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Leaders of several Chicago-area African American churches on Monday urged state lawmakers to vote against pending legislation that would allow same-sex marriage in Illinois.

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“abstractions of thought...”

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#11368 Oct 13, 2013
Wise_Crack_er wrote:
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Not the cases, dopey...the "compelling state INTERETS" in denying those individuas the same equal protection of law you're demanding.
Those interests are stated in the case citations. They've also have been stated multiple times by multiple people in this thread. It's not our fault you can't be bothered to read what others write or take breaks when your Topix ID's are banned and you have to re-register.
Wise_Crack_er wrote:
I guess you thought if you waited till the next page, no one would notice your deflection.
Apparently you thought no one would notice you're the same lazy troll with a new ID.
Wise_Crack_er wrote:
Pffft...as if you're someone....
I am someone. Are you not?
Wise_Crack_er wrote:
I neither need nor want YOU to "entertain" reality
Translation: I can't cite the requested research because it doesn't exist.
Wise_Crack_er wrote:
it's obviously not your cup of tea. I'm merely amused at your hypocritical bigotry, given your penchant for whining about discrimination.
And yet unlike you, I back up my assertions with case law and knowledge rather than just sniveling about what others post.
No Comment

New Port Richey, FL

#11369 Oct 13, 2013
Neil An Blowme wrote:
<quoted text>
Is there something about the concept of 'equal protection' that escapes you, birdbrain?
Yes, actually, there is, numbskull. How can you demand equal protection for yourself, and advocate denying it to individuals you disagree with,....hypocrite?
No Comment

New Port Richey, FL

#11370 Oct 13, 2013
Terra Firma wrote:
<quoted text>
Those interests are stated in the case citations.
Yes, and you STILL have yet to list one yourself. Trouble comprehending the reading material? Or are you just too lazy?

Since: Aug 11

Scotts Valley, CA

#11372 Oct 13, 2013
The End of Days wrote:
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The King of child sexual depravity. That'll be you Lides, that'll be you.
By Gilad Atzmon
We were informed this week that the four major
female founders of the Ashkenazis show roots in
Europe 10,000 to 20,000 years ago. So do most of
the minor founders, the study found. Only 8% of the
mitochondrial DNA shows signs of being from the
Near East.
Gil Atzmon, of the Albert Einstein College of
Medicine in New York, who led the research,
argued that there had been some evidence of mass
conversions, especially of women, to Judaism
throughout the Mediterranean in the past. That resulted in about 6 million citizens, or a tenth of
the Roman population, who were Jewish.
The practical meaning of this information is simple and far from being new. Ashkenazi Jews are
not Semitic and have no roots in Palestine. Needless to say that neither Alan Dershowitz nor Max
Blumenthal or myself look particularly oriental. So if Jews are neither a race nor Semitic what is
it that bonds them together? The answer is an extreme form of tribal ethnocentrism AKA racism.
In short, Jews are not a race but Jewish secular culture is racist to the bone.
Both Zionists and the so-called ‘anti’ are operating within ethnocentric and racially exclusive
cells. Israel is the Jews-only State, but it opponents the JVP, IJAB, Jewish Socialist Group etc.
are similarly Jews-only political gatherings.
But if Jewish politics is racist, exclusive and often abusive, what exactly legitimizes its anti-
racist mantra?
The government of Israel rests its entire policy of seizing Palestine and the
surrounding lands of Eratz Israel on the Jews all being the direct pure descendants
of the biblical Hebrews, and that their imaginary playmate in the sky has given the
lands form the Nile to the Euphrates to them. But the vast majority of present-day
Jews are the Ashkenazi and there there is considerable evidence that the Ashkenazi
are the descendants of Central Asian Khazars who were converted to Judaism in
about 800AD. The most obvious indicator is their skin coloration, which does not at
all look like it comes from Middle Eastern ancestors. Arthur Koestler wrote a book
in 1976 called "The Thirteenth Tribe" laying out the historical background of this
conversion and migration. In short, Khazaria, wishing to trade with Christians to the
north and Muslims to the south, declared Judaism to be the state religion, and
imported Rabbis to teach the new faith. The plan worked for about 100 years, then
Khazaria fell and the descendants of the converted Jews migrated north into Russia
and west into Europe.
The above study is just the latest in a long line of genetic research showing that the
Ashkenazi are not in fact the children of the Israelites, and their ancestral lands are
actually north of the Caucasus mountains.
Ecclesiastes 7:16
Do not be overrighteous, neither be overwise— why destroy yourself?

“abstractions of thought...”

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#11373 Oct 13, 2013
No Comment wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, and you STILL have yet to list one yourself.
I have multiple times.
No Comment wrote:
Trouble comprehending the reading material?
No. But that would seem to be the case with you with your continued demands of me to summarize the case results and spoon feed them to you.
No Comment wrote:
Or are you just too lazy?
The lazy one is you, who is unwilling to read the posts made during your frequent absences from the thread. Not my problem.
The Worlds Biggest Lie

Pittsfield, MA

#11374 Oct 13, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
Ecclesiastes 7:16
Do not be overrighteous, neither be overwise— why destroy yourself?
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."

-Marcus Tullius Cicero

Someone's doing a good job destroying America.
The Worlds Biggest Lie

Pittsfield, MA

#11375 Oct 13, 2013
You my friend are a traitor.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#11377 Oct 13, 2013
Did anyone ever notice that someone from New Port Richey has trouble living up to her name? And never has anything worth saying, anyhow?

Since: Aug 11

Scotts Valley, CA

#11378 Oct 13, 2013
The Worlds Biggest Lie wrote:
<quoted text>
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."
-Marcus Tullius Cicero
Someone's doing a good job destroying America.
The TeaTards are trying to destroy America but they will fail.

Since: Aug 11

Scotts Valley, CA

#11379 Oct 13, 2013
The Worlds Biggest Lie wrote:
You my friend are a traitor.
I'm not your friend.
The Worlds Biggest Lie

Pittsfield, MA

#11380 Oct 13, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
Did anyone ever notice that someone from New Hampshire has trouble living up to her name? And never has anything worth saying, anyhow?
You shouldn't be so hard on your mother.

“abstractions of thought...”

Since: Apr 08

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#11383 Oct 13, 2013
Wise_Crack_er wrote:
Frequent absences?
lmao....man, you need a life.
If you want to participate in a discussion, then stay engaged. Others aren't obligated to coddle your limited attention span and juvenile demands.
Wise_Crack_er wrote:
Anyway...you're the lazy one. I asked you to enumerate this compelling state interests in denying individuals YOU disagree with the same equal protection of law you're hypocritically demanding
I have. You neither want to read the posts in which have done so nor read the case citations. Your laziness isn't my problem.
Wise_Crack_er wrote:
...and you only response has been "look it up yourself".
That's sad.
Sorry if the fact I'm not your personal secretary is such a crushing blow to your ego.

“abstractions of thought...”

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#11385 Oct 13, 2013
Wise_Crack_er wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, but I have a job, and a life. There's a lot more going on in my world than typing the same three phrases out over and over again thinking it's going to change anyone's mind.
You seem to have sufficient time to post in Topix and get yourself banned routinely.
Wise_Crack_er wrote:
I made no "demands", crybaby, I simply pointed out that you're too lazy to state your case and resort to posting links and whining "look it up yourself".
The lazy one is you who snivels they're too busy to bother to read previous posts and whines incessantly for others to repost comments made multiple times already to coddle their laziness.
Wise_Crack_er wrote:
I know. A BUNCH of times.
Well, at least you seem to be able to read current posts even if too lazy to read prior ones.
Wise_Crack_er wrote:
You're right. I just wanted to see if you had any clue what you were babbling about.
You aren't qualified to evaluate that.
Wise_Crack_er wrote:
No,....YOUR's is. And recognizing it will finally be half your battle.
Refusing to coddle a troll like you isn't laziness. If you get banned again, all these posts will simply disappear as they did the last time when you posted as Groucho Marxist. Then you'll drag your sorry ass back here again at some point and make the same demands that others waste their time.
Wise_Crack_er wrote:
Get over yourself, sweety...you couldn't crush OR blow me, no matter how much you wish.
No doubt you have to pay people to blow you.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#11387 Oct 13, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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I guess that MUST be the only reason heterosexual couples marry, right? Just for the benefits? Those greedy SOB's.........sorry, but it's really NONE of your concern why ANY couple get's married........I know I married for a lot more reasons than just the benefits:-)
Opposite sex couples.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#11388 Oct 13, 2013
Terra Firma wrote:
<quoted text>
Anti-bigamy laws: REYNOLDS v. U.S., 98 U.S. 145 (1878).
Anti-incest laws: State v. Lowe, 112 Ohio St.3d 507, 2007-Ohio-606
<quoted text>
When you can cite the research that substantiates being attracted to multiple partners or blood relatives is driven by an innate characteristic like sexual orientation, then I will entertain your assertion they are comparable.
Amazing that despite "innate characteristic", there are gay men, Josh Weed for example who have married, and are still married, and have fathered children, the old fashioned way, coitus, with their wife. Or women who once identified as lesbians are now married to a man, and have children by him.

“abstractions of thought...”

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#11391 Oct 13, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Amazing that despite "innate characteristic", there are gay men, Josh Weed for example who have married, and are still married, and have fathered children, the old fashioned way, coitus, with their wife. Or women who once identified as lesbians are now married to a man, and have children by him.
People can and do act in ways that aren't always congruent with innate characteristics. Some straight men in prison will engage in sex with other men if that's the only available sexual outlet. Right handed people can do things like a left handed person out of necessity or choice. Neither changes the person's innate sexual orientation or handedness.

And from the little I've read on Josh's website, he knew he was gay long before he actually married his wife and she was aware f that fact as well. However, he apparently is also very motivated to live his life in accordance with his Mormon religious beliefs. So much so, that he was able to forge and maintain a bond of sexual intimacy with his wife that transcended his sexual attraction to men. It obviously works for him and his wife and more power to them since they both seem happy.

However, it is irrational and unreasonable to expect all gays to follow in Josh's footsteps when their life paths and experiences are vastly different. Nor does his experience invalidate the assertion sexual orientation is innate as Josh readily admits he is still sexually attracted to men.

“abstractions of thought...”

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#11393 Oct 13, 2013
Wise_Crack_er wrote:
I can do that without even posting.
Just register an account with the name ohReally and see what happens...lol!
Given Topix has essentially done away with its rules of conduct and barely moderates forums, you must have gotten yourself on some kind of permanent blacklist, really pissed off a particular Mod who's made you a special project or post really offensive crap elsewhere because what you've posted in this thread has been relatively innocuous as far as Topix goes.
Wise_Crack_er wrote:
OK, your obsession with my sexuality is becoming disturbing.
Eyes up HERE, sailor....
Obsession? LOL. Quite the fantasy life you have there, sport.

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#11394 Oct 14, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Is sexual identity a recent human construct?
Jesus was a homosexual. If read the texts, it's obvious.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

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#11395 Oct 14, 2013
We join with fiscal conservatives against radical social change. All conservatives are natural allies.

“Fun or death!”

Since: Jul 13

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#11396 Oct 14, 2013
the light has come wrote:
I have seen this push for marriage is not the end of the gay community trying to force and acceptance in today`s society. Free speech is in jeopardy even with a Constitutional right to speak freely. Hate speech is the next step. Even now if people speak out against the gay agenda, they back peddle in fear of losing their popularity. People in public office finding they can not openly speak against the gay agenda without putting their job in jeopardy. The law makers may be trying to to do the right thing to be PC but not looking at inconsequential results in their decision.
I see your logic there. Popularity is lost, due to what they think. I'm still a devoted suppourter of gay rights, but I understand your point.

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