Church Leaders Vow Political Backlash...

Church Leaders Vow Political Backlash if Gay Marriage Passes

There are 17554 comments on the NBC Chicago story from Jan 7, 2013, titled Church Leaders Vow Political Backlash if Gay Marriage Passes. In it, NBC Chicago reports that:

Leaders of several Chicago-area African American churches on Monday urged state lawmakers to vote against pending legislation that would allow same-sex marriage in Illinois.

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Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#18104 Mar 18, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Natural law, or the law of nature ...
Actually, natural law was created by apologists for religion to cloak their moral beliefs in pseudo-scientific rhetoric.

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#18105 Mar 18, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
Natural law, or the law of nature (Latin: lex naturalis), is a system of law that is determined by nature, and so is universal. Classically, natural law refers to the use of reason to analyze human nature — both social and personal — and deduce binding rules of moral behavior from it. Natural law is often contrasted with the positive law of a given political community, society, or state. In legal theory, on the other hand, the interpretation of positive law requires some reference to natural law. On this understanding of natural law, natural law can be invoked to criticize judicial decisions about what the law says but not to criticize the best interpretation of the law itself. Some scholars use natural law synonymously with natural justice or natural right (Latin ius naturale), while others distinguish between natural law and natural right.
Brian, idiots with no valid argument cite natural law. Were the world as you assert, there would be no need of man made law, nor would there be any need for distinct countries and towns with separate jurisdiction and different laws.

Some of us live in the real world, in stead of whatever lala-land exists inside your head. In the real world, we have laws written by man, enacted by legislatures, and signed into law by executives. In the United States, the US Constitution is the highest law of the land, and it demands that states provide all persons within their jurisdiction equal protection of the laws. Marriage is one such protection of the law in every state in the union, and you have long proven too dumb to offer any reason why same sex couples should be denied equal protection of the law to marry.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#18106 Mar 18, 2014
lides wrote:
Some of us live in the real world,
When are you going to? I doubt you will.

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Since: Feb 11

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#18107 Mar 18, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I wrote: "[G]ender differences are so important they mean the survival of the human race and so great that in many languages even words have gender."
LOL!!! Words are feminine and masculine in some languages because it's important to the survival of the human race. Got it!!

What a moron you are.
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>
Same sex marriage doesn't "magically affect the survival of the human race", gender differences do.
Same sex marriage has no affect on the survival of the human race moron.
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>
I've explained this before, gender differences are essential to survival, same sex marriage not.
Gender differences have nothing to do with marriage, same sex or otherwise moron. The marriages of straights and the marriages of gays have no affect on the survival of the human race moron. The institution of marriage could be wiped off the planet tomorrow, and the human race would carry on just fine.

Trying to establish any link whatsoever between marriage (same sex or otherwise) and the survival of the human race is what demonstrates your idiocy Brian_G. Well, that and just about everything else you post.
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>Try reading, if you were as good at insulting.
Try writing something that's actually worth reading moron. Your sex segregation bullshit doesn't qualify, since it's nothing but stupidity.

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Since: Feb 11

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#18108 Mar 18, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Natural law, or the law of nature (Latin: lex naturalis), is a system of law that is determined by nature, and so is universal. Classically, natural law refers to the use of reason to analyze human nature — both social and personal — and deduce binding rules of moral behavior from it. Natural law is often contrasted with the positive law of a given political community, society, or state. In legal theory, on the other hand, the interpretation of positive law requires some reference to natural law. On this understanding of natural law, natural law can be invoked to criticize judicial decisions about what the law says but not to criticize the best interpretation of the law itself. Some scholars use natural law synonymously with natural justice or natural right (Latin ius naturale), while others distinguish between natural law and natural right.
Everyone knows what natural law is Brian, the difference is that the rest of us could explain it without cut and paste. You on the other hand, being a moron don't even comprehend what it is you cut and pasted.

And Natural law still has nothing to do with marriage. it never will. Thanks for demonstrating yet again why you're the village idiot.
Xavier Breath

Brooklyn, NY

#18109 Mar 18, 2014
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
Are homosexuals men and women, yes or no?
If yes, then they should be treated like any other man or woman as it relates to marriage, the legally recognized union of husband and wife, valid in all fifty states and recognized by all fifty states.
Husband and husband
wife and wife

these combinations are recognized, too. As long as it is recognized by the federal government (and they ARE) that's all that matters.

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#18110 Mar 18, 2014
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>
Husband and husband
wife and wife
these combinations are recognized, too. As long as it is recognized by the federal government (and they ARE) that's all that matters.
But what about conjunctivitis and polyanna?
Xavier Breath

Brooklyn, NY

#18111 Mar 18, 2014
Jonah1 wrote:
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But what about conjunctivitis and polyanna?
hair-lip?

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Since: Apr 08

Planet Earth

#18112 Mar 18, 2014
Pietro Armando wrote:
Are homosexuals men and women, yes or no?
If yes, then they should be treated like any other man or woman as it relates to marriage, the legally recognized union of husband and wife, valid in all fifty states and recognized by all fifty states.
Except all rights, including marriage, are subject to the equal protection and due process clauses of the constitution. That means other characteristics besides sex, including race and sexual orientation, can be the subject of an equal protection and due process claims. So just because gays are men and women doesn't prelude them from asserting discrimination based on sexual orientation. Sorry to burst your bigoted and constitutionally ignorant bubble once again, stupid Peter.

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Since: Apr 08

Planet Earth

#18113 Mar 18, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
I wrote: "[G]ender differences are so important they mean the survival of the human race and so great that in many languages even words have gender." Same sex marriage doesn't "magically affect the survival of the human race", gender differences do.
I've explained this before, gender differences are essential to survival, same sex marriage not.
Neither is opposite sex marriage essential to survival, Brian. The human species survived long before marriage or modern language were created. Opposite sex couples prove to this day marriage isn't necessary for procreation given the 40% out of wedlock birth rate.

Another epic fail on your part, Brian.
Brian_G wrote:
Try reading, if you were as good at insulting.
Too bad the rationality and logic of your writing comes nowhere close to matching the level of bigotry you've achieved, Brian.

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Since: Apr 08

Planet Earth

#18114 Mar 18, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
Natural law, or the law of nature (Latin: lex naturalis), is a system of law that is determined by nature, and so is universal. Classically, natural law refers to the use of reason to analyze human nature — both social and personal — and deduce binding rules of moral behavior from it. Natural law is often contrasted with the positive law of a given political community, society, or state. In legal theory, on the other hand, the interpretation of positive law requires some reference to natural law. On this understanding of natural law, natural law can be invoked to criticize judicial decisions about what the law says but not to criticize the best interpretation of the law itself. Some scholars use natural law synonymously with natural justice or natural right (Latin ius naturale), while others distinguish between natural law and natural right.
Natural law may be universal but it suffers from the same limitation as religious holy texts: interpretation by humans with different views, abilities, education, biases, etc. So there is no universally accepted view of what comprises natural law. And while some aspects of aural law may find their way into our civil law, it by no means controls or dictates our civil law.

And by the way, your plagiarism of Wikipedia without attribution is noted.

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Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#18115 Mar 18, 2014
Jonah1 wrote:
LOL!!! Words are feminine and masculine in some languages because it's important to the survival of the human race. Got it!! What a moron you are.
No, Jo doesn't get it. Gender differences are both important and large. By important, gender differences mean the survival of the human race. By large, gender differences are reflected in language, dress and custom.

Now, do you get it?

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Jonah1 wrote:
Same sex marriage has no affect on the survival of the human race moron.
That remains to be seen; I recommend waiting a half dozen generations just to be sure.

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Jonah1 wrote:
Gender differences have nothing to do with marriage, same sex or otherwise moron.
Without gender differences, gays would be bisexual.

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Jonah1 wrote:
The marriages of straights and the marriages of gays have no affect on the survival of the human race moron. The institution of marriage could be wiped off the planet tomorrow, and the human race would carry on just fine.
I believe the ideal social organization is one man and one woman marriage, you're entitled to your opinions.

One thing for sure, we can't depend on same sex marriage for the survival of our species. That's one benefit opposite sex couples give, not same sex couples.

Hey, whatever floats your boat but don't fool yourself.

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Jonah1 wrote:
Trying to establish any link whatsoever between marriage (same sex or otherwise) and the survival of the human race is what demonstrates your idiocy Brian_G. Well, that and just about everything else you post. Try writing something that's actually worth reading moron. Your sex segregation bullshit doesn't qualify, since it's nothing but stupidity.
I blame our school system and the teacher unions, Jo's trying her best.

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#18116 Mar 18, 2014
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolutely.
Bravo!
Pietro, you still seem to be lacking in the ability to articulate a compelling governmental interest served by limiting marriage to opposite sex couples that would render such a restriction constitutional, and render your argument relevant.
Can you articulate a compelling reason why he government should abolish the sole legal definition of marriage as a union of one man and one woman as husband and wife which has existed since before the birth of the Republic, and existed at the time of the constitutional convention?

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#18117 Mar 18, 2014
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>
Husband and husband
wife and wife
these combinations are recognized, too. As long as it is recognized by the federal government (and they ARE) that's all that matters.
What is the basis For each?

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#18118 Mar 18, 2014
Terra Firma wrote:
<quoted text>
Except all rights, including marriage, are subject to the equal protection and due process clauses of the constitution.
Ohhhhhhh....Kay.
That means other characteristics besides sex, including race and sexual orientation, can be the subject of an equal protection and due process claims.
Ohhhhhhh.....Kay.
So just because gays are men and women doesn't prelude them from asserting discrimination based on sexual orientation.
Yet "sexual orientation" does not preclude them from being treated like any other man, or woman.
. Sorry to burst your bigoted and constitutionally ignorant bubble once again, stupid Peter.
You advocate the unequal treatment of some men and women, and you accuse me of being "bigoted".

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Since: Apr 08

Planet Earth

#18119 Mar 18, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
No, Jo doesn't get it. Gender differences are both important and large. By important, gender differences mean the survival of the human race. By large, gender differences are reflected in language, dress and custom.
Now, do you get it?
Yes; marriage is not required for the survival of the human race and so gender differences within marriage are also not necessary for the survival of the human race.
Brian_G wrote:
That remains to be seen; I recommend waiting a half dozen generations just to be sure.
Feel free to wait. Meanwhile, the world will move along without you like it has been for years.
Brian_G wrote:
Without gender differences, gays would be bisexual.
Still can't understand the difference between sex and sexual orientation, huh Brian?
Brian_G wrote:
I believe the ideal social organization is one man and one woman marriage, you're entitled to your opinions.
Just as you're entitled to your erroneous beliefs, Brian.
Brian_G wrote:
One thing for sure, we can't depend on same sex marriage for the survival of our species.
Marriage is irrelevant to the survival of the species regardless of whether it's same sex or opposite sex.
Brian_G wrote:
That's one benefit opposite sex couples give, not same sex couples.
No doubt it galls you knowing that our fundamental rights aren't predicated on who brings the most benefit to society. For which you really should be thankful since that would mean a lot heterosexuals languishing without any rights.
Brian_G wrote:
Hey, whatever floats your boat but don't fool yourself.
You're the expect here at fooling yourself, Brian.
Brian_G wrote:
I blame our school system and the teacher unions, Jo's trying her best.
I guess we should blame your parents for the fact you're uneducable, Brian. It's either their lousy genes or their lousy upbringing that made you into the bigoted moron that you are.

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Since: Apr 08

Planet Earth

#18120 Mar 18, 2014
Pietro Armando wrote:
Ohhhhhhh....Kay.
Ohhhhhhh.....Kay.
Yet "sexual orientation" does not preclude them from being treated like any other man, or woman.
They're being treated differently because of their sexual orientation. The sex restriction in marriage law acts as a de facto sexual orientation test.
Pietro Armando wrote:
You advocate the unequal treatment of some men and women, and you accuse me of being "bigoted".
I'm not advocating different treatment based on sex, lying *sswipe Peter. Men and women are still treated the same when they each can marry someone of either sex.

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#18121 Mar 18, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Natural law, or the law of nature (Latin: lex naturalis), is a system of law that is determined by nature, and so is universal. Classically, natural law refers to the use of reason to analyze human nature — both social and personal — and deduce binding rules of moral behavior from it. Natural law is often contrasted with the positive law of a given political community, society, or state. In legal theory, on the other hand, the interpretation of positive law requires some reference to natural law. On this understanding of natural law, natural law can be invoked to criticize judicial decisions about what the law says but not to criticize the best interpretation of the law itself. Some scholars use natural law synonymously with natural justice or natural right (Latin ius naturale), while others distinguish between natural law and natural right.
Natural law is irrelevant drivel.

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Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#18122 Mar 18, 2014
Terra Firma wrote:
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Marriage is irrelevant to the survival of the species regardless of whether it's same sex or opposite sex.
^^^This may be the hear of the issue; marriage is important to the survival of our culture, socitey and civilization. This is where we differ.

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Terra Firma wrote:
...I guess we should blame your parents for the fact you're uneducable, Brian. It's either their lousy genes or their lousy upbringing that made you into the bigoted moron that you are.
^^^And again, here we differ. I never insult other posters.
Xavier Breath

Brooklyn, NY

#18123 Mar 18, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>No, Jo doesn't get it. Gender differences are both important and large. By important, gender differences mean the survival of the human race. By large, gender differences are reflected in language, dress and custom.
Now, do you get it?
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I really don't think reproduction is dependent on dress and custom or language. There will always be people because people like to have sex. It is a basic human need like shelter, water and food.

And most people I know anyway are naked when they have sex, so I think your concerns over dress are a little misplaced.

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