Anti-gay customers refuse tip to serv...

Anti-gay customers refuse tip to server, other patrons rally around him

There are 398 comments on the CBS 3 Springfield story from Oct 25, 2013, titled Anti-gay customers refuse tip to server, other patrons rally around him. In it, CBS 3 Springfield reports that:

A 20-year-old waiter provided exemplary service at an Overland Park Italian restaurant, but his anti-gay customers refused to tip him because of his sexual orientation.

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Since: Mar 09

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#235 Oct 26, 2013
My favorite restaurant was a chophouse where the whole staff knew me, my table, and my policy : "My tipping starts at 30% and goes down for each time you make me notice you ... for anything. It's about the food. Not you."

They got VERY good at table service.

“and how does this effect you?”

Since: Mar 11

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#236 Oct 26, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Um, from THE BIBLE, you may have heard of it:

Matthew 6:5
Whenever you pray, you must NOT be like the hypocrites, because they LOVE to pray standing ...on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men.

I worked in that restaurant which is long gone in 1982 or so, I'm sure those churchy people who were in their later 60s then are long dead, staring at Jesus all day long now.

A fresh plate? Why? I wouldn't have dropped the PLATE.
I don't think it is necessarily showing off. Most of the times I have seen people praying they were in a corner of the restaurant and I didn't hear them, just noticed they had their head bowed. The only reason I know that is what they were doing is because they were holding hands around the table. People make a habit of praying before they eat. Our family never did in public and that verse was the reason why.

“and how does this effect you?”

Since: Mar 11

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#237 Oct 26, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, but I simply disagree with the whole idea of tipping.

Every employee should be expected to provide appropriate customer service regardless of their pay or position.

If an employee needs more money they should take that up with their employer.

And I don't dine out at places with a mandatory gratuity.

Would you think it acceptable for your doctor to demand a tip because he removed that tumor with a smile on his face & in a timely manner?
I agree with you...sort of. Most servers in my state (I have no idea about others) get little more than $2 an hour and Uncle Sam gets that. How is that legal? It's because we are expected to tip our servers. I didn't know that carhops at Sonic don't make minimum wage. They are supposed to get tips, but how can they if we didn't know that? This story isn't even about that, it's about the fact that they didn't tip them because they didn't agree with who he was. That's like saying I'm not tipping you because you're black or because you're a man. Not that this is even relevant, but how did they know he was gay? He was good enough to serve them but not good enough to tip?! There's just too many different things wrong with this. They need to go back and read the part of the bible about trying to remove a speck from one person's eye with a plank in their own!
Ryguy

Irmo, SC

#238 Oct 26, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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1. Praying is showing off? Wow!
2. I bet that restaurant and its patrons didn't miss you.
3. Then you'd have to serve them a fresh plate.
Just another ignorant comment from someone who doesn't deserve to be waited on, go eat at Mc Donalds loser!
Ryguy

Irmo, SC

#239 Oct 26, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I simply refuse to tip out a matter of principle.
If the bill has a "gratuity" added on for me, I simply cross it off.
You are a poor excuse for a human...

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#240 Oct 27, 2013
NE Jade wrote:
<quoted text>Seriously? A whole multitude of college students depend on waiting tables and tips. I feel bad for those that do it for a living permanently. Having experience from waiting tables and bar tending for years even after working at my college profession, I can tell you, the best tippers are those that have worked as servers/bartenders, followed by construction workers. The worst: married little housewives out in a pack, and Sunday pew warmers after service.
Seriously.

If someone has no more skills than necessary to wait tables their entire life, then they've got WAY bigger problems than how much they're getting tipped.

Judging from the service I've seen the rare times I eat out, I'm not surprised at all they're stuck waiting tables for a living. Ditto for the burger flippers at fast food restaurants.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#241 Oct 27, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, with your attitude? I can tell you've eaten MANY a dropped steak or spit in soda, or something of that nature.
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Wow, you're not really making the case for tipping these poor hardworking people.

If they'll do that just because they might not get as big a tip as they feel they are somehow entitled to, then imagine what they to do the food of people they really don't like.

I wonder how much business they'd get if they post that info on a sign on the door?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#242 Oct 27, 2013
snyper wrote:
My favorite restaurant was a chophouse where the whole staff knew me, my table, and my policy : "My tipping starts at 30% and goes down for each time you make me notice you ... for anything. It's about the food. Not you."
They got VERY good at table service.
According to all the professional waiters on here, you likely got a LOT of spit in your food with that attitude.

Just saying.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#243 Oct 27, 2013
Kimberling wrote:
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I agree with you...sort of. Most servers in my state (I have no idea about others) get little more than $2 an hour and Uncle Sam gets that. How is that legal? It's because we are expected to tip our servers. I didn't know that carhops at Sonic don't make minimum wage. They are supposed to get tips, but how can they if we didn't know that? This story isn't even about that, it's about the fact that they didn't tip them because they didn't agree with who he was. That's like saying I'm not tipping you because you're black or because you're a man. Not that this is even relevant, but how did they know he was gay? He was good enough to serve them but not good enough to tip?! There's just too many different things wrong with this. They need to go back and read the part of the bible about trying to remove a speck from one person's eye with a plank in their own!
Obviously the bible-thumpers were discriminating against him just because they thought he was gay. That's a pretty cut & dried bias.

Maybe restaurants should be required to post how much they pay their wait staff? That way those who are so inclined can make up the difference in their pay.

We could extend that to ALL businesses: make them post the wages of all employees so those inclined can help them out with a little extra cash.

Or you could just ask the person serving you or bagging your groceries or changing the oil on your car how much extra money they'd like you to give them!

Sorry, but what you make is NONE OF MY BUSINESS, whether you're a doctor, an auto mechanic, a checkout clerk, or a waiter.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#244 Oct 27, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Seriously.
If someone has no more skills than necessary to wait tables their entire life, then they've got WAY bigger problems than how much they're getting tipped.
When I enlisted into the military I discovered that it was a haven for the otherwise unemployable. I enlisted because I got my draft notice and wanted to chose the branch. The good news is that these days they are more selective.

What was it that you did for a living?

Since: Apr 09

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#245 Oct 27, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Obviously the bible-thumpers were discriminating against him just because they thought he was gay. That's a pretty cut & dried bias.
Maybe restaurants should be required to post how much they pay their wait staff? That way those who are so inclined can make up the difference in their pay.
We could extend that to ALL businesses: make them post the wages of all employees so those inclined can help them out with a little extra cash.
Or you could just ask the person serving you or bagging your groceries or changing the oil on your car how much extra money they'd like you to give them!
Sorry, but what you make is NONE OF MY BUSINESS, whether you're a doctor, an auto mechanic, a checkout clerk, or a waiter.
Grandpa, you're cheap - we get it.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#246 Oct 27, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
And would go out of business when they have to treble their prices to pay even minimum wage. You have no clue how competitive the food industry is, and how razor-thin the profit margin is.
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That razor-thin profit is why so many restaurants fail in the first year.

Since: Dec 09

Oak Harbor, WA

#248 Oct 27, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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Grandpa, you're cheap - we get it.
Little child, you're immature - we get it. You must be about 12 yrs old, so anyone over 25 is ancient to you. After puberty you'll start to see how foolish your attitude is.

“Take Topix Back From Trolls”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#249 Oct 27, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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When I enlisted into the military I discovered that it was a haven for the otherwise unemployable. I enlisted because I got my draft notice and wanted to chose the branch. The good news is that these days they are more selective.
What was it that you did for a living?
You weren't very bright if you didn't know that before enlisting. And yes it is very much different today primarily because we went to an all volunteer military. At one point it was not much more than a human meat market with the only exit being a door to the funeral parlor. A sad commentary in this nations history.

“and how does this effect you?”

Since: Mar 11

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#250 Oct 27, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>Obviously the bible-thumpers were discriminating against him just because they thought he was gay. That's a pretty cut & dried bias.

Maybe restaurants should be required to post how much they pay their wait staff? That way those who are so inclined can make up the difference in their pay.

We could extend that to ALL businesses: make them post the wages of all employees so those inclined can help them out with a little extra cash.

Or you could just ask the person serving you or bagging your groceries or changing the oil on your car how much extra money they'd like you to give them!

Sorry, but what you make is NONE OF MY BUSINESS, whether you're a doctor, an auto mechanic, a checkout clerk, or a waiter.
This is why I said I agree with you...sort of: I don't believe it should be legal for employers to get away with paying them less than minimum wage. I don't think it should be up to me to make sure my server's electricity bill is paid. On the other hand, I know when I go into a restaurant tipping is expected for service. You pay the restaurant for the food you pay the server for his service. If you go into the doctor's office and he orders a test you pay for the test, but you also pay for his service. If you go to a mechanic and he says you have a bad thermostat, you'll pay for the thermostat and then you pay for his service.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#251 Oct 27, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Wow, you're not really making the case for tipping these poor hardworking people.
If they'll do that just because they might not get as big a tip as they feel they are somehow entitled to, then imagine what they to do the food of people they really don't like.
I wonder how much business they'd get if they post that info on a sign on the door?
No, since the tip is offered AFTER the meal is over and done with my point was that there are horrible customers in all businesses, but in restaurants, it seems that some customers become Henry the Eighth and scream orders and belittle and insult since they think the word "server" is akin to the word "slave". Any wait person can tell you of some dreadful guests who he or she would put rat poison in their food if they wouldn't get thrown into prison. If there is an "oopsie" moment it is BEFORE the tip or lack of it happens.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#252 Oct 27, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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So you'd have no problem paying another 20% "tip" for your oil change or to the checkout clerk in the supermarket?
If you can't afford the tip, then change your own oil and grow your own food.
Oh puh-leez. The minimum wage laws are different for restaurants. Oil change and supermarket check out ARE NOT restaurant jobs.

The minimum wage for a restaurant job is $2.13

The minimum wage for everything else is $7.25

Think about why.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#253 Oct 27, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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When I enlisted into the military I discovered that it was a haven for the otherwise unemployable. I enlisted because I got my draft notice and wanted to chose the branch. The good news is that these days they are more selective.
What was it that you did for a living?
pffft.... you were drafted because you were too stupid to go to college.

Since: Apr 09

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#254 Oct 27, 2013
Arminus wrote:
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Little child, you're immature - we get it. You must be about 12 yrs old, so anyone over 25 is ancient to you. After puberty you'll start to see how foolish your attitude is.
The gray hair on my balding head begs to disagree...

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#255 Oct 27, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Seriously.
If someone has no more skills than necessary to wait tables their entire life, then they've got WAY bigger problems than how much they're getting tipped.
Judging from the service I've seen the rare times I eat out, I'm not surprised at all they're stuck waiting tables for a living. Ditto for the burger flippers at fast food restaurants.
Why are you so harsh? I assume you've never been to New York. You tip someone a fiver for opening the door for you at some places. In Las Vegas, a ten gets you seated closer to the stage. A twenty gets you ring side.

There are many tipping positions. It's part of the game. Most tipped positions are generally low paying jobs, house cleaner, hair dresser, bell boys, jobs like that. Doctors make big money as do even most auto mechanics. They do for their jobs are kind of important. If your car's oil is not done correctly, it could burn out. If your doctor..well, you get it.

When I used to live in Los Angeles, we would save up and go to some high end place on birthdays or some other fun occasion. You tip everyone in a place like that. It's part of the show. My favorite? The Bel Air Hotel used to have free valet parking, but everyone tipped the guys who parked your car. My best valet story was the time my car was literally parked 10 feet away, but we still tipped the valet $5 for that short trip.

If you don't like it, don't go.

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