Idiocy is not a First Amendment offense

Idiocy is not a First Amendment offense

There are 48 comments on the The Baltimore Sun story from Jan 5, 2014, titled Idiocy is not a First Amendment offense. In it, The Baltimore Sun reports that:

Still, relying upon my First Amendment right to freedom of speech, I will make a few observations about Phil Robertson, the grizzled Louisiana duck hunter turned reality TV star whose comments about black and gay people recently got him suspended -- and then unsuspended -- by A&E.

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Since: Jan 08

Thailand

#1 Jan 5, 2014
Excellent article! Should be required reading in Louisiana... for those that can read.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#2 Jan 5, 2014
Idiocy is a lifestyle promoted by the tea partiers who proudly eschew empirical information and logical reasoning in deference to accepting their propaganda purely on faith. Idiocy is a degree of limited mental ability, not a criminal offense. However, hiding behind "first amendment rights" to exploit idiocy by intentionally misleading those most susceptible is clearly abusive and decidedly morally reprehensible. Consider the case of force-feeding children creationism, misrepresented as a valid alternative to science, hence condemning yet another generation to suffer ignorance if they are not capable of critically evaluating what they are being taught.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#3 Jan 5, 2014
kuda wrote:
Consider the case of force-feeding children creationism, misrepresented as a valid alternative to science, hence condemning yet another generation to suffer ignorance if they are not capable of critically evaluating what they are being taught.
Consider the case of force-feeding children in public elementary schools the untruth that homosexuality is "just another kind of love" and that homosexual couples are just another kind of normal couple. Consider that when these gay activists can, they will do this without the knowledge or approval of the parents involved. Unfortunately, children this young tend to believe what the authority figure is telling them, they haven't yet developed the skills necessary to decide for themselves. They tend to believe it until the parent becomes aware.
Chance

Grove City, PA

#4 Jan 5, 2014
Must be a slow news day in Miami and Gayland, too,
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#5 Jan 5, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Consider the case of force-feeding children in public elementary schools the untruth that homosexuality is "just another kind of love" and that homosexual couples are just another kind of normal couple. Consider that when these gay activists can, they will do this without the knowledge or approval of the parents involved. Unfortunately, children this young tend to believe what the authority figure is telling them, they haven't yet developed the skills necessary to decide for themselves. They tend to believe it until the parent becomes aware.
Exactly. Homophobia is a learned fear. Children are fine with it until adults intervene to teach them to hate homosexuality, even if they are themselves GLBT. Of course, the same thing happens to transmit racism from one generation to the next. Children are naively accepting until they are taught to hate. It's beyond sad, really.

Hence it is completely unnecessary to force feed children that homosexuality is "just another kind of love" and that homosexual couples are just another kind of normal couple. That all comes to them naturally because love is natural and it's natural to marry the person you love.

“Take Topix Back From Trolls”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#6 Jan 5, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Consider the case of force-feeding children in public elementary schools the untruth that homosexuality is "just another kind of love" and that homosexual couples are just another kind of normal couple. Consider that when these gay activists can, they will do this without the knowledge or approval of the parents involved. Unfortunately, children this young tend to believe what the authority figure is telling them, they haven't yet developed the skills necessary to decide for themselves. They tend to believe it until the parent becomes aware.
Thank you for your opinion. Please get back to us when your oxygen level returns to normal after you pull your head out of your ass.

Since: Feb 10

Woodstock, Illinois

#7 Jan 5, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Consider the case of force-feeding children in public elementary schools the untruth that homosexuality is "just another kind of love" and that homosexual couples are just another kind of normal couple. Consider that when these gay activists can, they will do this without the knowledge or approval of the parents involved. Unfortunately, children this young tend to believe what the authority figure is telling them, they haven't yet developed the skills necessary to decide for themselves. They tend to believe it until the parent becomes aware.
There was a time when white people taught their children that black people were inferior and not whole people. Today, most realize how wrong it was to teach such bigotry and hate. We are now realizing that the same applies to those who were taught the type of bigotry you spout. Soon, all people will look back on those like you and wonder how such density of mind could exist.
Responsibility

Petaluma, CA

#8 Jan 5, 2014
Right now, let me offer the promised observations about Mr. Robertson: Man really needs to wake up and smell the 21st century.

As the article states, the duckman is backward thinking. Even stranger is when he talks about body parts. Perhaps those were discussed in the bibble?
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#9 Jan 5, 2014
TomInElPaso wrote:
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Thank you for your opinion. Please get back to us when your oxygen level returns to normal after you pull your head out of your ass.
It may help to remember that bigots learned to bigots when they were victimized into it during their own childhood. We tend to feel sorry for victimized children, but angry with them once they become bigoted adults. Everyone is somebody's child.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#10 Jan 5, 2014
kuda wrote:
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Exactly. Homophobia is a learned fear. Children are fine with it until adults intervene to teach them to hate homosexuality, even if they are themselves GLBT. Of course, the same thing happens to transmit racism from one generation to the next. Children are naively accepting until they are taught to hate. It's beyond sad, really.
Hence it is completely unnecessary to force feed children that homosexuality is "just another kind of love" and that homosexual couples are just another kind of normal couple. That all comes to them naturally because love is natural and it's natural to marry the person you love.
Your use of the word 'homophobia' to describe 'fear' is inaccurate. Children aren't fine with 'it', they don't know about 'it' and they shouldn't be taught anything about it in a public elementary school classroom. It's not natural for a man to marry a man or for a woman to marry a woman. If you feel it changes your love for another person in any way then you go ahead and do it. No one cares, stop trying to make people care, it's counterproductive.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#11 Jan 5, 2014
TomInElPaso wrote:
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Thank you for your opinion. Please get back to us when your oxygen level returns to normal after you pull your head out of your ass.
Heads up asses is a gay thing, I'm not gay.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#14 Jan 5, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Your use of the word 'homophobia' to describe 'fear' is inaccurate. Children aren't fine with 'it', they don't know about 'it' and they shouldn't be taught anything about it in a public elementary school classroom. It's not natural for a man to marry a man or for a woman to marry a woman. If you feel it changes your love for another person in any way then you go ahead and do it. No one cares, stop trying to make people care, it's counterproductive.
If not taught the facts of life; kids will grow up to be like you

“Take Topix Back From Trolls”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#15 Jan 5, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Heads up asses is a gay thing, I'm not gay.
Perhaps you're not but your grandchild may be. How you gonna cope? Kill yourself?

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#16 Jan 5, 2014
Dubya wrote:
Excellent article! Should be required reading in Louisiana... for those that can read.
I am sick of this controversy too, but from the other side of the coin. This guy is worthless and how many people really are interested in shooting waterfowl?(Unlike a deer, they don't even provide long term sustenance.) So why should the media, including the GLBT media, lavish such attention on him? He is not the person who is most likely to inflame gay bashers. That work is generally done by their parents and by religious organizations,

When we pay such attention to the homophobia of sorry ass losers like him and less to the homophobia of countries and institutions, we do our own community a disservice,

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#17 Jan 5, 2014
kuda wrote:
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Exactly. Homophobia is a learned fear. Children are fine with it until adults intervene to teach them to hate homosexuality, even if they are themselves GLBT. Of course, the same thing happens to transmit racism from one generation to the next. Children are naively accepting until they are taught to hate. It's beyond sad, really.
Hence it is completely unnecessary to force feed children that homosexuality is "just another kind of love" and that homosexual couples are just another kind of normal couple. That all comes to them naturally because love is natural and it's natural to marry the person you love.
Nicely stated and worth repeating:-)

Kids repeat what they hear at home, so if the parents make comments regarding homosexuality and it's negative......then the kids will repeat that and see nothing wrong with it.....plain and simple, BUT if they are taught to accept others for who they are......then kids will see it for what it is, just another aspect of our diversified society and it WON'T make them curious to try it out because that's NOT how it works, one's sexual orientation is innate and does NOT change no matter how hard one wants it to, it is what it is:-)
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#18 Jan 5, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Your use of the word 'homophobia' to describe 'fear' is inaccurate. Children aren't fine with 'it', they don't know about 'it' and they shouldn't be taught anything about it in a public elementary school classroom. It's not natural for a man to marry a man or for a woman to marry a woman. If you feel it changes your love for another person in any way then you go ahead and do it. No one cares, stop trying to make people care, it's counterproductive.
Where to begin? Your post is so pregnant.

First, I suppose, is that it's not counterproductive, but absolutely necessary to educate people in order to counter the effect of those who campaign to proselytize fear and hatred and to restrict the civil liberties of GLBT and other minorities.

Secondly then, it is precisely fear that drives homophobia. It is generally taboo in our culture for men to show, or even feel, affection for other men. Therein lies the rub. Men do feel affection for other men and that frightens them enough to act out against male homosexuality.

Thirdly in turn, there's nothing unnatural about men feeling affection for other men.However, what happens if a man admits such affection? Yes, he's likely to volunteer that he's "not gay" — immediately, as if to convince himself and his peers of his "manliness."

Finally, since it's natural, children really are fine with it. Why wouldn't they be? Until taught otherwise, they accept how things are as a matter of fact.

And there you have it!

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#19 Jan 5, 2014
kuda wrote:
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It may help to remember that bigots learned to bigots when they were victimized into it during their own childhood. We tend to feel sorry for victimized children, but angry with them once they become bigoted adults. Everyone is somebody's child.
Unfortunately, the real question is how much can someone be changed given the availability of new information. Ultimately it depends on innate intelligence and genes play a large part. There are some people whose minds are as hard and unyielding to reason as a rock is to a pebble. "Once a bigot, always a bigot" is probably true for those with lower level of either logical intelligence that can be enlightened by facts or emotional intelligence that can be enlightened by familiarity.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#20 Jan 5, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Heads up asses is a gay thing, I'm not gay.
Sorry, it's NOT a Gay thing, it's simply an IDIOT thing, which you are simply by the comments you make.......and you need to read what the definition of Homophobia means........and it is about FEARING something you don't like, agree with or see as just another part of human sexuality.......your comments clearly show just how much you have an issue with it EVEN though it DOESN'T affect you!!!
david traversa

Argentina

#21 Jan 5, 2014
Children are empty vessels into which you pour whatever you wish and hope it develops .. pre-conditioning them to hate in the plural is always wrong .. You cannot instill heterosexuality ( or homosexuality) into them by force and a series of scare-lectures .. and no amount of school instruction is going to change a child's natural inclinations either way . Bisexuality is man's natural sexual condition and most people stifle it precisely because they've been indoctrinated , shamed into accepted patterns of behavior and set a bad example by adults from early childhood .. Eventually this repressed state becomes second nature but it remains a repression , not a virtue . Shakespeare said it best ( when alluding to conventional morals ): " There's no right or wrong but thinking makes it so " . The trouble with biblical tenets is the narrow-mindedness of those who conceived them due to their ignorance of almost everything .. As a guide to behavior they have only a very limited value nowadays . But they are an excellent excuse for the mentally lazy to remain in the state of torpor they've grown used to and that is so useful to those who want to control their lives .
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#22 Jan 5, 2014
A phobia is an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.

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