Parents of Transgender Kids Are Criminals, And Other Right Wing Lunacies

There are 12 comments on the Queerty story from Jul 20, 2013, titled Parents of Transgender Kids Are Criminals, And Other Right Wing Lunacies. In it, Queerty reports that:

Parents who are OK with their transgender kids should be investigated for criminal wrongdoing.

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Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#1 Jul 20, 2013
Does anyone have this on tape? Cause it sounds like the "Red Meat" that democrats toss to the true believers. Anyway, we know it's hogwash. Most Republicans (And Democrats) either know a Gay person or have one in the family. They probably don't like it, but they're not ready to accept criminal charges over it. BTW There's quite a few Gay republicans too! They aren't all democrats!
Regards, Terri
Roland

UK

#2 Jul 21, 2013
Any parent that allows their kid to turn gay should be brought up on criminal charges.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#3 Jul 21, 2013
Oh, it's just Matt Barber, he went over the deep end ages ago, he's barely taken seriously by the anti-gay set. He's just good for outrageous copy these days, folk never actually listened to him much anyways. On the plus side, the louder these loons honk their paranoia and hate, the sooner this will be over.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#6 Jul 21, 2013
Actually he's (Barber) not entirely wrong. Heretical as it may seem, I think he got a very small point. I almost agree with his anger(?) at accepting a very young child's word for it. How many children do change their minds over things like this. I believe life would be a lot easier without this uninvited dilemma, for me and most others. No one can say I didn't try to live without it, I did! It was constant and unrelenting and I only reached a tipping point when I had my stroke. However, I lived through it and had many good experiences because I did not Transition. I would say allow some degree of transition. Don't disparage it or their choice, but don't do anything permanent. Allow either choice. See what happens. There are some who will ultimately reject it. And there are those who will still desire it. Sort them out! But taking their word for it at age six or eight, they're not sure of anything. I would have been able to discern my parents wishes and answer accordingly. Give them a little time.
Regards, Terri

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#7 Jul 21, 2013
To not accept a young child's word for who they are and what they are feeling about that is what seems to be abusive. They know far better what their mind and body is telling them than those around them. Parents should be consulting with professionals on the best way through what their child is undergoing, not pretending that it isn't really happening.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#8 Jul 22, 2013
TerryE wrote:
Actually he's (Barber) not entirely wrong. Heretical as it may seem, I think he got a very small point. I almost agree with his anger(?) at accepting a very young child's word for it. How many children do change their minds over things like this......
Actually, when it comes to this, very few children have the belief that they are a different gender than the one they appear to be. Why would they?

Unless there is something more going on.

I think that transgender adults are probably the best folks to go to for guidance in these matters, since forcing a girl to be a boy, or visa-versa doesn't seem like a healthy option, either.

I can't imagine the turmoil a loving parent must go through in this situation, but, THEY and their child are the ones living it, not us. All anyone could do here is get the best and most recent medical and psychological advice possible, and then go with your instincts, while constantly gauging the results of your choices by the health and happiness of your child.

And that's what the parents in question did, here. As far as we know.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#9 Jul 22, 2013
Ticheba! How many would recognize that name? She was the one who touched off the Salem witch trials in which young girls believed that they were possessed by demons. I shouldn't have tell you the outcome of these girl's false beliefs. Then there's the case, also in Mass., of the "witch hunts" of sexual abuse in the 1980s. In which the children said there was an evil clown who took them down to tunnels underground and abused them. All Fantasy! But there is a man in prison for the rest of his life for supposedly doing those things. And the state of Mass. will not relent and release him. "But Children never lie!" No, but they do imagine and they imagine all sorts of things. What child didn't want to be a Fireman, police man, Doctor, Cowboy, GI Joe, or some other figure for a week or two. Very Very few of these childhood ambitions ever work out. A child who declares that he or she is the opposite sex may have perfectly good reasons for saying such a thing, but those reasons aren't what you think they are!
Regards, Terri
Quest wrote:
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Actually, when it comes to this, very few children have the belief that they are a different gender than the one they appear to be. Why would they?
Unless there is something more going on.
I think that transgender adults are probably the best folks to go to for guidance in these matters, since forcing a girl to be a boy, or visa-versa doesn't seem like a healthy option, either.
I can't imagine the turmoil a loving parent must go through in this situation, but, THEY and their child are the ones living it, not us. All anyone could do here is get the best and most recent medical and psychological advice possible, and then go with your instincts, while constantly gauging the results of your choices by the health and happiness of your child.
And that's what the parents in question did, here. As far as we know.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#10 Jul 22, 2013
Google Gerard Amirault Massachusettspreschool1980s Also McMartin and see just how suggestible we are
Regards, Terri

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#11 Jul 22, 2013
TerryE wrote:
Ticheba! How many would recognize that name? She was the one who touched off the Salem witch trials in which young girls believed that they were possessed by demons. I shouldn't have tell you the outcome of these girl's false beliefs. Then there's the case, also in Mass., of the "witch hunts" of sexual abuse in the 1980s. In which the children said there was an evil clown who took them down to tunnels underground and abused them. All Fantasy! But there is a man in prison for the rest of his life for supposedly doing those things. And the state of Mass. will not relent and release him. "But Children never lie!" No, but they do imagine and they imagine all sorts of things. What child didn't want to be a Fireman, police man, Doctor, Cowboy, GI Joe, or some other figure for a week or two. Very Very few of these childhood ambitions ever work out. A child who declares that he or she is the opposite sex may have perfectly good reasons for saying such a thing, but those reasons aren't what you think they are!
Regards, Terri
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First, her name was Tituba, not Tichiba, second the demon possession is and was very much a part of the teachings that were expressed there.
Second, that, took them to a tunnel underground and abused them, was Stephen King and the movie/book "It", not reality, many people were convicted during the "Satanic Panic", most convictions came from "regression therapy", during which people were hypnotised and "led" through a process that actually implanted "false memories", some of which were later debunked.
Third, if you cannot tell the difference in a common childhood fantasy fixation which involves various "neat" occupations to a child's adamant insistence that they are indeed the opposite gender odds are that you shouldn't be a Parent. The people who dismiss those claims are also the ones who dismiss the child who reports inappropriate touching, we all know how that works out.
Regard this.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#12 Jul 22, 2013
And BTW, Gay "Republicans" are simply GOP Lapdogs, not representative of any majority of LGBT. Far more LGBT are Libertarians than they are Republicans.

“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#16 Jul 22, 2013
In the Navajo culture, there is a much more complex gender system than the binary dichotomy we find in Western culture. There are actually five different genders in the Navajo culture, which can be defined as follows as found in the blog Trans Bodies Across The Globe, run by Department of Gender Studies, Indiana University Bloomington:

1. Woman: the primacy gender of the Navajo is asdzaan, meaning woman. The female gender is primary in Navajo origin stories, and it is considered to be the most important gender.

2. Man: the next gender is hastiin (man).
3. Nadleeh: the third gender category is nadleeh/transgender. Nadleeh is a Navajo term, and transgender is a Western term. Western definitions of transgendered people have been applied to Nadleeh. The Navajo view nadleeh as individuals who demonstrate characteristics of the opposite gender. Individuals who identify as nadleeh are further classified as female-bodied nadleeh or male-bodied nadleeh. The third gender category of nadleeh reflects the Navajo tradition of accepting gender diversity and rejecting the concept of gender dysphoria or a dyadic system of gender.
4. Masculine female: the fourth gender category is masculine female, or female-bodied nadleeh. Navajo culture views masculine females separate from other female-bodied people because their role in society is different from primary gender women. Today, masculine females occupy some roles usually associated with men. Historically, female-boded nadleeh had specific ceremonial roles.
5. Feminine male: the fifth gender is the feminine male, or male-bodied nadleeh. Feminine males identify with gender diversity, and they typically performed work also performed by women.

What is really interesting, and admirable about the gender system with the Navajo's is how inclusive it is of an array of different gender identities. It allows for the expression of different combinations of sex and gender roles, and has specific value to each one. Perhaps the Western world would benefit from moving towards a Navajo viewpoint, which values each of its members regardless of their sexual and gender identity, finding a special place in society for all of its members.

http://navajonationiculture.blogspot.com/2013...

“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#17 Jul 22, 2013
a different cultural perspective on GLBTI

Two Spirit People
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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