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Church Leaders Vow Political Backlash if Gay Marriage Passes

There are 17560 comments on the NBC Chicago story from Jan 7, 2013, titled Church Leaders Vow Political Backlash if Gay Marriage Passes. In it, NBC Chicago reports that:

Leaders of several Chicago-area African American churches on Monday urged state lawmakers to vote against pending legislation that would allow same-sex marriage in Illinois.

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#2025 Feb 1, 2013
dances with weebles wrote:
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oh, so you're saying that same sex marriage is better because:
'same sex couples don't deal with accidental pregnancy, miscarriages and births. Same sex couples don't have abortions'
these are all advantages.
It also fails to consider that while procreation ability, intent, or desire has never been a requirement for marriage, gay married couples are raising children both biologically related and adopted.

I also wonder how a marriage to one other person can be diverse...
barry

Rainsville, AL

#2026 Feb 1, 2013
dances with weebles wrote:
<quoted text>
oh, so you're saying that same sex marriage is better because:
'same sex couples don't deal with accidental pregnancy, miscarriages and births. Same sex couples don't have abortions'
these are all advantages.
is this an advantage also?

"we demonstrated that in a major Canadian centre, life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 21 years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality continued, we estimated that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged 20 years would not reach their 65th birthday. Under even the most liberal assumptions, gay and bisexual men in this urban centre were experiencing a life expectancy similar to that experienced by men in Canada in the year 1871."

whereas:
"life expectancy among smokers is 10 years shorter on average than those who never smoke."

it might be safer to smoke?
barry

Rainsville, AL

#2027 Feb 1, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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If you can locate the 'bible committee list' of the 32 fundies who rewrote the Authorized King James Version to create the St. Jerome's Day RSV version; you won't have to work from memory. Keep in mind that the 32 fundies didn't work all at the same time; but rather they worked at different stages over the 15-year period of the project
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The project was started in 1937 when fundamentalism was a type of superstition used in scary radio programs. Fundamentalism first appeared in organized religion with the introduction of the Revised Standard Version NEW Testament in 1946
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Here is a bit of info about the original source of the 'Fundamentals'; a set of tracts that were handed out on street corners in New York City prior to World War I. Even though it is from the dailykos; the story jives with Wiki and other assorted historic accounts
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/03/26/8510...
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Here is a direct link to the the Bible Committee's webpage
http://www.ncccusa.org/newbtu/reader.html
bruce metzger was hardly a fundamentalist.

BRUCE MANNING METZGER (1914-) is another of the editors of the United Bible SocietiesÂ’ Greek New Testament. He is Professor of New Testament Language and Literature, Princeton Theological Seminary, and serves on the board of the American Bible Society (St. Petersburg Times, Oct. 2, 1982, p. 5). Metzger served on the heretical committee which produced the Revised Standard Version. When it first appeard in 1952, the RSV was rightly condemned for its modernism. Metzger is the head of the continuing RSV translation committee of the apostate National Council of Churches in the U.S.A.

http://prophets-see-all.tripod.com/46648.htm
Bruce Metzger is a liberal who denies the very Word of God he translates. He piously claims on one hand that the Bible is the inspired Word of God; but out of the other side of the mouth he claims the Bible is filled with myth and lies. He denies its history, its miracles, and its authorship, and in true liberal style, he claims that this denial does not do injustice to the Word of God, for the Bible is not "written for history but for religion" and is not to be read "with a dull prosaic and literalistic mind" (The New Oxford Annotated Bible, Revised Standard Version, edited by Herbert May and Bruce Metzger, Oxford University Press, 1973)

and more;
Metzger denies there was ever a worldwide Flood that covered the whole earth...the book of Job was an ancient folktale...the book of Jonah was popular legend...Moses did not write the Pentateuch...Peter did not write 2 Peter.

so while bm is a recognized scholar and what he has written must be considered he by no means is even remotely a fundamentalist.

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#2028 Feb 1, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>is this an advantage also?
"we demonstrated that in a major Canadian centre, life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 21 years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality continued, we estimated that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged 20 years would not reach their 65th birthday. Under even the most liberal assumptions, gay and bisexual men in this urban centre were experiencing a life expectancy similar to that experienced by men in Canada in the year 1871."
whereas:
"life expectancy among smokers is 10 years shorter on average than those who never smoke."
it might be safer to smoke?
This study addressed HIV positive people. Most gay people do not have HIV despite your desire to stigmatize otherwise.

Gay people who do not have HIV have life expectancy equivalent to straight folks with the same characteristics. Sexual orientation alone does not affect life expectancy.

Again, you have a good argument for encouraging committed relationships thorough marriage, and discouraging promiscuity and unprotected sex.

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#2029 Feb 1, 2013
dances with weebles wrote:
<quoted text>
oh, so you're saying that same sex marriage is better because:
'same sex couples don't deal with accidental pregnancy, miscarriages and births. Same sex couples don't have abortions'
these are all advantages.
(flying tackle huggles)

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#2030 Feb 1, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>That's a laugh; same sex couples don't deal with accidental pregnancy, miscarriages and births. Same sex couples don't have abortions.
No couple has ever had an abortion, only women can get pregnant.
Brian_G wrote:
Gender segregation marriage is inferior to gender integration marriage because diversity is the spice of life.
Gender segregation marriage? Is stupidity on your level physically painful?

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#2031 Feb 1, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>bruce metzger was hardly a fundamentalist.
BRUCE MANNING METZGER (1914-) is another of the editors of the United Bible SocietiesÂ’ Greek New Testament. He is Professor of New Testament Language and Literature, Princeton Theological Seminary, and serves on the board of the American Bible Society (St. Petersburg Times, Oct. 2, 1982, p. 5). Metzger served on the heretical committee which produced the Revised Standard Version. When it first appeard in 1952, the RSV was rightly condemned for its modernism. Metzger is the head of the continuing RSV translation committee of the apostate National Council of Churches in the U.S.A.
http://prophets-see-all.tripod.com/46648.htm
Bruce Metzger is a liberal who denies the very Word of God he translates. He piously claims on one hand that the Bible is the inspired Word of God; but out of the other side of the mouth he claims the Bible is filled with myth and lies. He denies its history, its miracles, and its authorship, and in true liberal style, he claims that this denial does not do injustice to the Word of God, for the Bible is not "written for history but for religion" and is not to be read "with a dull prosaic and literalistic mind" (The New Oxford Annotated Bible, Revised Standard Version, edited by Herbert May and Bruce Metzger, Oxford University Press, 1973)
and more;
Metzger denies there was ever a worldwide Flood that covered the whole earth...the book of Job was an ancient folktale...the book of Jonah was popular legend...Moses did not write the Pentateuch...Peter did not write 2 Peter.
so while bm is a recognized scholar and what he has written must be considered he by no means is even remotely a fundamentalist.
He doesn't deny the "Word of GOd". He simply recognizes that that phrase is NOT synonymous with an anthology of old writings, not all of which carry the same weight. He also recognizes that Biblicism and Inerrency are self-refuting tautologies.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#2032 Feb 1, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>bruce metzger was hardly a fundamentalist.
BRUCE MANNING METZGER (1914-) is another of the editors of the United Bible SocietiesÂ’ Greek New Testament. He is Professor of New Testament Language and Literature, Princeton Theological Seminary, and serves on the board of the American Bible Society (St. Petersburg Times, Oct. 2, 1982, p. 5). Metzger served on the heretical committee which produced the Revised Standard Version. When it first appeard in 1952, the RSV was rightly condemned for its modernism. Metzger is the head of the continuing RSV translation committee of the apostate National Council of Churches in the U.S.A.
http://prophets-see-all.tripod.com/46648.htm
Bruce Metzger is a liberal who denies the very Word of God he translates. He piously claims on one hand that the Bible is the inspired Word of God; but out of the other side of the mouth he claims the Bible is filled with myth and lies. He denies its history, its miracles, and its authorship, and in true liberal style, he claims that this denial does not do injustice to the Word of God, for the Bible is not "written for history but for religion" and is not to be read "with a dull prosaic and literalistic mind" (The New Oxford Annotated Bible, Revised Standard Version, edited by Herbert May and Bruce Metzger, Oxford University Press, 1973)
and more;
Metzger denies there was ever a worldwide Flood that covered the whole earth...the book of Job was an ancient folktale...the book of Jonah was popular legend...Moses did not write the Pentateuch...Peter did not write 2 Peter.
so while bm is a recognized scholar and what he has written must be considered he by no means is even remotely a fundamentalist.
Thanks for all the links Barry ;o))
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I agree that the bible committee probably had more noble intentions than to give birth to a new breed of holy rollers
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Its the book they produced that inadvertently became the handbook fundamentalists use to support their philosophies
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Accidents 'do' happen ;o))
barry

Rainsville, AL

#2033 Feb 1, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
He doesn't deny the "Word of GOd". He simply recognizes that that phrase is NOT synonymous with an anthology of old writings, not all of which carry the same weight. He also recognizes that Biblicism and Inerrency are self-refuting tautologies.
in other words he is not a fundamentalist.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#2034 Feb 1, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for all the links Barry ;o))
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I agree that the bible committee probably had more noble intentions than to give birth to a new breed of holy rollers
.
Its the book they produced that inadvertently became the handbook fundamentalists use to support their philosophies
.
Accidents 'do' happen ;o))
anybody that would accept the lable fundamentalist would not be using the rsv. they would still be using the kjv. although in this day and age who knows anymore.

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#2035 Feb 1, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>is this an advantage also?
"we demonstrated that in a major Canadian centre, life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 21 years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality continued, we estimated that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged 20 years would not reach their 65th birthday. Under even the most liberal assumptions, gay and bisexual men in this urban centre were experiencing a life expectancy similar to that experienced by men in Canada in the year 1871."
whereas:
"life expectancy among smokers is 10 years shorter on average than those who never smoke."
it might be safer to smoke?
the statistics on both are based upon lies. get over it.

“laugh until your belly hurts”

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#2036 Feb 1, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
He doesn't deny the "Word of GOd". He simply recognizes that that phrase is NOT synonymous with an anthology of old writings, not all of which carry the same weight. He also recognizes that Biblicism and Inerrency are self-refuting tautologies.
exactly
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#2037 Feb 1, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>anybody that would accept the lable fundamentalist would not be using the rsv. they would still be using the kjv. although in this day and age who knows anymore.
Here in the chat room; the fundamentaists are the ones who quote from the RSV and its various imitations

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Since: Dec 08

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#2038 Feb 1, 2013
dances with weebles wrote:
oh, so you're saying that same sex marriage is better because:'same sex couples don't deal with accidental pregnancy, miscarriages and births. Same sex couples don't have abortions' these are all advantages.
You think birth is a disadvantage? That explains why you support same sex marriage.

Same sex marriage is bad because it detracts from the marriage's role in family formation and stability. Same sex marriage just can't give government the same advantages conventional marriage gives; the next generation of taxpayers.

Since: Mar 09

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#2039 Feb 1, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>is this an advantage also?
"we demonstrated that in a major Canadian centre, life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 21 years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality continued, we estimated that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged 20 years would not reach their 65th birthday. Under even the most liberal assumptions, gay and bisexual men in this urban centre were experiencing a life expectancy similar to that experienced by men in Canada in the year 1871."
whereas:
"life expectancy among smokers is 10 years shorter on average than those who never smoke."
it might be safer to smoke?
I'm 87.

And this impacts Marriage how, exactly?

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#2040 Feb 1, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for all the links Barry ;o))
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I agree that the bible committee probably had more noble intentions than to give birth to a new breed of holy rollers
.
Its the book they produced that inadvertently became the handbook fundamentalists use to support their philosophies
.
Accidents 'do' happen ;o))
Those and Rushdoony !!!

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#2041 Feb 1, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>in other words he is not a fundamentalist.
No. He is not. He doesn't decry "modernism", while at the same time subscribing to the modern philosophy of fundamentalism. lol

This means that he is not part of the institutionalized hypocrisy that is part and parcel of the very premise of fundamentalism.

(even more lol)

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#2042 Feb 1, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>anybody that would accept the lable fundamentalist would not be using the rsv. they would still be using the kjv. although in this day and age who knows anymore.
Most who apply that term to themselves don't know what they are talking about. The same is mostly true of those who apply it to others. Neither usually know the specific meaning of the term or it's history.

(sigh)

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#2043 Feb 1, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>You think birth is a disadvantage? That explains why you support same sex marriage.
Same sex marriage is bad because it detracts from the marriage's role in family formation and stability. Same sex marriage just can't give government the same advantages conventional marriage gives; the next generation of taxpayers.
That's what it means to YOU ... so you had better not marry someone of the same sex as yourself or you will instantly become a crappy parent and generally uncivilized individual.

No wait ...
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#2044 Feb 1, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>You think birth is a disadvantage? That explains why you support same sex marriage.
Same sex marriage is bad because it detracts from the marriage's role in family formation and stability. Same sex marriage just can't give government the same advantages conventional marriage gives; the next generation of taxpayers.
With marriage equality; gay couples with kids will qualify for the same $467,562.00 benefits; rights; and privileges that straight couples get
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/03/your-money/... ;
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1,138 federal benefits all for the price of a $35 marriage license
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What a deal!

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