Anti-gay customers refuse tip to server, other patrons rally around him

There are 399 comments on the CBS 3 Springfield story from Oct 25, 2013, titled Anti-gay customers refuse tip to server, other patrons rally around him. In it, CBS 3 Springfield reports that:

A 20-year-old waiter provided exemplary service at an Overland Park Italian restaurant, but his anti-gay customers refused to tip him because of his sexual orientation.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#315 Oct 28, 2013
eJohn wrote:
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And you stiffing the server is the way to make that happen. Got it.
Actually if everyone stopped tipping they would have no choice but to address their pay with their employer.

Continuing to tip them just enables the employer to continue "exploiting" their workers.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#316 Oct 28, 2013
eJohn wrote:
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And I was a waiter 30 years ago, when I was in college. And 30 years later, minimum base pay for servers is all the way up to $2.65!!! Whoo-hoo!!! Imagine that--a 55-cent raise in 30 years.
What ARE all those selfish wait-staff crying about, anyway?? Shouldn't they be a *GRATEFUL* for the privilege of waiting on you for $2.65 an hour?? Some people can be SO selfish, can't they?? Ingrates!!
Again, if they have a problem with how much they are getting paid, then they should take that up with their EMPLOYER, not the customer.

I never complained to the people we were transporting to the hospital that my pay wasn't what I thought it should be and then demand the patient tip me when we dropped them off at the E.R. I never threatened to crimp off their IV tubing or drop the joules on the defibrillator just because they weren't going to tip me.

Anyone who has a problem with their pay should take it up with their employer, NOT the customer.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#317 Oct 28, 2013
eJohn wrote:
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Great idea!! Let's see how that convo would go, shall we??
Server: I can't pay my bills on $2.65 an hour plus tips. From now on, you have to pay me $15 and hour and put up a sign that says, "NO TIPPING!!!" with lots of exclamation points so people will know it's for real!!
Boss: OMG!!! I had NO IDEA that you could not pay your bills on $2.65 an hour!! I'm *SO* glad you told me that!! I did not know that $459 a month is not enough to live on! Who knew!! Thank God almighty that you have shown me the error of my ways! From now on, I'll pay you double that! I'll pay you $30 an hour because you're awesome. Certainly I could never hire anyone else to wait tables in here for $30 an hour, can I?? I won't raise the prices on the menu at all, and if someone leaves you a tip, you can keep that, too! And if the business doesn't do well enough to pay you that, I will take it out of my own savings account to pay you because you're awesome!! Thank you!!!
How close is that to what you're imagining will happen?
That sounds like a typical hysterical hissyfit.

No is forced to be a waiter.

Many states pay the same minimum wage to everyone, including waiter.

If someone CHOOSES to be a waiter and CAN'T live on what they get paid, then I'd suggest they either move somewhere that pays more, or find a different career.

Either way, it's simply none of my business what an employee makes.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#318 Oct 28, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Be that way then... it's not going to win you any friends.
I don't need friends that have to be bought.
Dorothy

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#319 Oct 28, 2013
Grateful not to be in Kansas anymore Toto.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#320 Oct 28, 2013
eJohn wrote:
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I've been on Amtrak all over the country, always in 1st class. I have *NEVER* seen an Amtrak employee *EVER* make any move or suggestion that they expect a tip. And I'm always treated extremely will by all of them. Probably because I'm nice to them and don't treat them like servants.
Nevertheless, I generally tip the sleeping car attendant $20 a night, and the wait staff in the dining car $5 or $10 for each meal. The bartender in the club car gets a buck or two per drink, just like in any other bar. It makes me happy to recognize them for their hard work, too. Serving is twice as hard on a train than it is on land.
If you really tipped out $500 for a roughly 48 hours on a train, you had NO idea what you were doing. I can't even begin to imagine how it would even be possible to tip that kind of cash in that short a time. It's not like they've got hookers on the train or anything like that.....
I don't treat ANYONE like a servant. I treat everyone as the professional I assume them to be, unless proven otherwise. I'm happy to recognize an employee's hard work as well- it's called saying thank you, or telling them how much I appreciate the JOB they are doing. Since they're already getting paid for the JOB they are supposed to be doing, there is no reason to give them more money, unless you're trying to give away all your wealth before you die.

So you claim I couldn't have tipped that much, but another tip expert claimed I got off easy. Tell you what, why don't you two get together and decide just how much tipping is required and get back to me.

Btw, it was over 3 days & 3 people traveling.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#321 Oct 28, 2013
eJohn wrote:
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I've been on Amtrak all over the country, always in 1st class. I have *NEVER* seen an Amtrak employee *EVER* make any move or suggestion that they expect a tip. And I'm always treated extremely will by all of them. Probably because I'm nice to them and don't treat them like servants.
Nevertheless, I generally tip the sleeping car attendant $20 a night, and the wait staff in the dining car $5 or $10 for each meal. The bartender in the club car gets a buck or two per drink, just like in any other bar. It makes me happy to recognize them for their hard work, too. Serving is twice as hard on a train than it is on land.
If you really tipped out $500 for a roughly 48 hours on a train, you had NO idea what you were doing. I can't even begin to imagine how it would even be possible to tip that kind of cash in that short a time. It's not like they've got hookers on the train or anything like that.....
We went to Seattle by train from LA a while back. The porters and waiters and bar tender were BEYOND gracious and lovely to deal with. I felt like we'd gone back in time 40 years. When I gave my porter a nice tip for her cheerful service she was almost in tears and acted as though no one had ever given her such a tip. I wonder if others do? She and the others made our trip wonderful.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#322 Oct 28, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Again, if they have a problem with how much they are getting paid, then they should take that up with their EMPLOYER, not the customer.
I never complained to the people we were transporting to the hospital that my pay wasn't what I thought it should be and then demand the patient tip me when we dropped them off at the E.R. I never threatened to crimp off their IV tubing or drop the joules on the defibrillator just because they weren't going to tip me.
Anyone who has a problem with their pay should take it up with their employer, NOT the customer.
Since an ambulance ride can be in the thousands of dollars and a typical California paramedic makes upwards of sixty thousand a year, do you really NEED tips to help you out?

If you are unhappy with your pay rate, why didn't you go to medical school and become a physician?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#323 Oct 28, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Since an ambulance ride can be in the thousands of dollars and a typical California paramedic makes upwards of sixty thousand a year, do you really NEED tips to help you out?
If you are unhappy with your pay rate, why didn't you go to medical school and become a physician?
So now tipping is a matter of need?

How do I know if the waiter or porter or whomever actually NEEDS the extra money? For all I know they are independently wealthy and just wait tables or carry luggage for the simply joy of doing so.

MANY people work who don't have to or don't need the money.

If a waiter is unhappy with their pay, why don't they go to culinary school and become a chef?

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#324 Oct 28, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Btw, those states with the HIGHEST minimum wage also have some of the HIGHEST unemployment rates- WA, OR, IL, CT.
The 5 states with the LOWEST unemployment rates- ND, SD, NE, HI, & WY- also have the LOWEST minimum wage.
Hmmm, the facts somehow that doesn't fit your narrative.
Four of the five states you list also have very few people per square mile.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#325 Oct 28, 2013
You`re the reason I would never hire someone just because they were in the military. And now, you leech off your husband. What a role model...

You`re smug because most waitstaff aren`t being kept like you.
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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No, my husband is a skilled professional- as am I; he works in pre-op.
I haven't worked since I managed a veterinary hospital after retiring from the military.
I'm more than content to fish, kayak, tend my garden & chickens, and raise our daughter.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#326 Oct 28, 2013
Your sense of entitlement is duly noted.

Why do you think every server WANTS to be a chef? You worked in an ambulance...why were you too lazy to become a doctor?
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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So now tipping is a matter of need?
How do I know if the waiter or porter or whomever actually NEEDS the extra money? For all I know they are independently wealthy and just wait tables or carry luggage for the simply joy of doing so.
MANY people work who don't have to or don't need the money.
If a waiter is unhappy with their pay, why don't they go to culinary school and become a chef?

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#327 Oct 29, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Your sense of entitlement is duly noted.
Why do you think every server WANTS to be a chef? You worked in an ambulance...why were you too lazy to become a doctor?
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Would you want a doctor with no empathy?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#328 Oct 29, 2013
TomInElPaso wrote:
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Four of the five states you list also have very few people per square mile.
Which is relevant how?

You DO understand how percentages work??

10% is 10%, whether that's 10 out of 100 or 10,000 out of 100,000.

The fact remains- states with the highest minimum wages also have some of the highest unemployment rates; states with the lowest minimum wages also have some of the lowest unemployment rates.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#329 Oct 29, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
You`re the reason I would never hire someone just because they were in the military. And now, you leech off your husband. What a role model...
You`re smug because most waitstaff aren`t being kept like you.
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Wow, you're really taking this personally.

So anyone who stays home to take care of their family is "leeching" off their spouse?

Wow, that's so 1950's of you!

Not that it's any of your business, but Hubby works because he WANTS to work, not because we need the money.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#330 Oct 29, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Your sense of entitlement is duly noted.
Why do you think every server WANTS to be a chef? You worked in an ambulance...why were you too lazy to become a doctor?
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I was responding to the person who claimed tipping should be based on need.

My point is I have no idea of what the financial needs of the wait staff are.

More importantly, it's NONE OF MY BUSINESS what their financial needs are.

Your employer pays you. If you have a problem with how much you're making, take it up with your employer, or seek other employment.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#331 Oct 29, 2013
RalphB wrote:
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Would you want a doctor with no empathy?
I have plenty of empathy for those who are in need of skills & an education which would allow them to get a higher paying job if they need one.

Should I have to give every waiter a hug too?
Maybe I should have to pay for their college?
Or buy them a new car?

How do I know how much they need? Do I ask them if a fifty will do, or maybe a hundred?

Do I have the right to look at their checkbook to make sure they're not actually wasting the money on alcohol or cigarettes or lottery tickets or iTunes etc?

I have plenty of empathy for those unable to qualify for a decent job. I'll give them all sorts of free advice how to change their lives if that's what they want.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#332 Oct 29, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I have plenty of empathy for those who are in need of skills & an education which would allow them to get a higher paying job if they need one.
Should I have to give every waiter a hug too?
Maybe I should have to pay for their college?
Or buy them a new car?
How do I know how much they need? Do I ask them if a fifty will do, or maybe a hundred?
Do I have the right to look at their checkbook to make sure they're not actually wasting the money on alcohol or cigarettes or lottery tickets or iTunes etc?
I have plenty of empathy for those unable to qualify for a decent job. I'll give them all sorts of free advice how to change their lives if that's what they want.
I stand by my statement, or question in this case. I quit arguing the merits of tipping long ago. I do what I feel I should do as a human being. If you are comfortable withholding a tip, go ahead. I am only accountable for my actions, and I feel perfectly good about it. I don't have to justify myself with all sorts of arguments, as you apparently feel the need to do.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#333 Oct 29, 2013
RalphB wrote:
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I stand by my statement, or question in this case. I quit arguing the merits of tipping long ago. I do what I feel I should do as a human being. If you are comfortable withholding a tip, go ahead. I am only accountable for my actions, and I feel perfectly good about it. I don't have to justify myself with all sorts of arguments, as you apparently feel the need to do.
I was simply stating my position on tipping and was constantly attacked and berated for doing so because I dared to disagree with the majority.

I'm not justifying myself; I'm simply pointing out the flaws in the attacks made against me.

I have no personal disagreement with you; but I will stand my ground when anyone attacks me for offering an opinion.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#334 Oct 29, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Actually if everyone stopped tipping they would have no choice but to address their pay with their employer.
Continuing to tip them just enables the employer to continue "exploiting" their workers.
And you stiffing the hard-working servers is the way to make that happen. Got it.

The reason this system is so universal is because PEOPLE LIKE IT!! I LOVE being able to give a particularly pleasant server a 50% tip if I think he or she did an outstanding job. I'm far from a wealthy person, but more than once I've left a fifty or a hundred dollar bill as a tip for a server that's really done a terrific job.

One local restaurant my husband and I frequent (a diner) has the same so-so food that every other Coney Island and little diner has, but we drive by two other similar restaurants to go to it because the service is so pleasant and the people that are there make our experience much nicer than we would get at the other two. And, yes, we happily tip the staff very will for making the effort.

At the same time, if a server does a lousy job, they'll get the bare minimum tip. It doesn't take long for a server that's making a fraction in tips of what their follow servers are making to either get with the program or quit. Either way, everybody wins.

Good luck with your anti-tipping crusade, dude. You won't get anywhere with it, but it's nice to have a hobby, I guess. Too bad yours involves screwing over people who's only crime was working a really crappy job and serving an ungrateful person.

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