comes down on our side.

I think that tide has turned in our favor on this issue quite awhile ago.
Larry

Richardson, TX

#2 May 2, 2014
I will drive across State lines to have my life fulfilled by allowing me the same equal as other couples. God Bless America and the American Way.

The US Constitution and common since. It has taken a long time. I will be glad when everyone catches on and gets up to speed with what is just right.
ANONTDH

Johnstown, PA

#3 May 2, 2014
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY

Timothy 1:10
The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching
1 Timothy 1:9-11 (in Context) 1 Timothy 1 (Whole Chapter)


1 Corinthians 6:9 Don’t you know that unrighteous people will have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don’t delude yourselves — people who engage in sex before marriage, who worship idols, who engage in sex after marriage with someone other than their spouse, who engage in active or passive homosexuality,
1 Corinthians 6:8-10 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 6 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations

Leviticus 18:22 “Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin.
Leviticus 18:21-23 (in Context) Leviticus 18 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations

Leviticus 20:13 “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.
Leviticus 20:12-14 (in Context) Leviticus 20 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations

Revelation 22:15 Outside are the homosexuals, those involved with the occult and with drugs, the sexually immoral, murderers, idol-worshippers, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
Revelatio n 22:14-16 (in Context) Revelation 22 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations

Deuteronomy 23:18 “No woman of Isra’el is to engage in ritual prostitution, and no man of Isra’el is to engage in ritual homosexual prostitution.
Deuter onomy 23:17-19 (in Context) Deuteronomy 23 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations

Deuteronomy 23:19 Nothing earned through heterosexual or homosexual prostitution is to be brought into the house of Adonai your God in fulfillment of any vow, for both of these are abhorrent to Adonai your God.
Deuteronomy 23:18-20 (in Context) Deuteronomy 23 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations

Romans 1-26-32
26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.
28 Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. 29 Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. 30 They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. 31 They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. 32 They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too
NdiliMfumu

Westbury, NY

#4 May 2, 2014
The Arkansas judge will surely rule in the same way as have 10 other federal courts in the past 6 months: namely, in favor of the fundamental constitutional right of ALL mutually consenting, competent adult couples to marry, irrespective of the sex or the sexual orientations of the marital partners.

There has already been a federal appellate court case holding that LGBT people do not hav a constitutional right to marry, see, Citizens for Equal Protection v. Bruning (8CA 2006). So, getting the US Supreme Court is a no-brainer.

It's likely that the 10CA will rule in the case of Kitchen v. Herbert from Utah within the next month. That case, the Sevcik v. Sandoval case from the 9CA, and the Bostic v. Schaeffer case from the 4CA are the ones most likely to arrive at the US Supreme Court together for its Oct. 2014 term. All other appellate cases will be stayed pending the outcome of those Supreme Court petitions, which will definitively resolve the issue of the LGBT community's right to marry the one we love, and no later than June 2015.
NdiliMfumu

Westbury, NY

#5 May 2, 2014
ANONTDH wrote:
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY
Unfortunately for you, your wholesale copy and paste from the notoriously corrupt translation provided by the NIV Bible serves you not at all.

The ORIGINAL AND TRUE Bible NEVER MENTIONS the word "homosexuality". Why?

Because the word "homosexuality" and the CONCEPT that it embodies are creations of the 19th century, not the 1st century or at any point between then and the 19th century.

In fact, the entire fields of psychology and neurology did not exist prior to the 19th century. Even in the 18 century, let alone thousands of years before then, Mankind viewed the mind as synonymous with the soul and the spirit, and had no understanding of healthy psychological functioning or mental disease, as such. The ancients, most particularly, never understood the fundaments which drive human behavior and viewed everything negative that occurred in a person's life as, somehow, the work of "spirits" or "the Devil".

As to the REAL text of the Bible, look it up in the King James Version published in 1608 CE or so, where the text is unperverted by reference to "homosexuality" (again, the word didn't exist, then).

You will read that the story of Sodom and Gomorrah was about the INHOSPITALITY of the townpeople to Log and his guests.

You will read that the ancient Jews disliked anal receptive intercourse among adult men (but not between men and their wives, or between men and teenage boys) because they wrongly believed that anal sex would weaken and effeminize a man, making him useless as a warrior in the defense of the nation (see, Lev. 18:24-25).

You will read that St. Paul railed against promiscuity, prostitution and leading a dissolute life in his epistles (i.e., Romans and Corinthians, but not Timothy, which was written by his disciples and after his death). On the other hand, you will not read any comment by Paul against homosexuality (something he knew nothing about), or against the marriages of men or of women (something he certainly knew of, having been a Hellinistic Jew, steeped in Roman and Greek culture, and a son of Rome).

More importantly, you will never read of Jesus having had a hard word for anyone on the basis of their sexual orientation, nor on the basis of being a man who loved men, or a woman who loved women. Jesus, while he presumably could have instructed the entire world in every aspect of human sexuality, said precisely NOTHING about it! Apparently, he had had much more important things to be talking about !
John

Austin, TX

#6 May 2, 2014
It is strange how the debate on same-sex marriage (SSM) has evolved in the US and Europe. The conventional wisdom is that the argument for SSM is based on science and the argument against is based on religion. In fact, the opposite is true.

Natural observation leads to the conclusion that heterosexuality is ubiquitous in the natural world, as species were designed by evolution to have two sexes that mate with each other, with homosexual acts usually being the result of mistake or part of a message of a dominant animal to a submissive one not to mate. It is extremely rare for non-human animals to prefer the same sex and to knowing act on that preference (Bonobo chimpanzees are often bisexual, rarely homosexual, while the robust chimpanzees, who much more closely resemble humans in behavior, are rarely either). Also, virtually all pre-agricultural societies that have been encountered in the last few centuries had very low rates of homosexual men and women and, related to that, had division of labor by gender as the sexes were understood to be different and complementary.

In large modern societies, which were rife with abuse of the weak by the strong because of the lack of emotional connection between all the group members that had inhibited and limited such abuse in small groups, an idea developed, mostly promoted by Christianity in Western societies, that became popular because it appeared to strengthen societies. It was the idea that each human had equal value, an idea that resulted in better overall treatment of the majority of people which led to a significant increase in their productivity, making the society wealthier and more able to expand and defend itself. This equality does not mean that people have the same attributes or abilities or the same potential to develop various skills, but that we are all better off if we assume that each individual has equal value to the society and that we should form social policies based on that assumption.

This assumption of equal value has had many repercussions, including the outlawing of slavery (eventually) and polygamy and the provision of universal education. However, the SSM movement uses an inappropriately expansive interpretation of equality, one that has taken on a quasi-religious quality in the West, probably in part because of its Judeo-Christian origins, but also in part because of its support by New Age religions – an equality between the sexes and between different sexual orientations and sexual behaviors that ignores obvious physical and behavioral differences, the history of human evolution, and the importance of recognizing the complementary nature of the sexes in creating a harmonious, stable, and sustainable society. Evolution spent many millions of years ensuring that men and women were not interchangeable, not equipped the same propensities to develop particular skills or desires, but had different roles to play and were complementary in sex and in general behavior. But SSM ignores this and rests on this quasi-religious, or New Age religious, idea of blind equality, and yet its supporters have the audacity to claim that its opponents are blinded by religion.

Also, it is quite ironic that the elites who most support this quasi-religious equality movement want to reduce every type of inequality except for financial inequality, which they plan to increase without limit as they turn the common people into equal, disposable corporate robots.
Robert

Suwanee, GA

#7 May 2, 2014
Sadly, some people think of the Bible as God's Words, and oddly, if you take these words to be God's Words, (and much of the Bible), the argument is easily made that God is a narcissistic jerk. Best to approach the Bible in a non-literal way if you want it to be more useful, and more affirming, In any case, it has to be cherry-picked, as Thomas Jefferson so nicely approached it.
Nigel Ciera

Mesa, AZ

#8 May 2, 2014
Oh, how stupid are people. "God Bless America"? Since when does God like gay men? How do two people create a human being?
Take a man's sperm and fertilize woman's egg!
Rick Saintpornum

Philadelphia, PA

#9 May 2, 2014
These uneducated, talibangelical, armchair mullahs still think we make laws based on buybull babble.

Of course, they may still believe in their buybull babble.(But they don't get to be CEO of Mozilla, of course....)
yeson8

Indio, CA

#10 May 2, 2014
pretty simple.... No!..... U can't get married...
Rick Saintpornum

Philadelphia, PA

#11 May 2, 2014
yeson8 wrote:
pretty simple.... No!..... U can't get married...
Except throughout the Western world including in about a third of the US. Apart from that you're as correct as usual. Which is to say not correct, Cletus.

In fact, your denial is clinical. That's what makes it funny.
Geno

Overland Park, KS

#12 May 2, 2014
How about the Book of Geno 17:32 "I don't give a flying flock about this superstitious fundamentalist fecal matter"?
IoanPueblo

United States

#13 May 3, 2014
yeson8 wrote:
pretty simple.... No!..... U can't get married...
Actually, in 17 states, a same sex couple can be legally married, and we won't stop until it's all 50. How does a same sex couple marrying affect your life anyhow?
gothumpyourbible elsewhere

Laurel, MD

#14 May 3, 2014
Lets believe and read into something written a billion plus years ago and by who? no one knows! 1 book cannot and will not dictate how one should spend theyre life and surely cannot decide in courts etc who deserves to live a certain way. YOUR STUPID GET A LIFE !#thatsall
ANONTDH wrote:
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY
Timothy 1:10
The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching
1 Timothy 1:9-11 (in Context) 1 Timothy 1 (Whole Chapter)
1 Corinthians 6:9 Don’t you know that unrighteous people will have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don’t delude yourselves — people who engage in sex before marriage, who worship idols, who engage in sex after marriage with someone other than their spouse, who engage in active or passive homosexuality,
1 Corinthians 6:8-10 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 6 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Leviticus 18:22 “Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin.
Leviticus 18:21-23 (in Context) Leviticus 18 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Leviticus 20:13 “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.
Leviticus 20:12-14 (in Context) Leviticus 20 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Revelation 22:15 Outside are the homosexuals, those involved with the occult and with drugs, the sexually immoral, murderers, idol-worshippers, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
Revelatio n 22:14-16 (in Context) Revelation 22 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Deuteronomy 23:18 “No woman of Isra’el is to engage in ritual prostitution, and no man of Isra’el is to engage in ritual homosexual prostitution.
Deuter onomy 23:17-19 (in Context) Deuteronomy 23 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Deuteronomy 23:19 Nothing earned through heterosexual or homosexual prostitution is to be brought into the house of Adonai your God in fulfillment of any vow, for both of these are abhorrent to Adonai your God.
Deuteronomy 23:18-20 (in Context) Deuteronomy 23 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Romans 1-26-32
26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.
28 Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. 29 Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. 30 They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. 31 They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. 32 They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too
Patrick

Northampton, MA

#15 May 3, 2014
Oh goodie, you've read YOUR book of nonsense..now go write your book report, and don't leave anything out..
ANONTDH wrote:
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY
Timothy 1:10
The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching
1 Timothy 1:9-11 (in Context) 1 Timothy 1 (Whole Chapter)
1 Corinthians 6:9 Don’t you know that unrighteous people will have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don’t delude yourselves — people who engage in sex before marriage, who worship idols, who engage in sex after marriage with someone other than their spouse, who engage in active or passive homosexuality,
1 Corinthians 6:8-10 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 6 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Leviticus 18:22 “Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin.
Leviticus 18:21-23 (in Context) Leviticus 18 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Leviticus 20:13 “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.
Leviticus 20:12-14 (in Context) Leviticus 20 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Revelation 22:15 Outside are the homosexuals, those involved with the occult and with drugs, the sexually immoral, murderers, idol-worshippers, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
Revelatio n 22:14-16 (in Context) Revelation 22 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Deuteronomy 23:18 “No woman of Isra’el is to engage in ritual prostitution, and no man of Isra’el is to engage in ritual homosexual prostitution.
Deuter onomy 23:17-19 (in Context) Deuteronomy 23 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Deuteronomy 23:19 Nothing earned through heterosexual or homosexual prostitution is to be brought into the house of Adonai your God in fulfillment of any vow, for both of these are abhorrent to Adonai your God.
Deuteronomy 23:18-20 (in Context) Deuteronomy 23 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Romans 1-26-32
26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.
28 Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. 29 Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. 30 They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. 31 They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. 32 They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#16 May 3, 2014
ANONTDH wrote:
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY
Timothy 1:10
1 Corinthians 6:9
Leviticus 18:22
Leviticus 20:13
Revelation 22:15
Deuteronomy 23:18
Deuteronomy 23:19
Romans 1-26-32
You must follow another religious book than my religious documents. I could not find anything comming close to these in MY religious texts.
Jesus

Anaheim, CA

#17 May 3, 2014
Do you stone to death your neighbors who work on the sabbath? Do you eat shellfish? Do you cut your hair? Do you wear two different fabrics at the same time? If you don't follow the Bible's words to a tee you are an abomination to God and will go to hell. Look to thyself first.
Mojo

Naturita, CO

#18 May 3, 2014
Take your bible and shove it! It has no place in deciding this issue and all religious forums need to be dismissed as this is a LICENSE that is being fought for and the government has made themselves the issuers of these documents and that is ALL that is at stake here!
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#19 May 3, 2014
John wrote:
It is strange how the debate on same-sex marriage (SSM) has evolved in the US and Europe. The conventional wisdom is that the argument for SSM is based on science and the argument against is based on religion. In fact, the opposite is true.
Natural observation leads to the conclusion that heterosexuality is ubiquitous in the natural world, as species were designed by evolution to have two sexes that mate with each other, with homosexual acts usually being the result of mistake or part of a message of a dominant animal to a submissive one not to mate. It is extremely rare for non-human animals to prefer the same sex and to knowing act on that preference (Bonobo chimpanzees are often bisexual, rarely homosexual, while the robust chimpanzees, who much more closely resemble humans in behavior, are rarely either). Also, virtually all pre-agricultural societies that have been encountered in the last few centuries had very low rates of homosexual men and women and, related to that, had division of labor by gender as the sexes were understood to be different and complementary.
In large modern societies, which were rife with abuse of the weak by the strong because of the lack of emotional connection between all the group members that had inhibited and limited such abuse in small groups, an idea developed, mostly promoted by Christianity in Western societies, that became popular because it appeared to strengthen societies. It was the idea that each human had equal value, an idea that resulted in better overall treatment of the majority of people which led to a significant increase in their productivity, making the society wealthier and more able to expand and defend itself. This equality does not mean that people have the same attributes or abilities or the same potential to develop various skills, but that we are all better off if we assume that each individual has equal value to the society and that we should form social policies based on that assumption.
This assumption of equal value has had many repercussions, including the outlawing of slavery (eventually) and polygamy and the provision of universal education. However, the SSM movement uses an inappropriately expansive interpretation of equality, one that has taken on a quasi-religious quality in the West, probably in part because of its Judeo-Christian origins, but also in part because of its support by New Age religions – an equality between the sexes and between different sexual orientations and sexual behaviors that ignores obvious physical and behavioral differences, the history of human evolution, and the importance of recognizing the complementary nature of the sexes in creating a harmonious, stable, and sustainable society. Evolution spent many millions of years ensuring that men and women were not interchangeable, not equipped the same propensities to develop particular skills or desires, but had different roles to play and were complementary in sex and in general behavior. But SSM ignores this and rests on this quasi-religious, or New Age religious, idea of blind equality, and yet its supporters have the audacity to claim that its opponents are blinded by religion.
Also, it is quite ironic that the elites who most support this quasi-religious equality movement want to reduce every type of inequality except for financial inequality, which they plan to increase without limit as they turn the common people into equal, disposable corporate robots.
So much incorrect information in one post. No wonder Republicans and fundies are anti-education.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#20 May 3, 2014
ANONTDH wrote:
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY
Timothy 1:10
The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching
1 Timothy 1:9-11 (in Context) 1 Timothy 1 (Whole Chapter)
1 Corinthians 6:9 Don’t you know that unrighteous people will have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don’t delude yourselves — people who engage in sex before marriage, who worship idols, who engage in sex after marriage with someone other than their spouse, who engage in active or passive homosexuality,
1 Corinthians 6:8-10 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 6 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Leviticus 18:22 “Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin.
Leviticus 18:21-23 (in Context) Leviticus 18 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Leviticus 20:13 “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.
Leviticus 20:12-14 (in Context) Leviticus 20 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Revelation 22:15 Outside are the homosexuals, those involved with the occult and with drugs, the sexually immoral, murderers, idol-worshippers, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
Revelatio n 22:14-16 (in Context) Revelation 22 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Deuteronomy 23:18 “No woman of Isra’el is to engage in ritual prostitution, and no man of Isra’el is to engage in ritual homosexual prostitution.
Deuter onomy 23:17-19 (in Context) Deuteronomy 23 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Deuteronomy 23:19 Nothing earned through heterosexual or homosexual prostitution is to be brought into the house of Adonai your God in fulfillment of any vow, for both of these are abhorrent to Adonai your God.
Deuteronomy 23:18-20 (in Context) Deuteronomy 23 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Romans 1-26-32
26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.
28 Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. 29 Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. 30 They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. 31 They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. 32 They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too
The Authorized King James Bible does not contain the following words:
.
*homosexual
*sodomy
*sex
*trinity
*savior
*salvation
*Christianity
.
So keep your hissy-fits to yourself

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