Driver, Mich., Office Won't Change Na...

Driver, Mich., Office Won't Change Name After Gay Marriage

There are 20 comments on the EDGE story from Dec 31, 2013, titled Driver, Mich., Office Won't Change Name After Gay Marriage. In it, EDGE reports that:

Don't count on driver's license officials in Michigan accepting name changes for gay marrieds.

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Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#1 Dec 31, 2013
Oh Goodie! Another lawsuit!

This is getting fun!
Christsharia Law

Philadelphia, PA

#2 Dec 31, 2013
Couldn't this policy be used to facilitate identity or other fraud? Just rack up $200k of credit card bills under your not married-married name and maybe they won't be able to legally serve you with the civil lawsuit to recover the debt.

Because that's not your legal name due to Michigan law.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#3 Dec 31, 2013
Ah, my current state of residence strikes again.

I'm hoping the judge overturns our ban in 2014, or the voters act in 2016. I already have property in Maine, so I'm not sure how much longer I'm sticking it out.

I've fought the good fight long enough; life is simply too short to waste any more time in a hate-state.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#4 Dec 31, 2013
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette 1943
"The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections."

AMENDMENT XIV SECTION 1.
" ... No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Article VI [Legal Status of the Constitution]
This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

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Constitution of the United States
Article. 3.
"The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State;—between Citizens of different States;—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects."
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Constitution of the United States
Amendment. I.
"Congress shall make no law ... abridging ... the right of the people ... to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
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"It is emphatically the province and duty of the Judicial Department to say what the law is. Those who apply the rule to particular cases must, of necessity, expound and interpret that rule. If two laws conflict with each other, the Courts must decide on the operation of each."
- Chief Justice John Marshall; Marbury v Madison, 5 U.S. 137 (1803)
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"The courts were designed to be an intermediate body between the people and the legislature, in order, among other things, to keep the latter within the limits assigned to their authority. The interpretation of the laws is the proper and peculiar province of the courts. A constitution is, in fact, and must be regarded by the judges as, a fundamental law. It, therefore, belongs to them to ascertain its meaning, as well as the meaning of any particular act proceeding from the legislative body. If there should happen to be an irreconcilable variance between the two, that which has the superior obligation and validity ought, of course, to be preferred; or, in other words, the Constitution ought to be preferred to the statute, the intention of the people to the intention of their agents."
- Alexander Hamilton; Federalist No. 78
(My thanks to Snyper for his additions to my original of this)
Larry

Richardson, TX

#5 Dec 31, 2013
I though that the State was broke. Law suit. and suit and so on tell they get it. This is just another barrier to break.
Christsharia Law

Philadelphia, PA

#6 Dec 31, 2013
Larry wrote:
I though that the State was broke. Law suit. and suit and so on tell they get it. This is just another barrier to break.
The state is not broke relative to most other states. In fact, the areas around Detroit are doing quite well.

This is also true for much lamented, Camden, NJ, and its surrounding County, and I'm sure for a lot of other distressed cities. It's not about wealth per se, it's about distribution, or lack thereof, of wealth.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#7 Dec 31, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Ah, my current state of residence strikes again.
I'm hoping the judge overturns our ban in 2014, or the voters act in 2016. I already have property in Maine, so I'm not sure how much longer I'm sticking it out.
I've fought the good fight long enough; life is simply too short to waste any more time in a hate-state.
MAINE !?!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#8 Jan 1, 2014
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
MAINE !?!
Yes, Maine.

They were the first state to vote in marriage equality entirely on the "will of the people". Plus it's a mostly rural state with a reasonable cost of living and plenty of outdoor activities in a 4 season climate.

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#9 Jan 1, 2014
A piece of good news for a change...Won't last long though. I'm sure it's just a matter of time before the Secretary of State caves into the pressure of the gay "marriage" mob, just like the rest of the testicular lacking pansies as of late.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#10 Jan 1, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, Maine.
They were the first state to vote in marriage equality entirely on the "will of the people". Plus it's a mostly rural state with a reasonable cost of living and plenty of outdoor activities in a 4 season climate.
And a very rugged-pretty coastline.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#11 Jan 1, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
A piece of good news for a change...Won't last long though. I'm sure it's just a matter of time before the Secretary of State caves into the pressure of the gay "marriage" mob, just like the rest of the testicular lacking pansies as of late.
Regarding your avatar ...

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#12 Jan 1, 2014
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Regarding your avatar ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =WeEC6inR-2YXX
What about it? I didn't use Clint's bio picture. I used a pic of his fictional, yet based in reality character, who was a hard hitting, badass gunfighter who wouldn't have put up with such tomfoolery.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#13 Jan 1, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
A piece of good news for a change...Won't last long though. I'm sure it's just a matter of time before the Secretary of State caves into the pressure of the gay "marriage" mob, just like the rest of the testicular lacking pansies as of late.
Actually a federal judge is likely to rule Michigan's marriage ban unconstitutional, just like happened in Utah. The case will be heard in Feb, with a ruling likely shortly after that.
Christians In Name Only

Philadelphia, PA

#14 Jan 1, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
<quoted text>What about it? I didn't use Clint's bio picture. I used a pic of his fictional, yet based in reality character, who was a hard hitting, badass gunfighter who wouldn't have put up with such tomfoolery.
That figures, since fundies and gun kookkks and tee baggrz ignoramuses live in unreality.

Too bad the RNC didn't invite one of Clint's characters to come speak at the Convention instead of Clint himself....

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#15 Jan 1, 2014
Christians In Name Only wrote:
That figures, since fundies and gun kookkks and tee baggrz ignoramuses live in unrealit.
Yes, that figures. Juvenile name calling and typical left wing drivel that one would expect from your side.

Funny, you demand I be tolerant of your lifestyles and beliefs, while being 100% intollerant of mine. Very telling...
Christians In Name Only

Philadelphia, PA

#16 Jan 1, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, that figures. Juvenile name calling and typical left wing drivel that one would expect from your side.
Funny, you demand I be tolerant of your lifestyles and beliefs, while being 100% intollerant of mine. Very telling...
Hey Cletus, no one cares what sexually sick, phobic scum think. This is about equal rights. You go on being bigoted until your dirt nap.

I never said that sick freaks who can't distinguish between fiction and reality may not marry, adopt, be protected from arbitrary discrimination, serve openly.

See Jethro, "being a bigot" and "calling out bigots" are not the same thing. Okay, trash?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#17 Jan 1, 2014
Based in reality? You're an idiot. Leone based the "Quiet Man" on american film tropes like john wayne and gary cooper..simple, taciturn, and pretty well UNrealistic. The reality is that most westerners never shot their gun at anything more evolved than snakes and coyotes, unless they were hunting food. There's more gunplay in one Leone flick than most western states saw in a year.
Sneaky Pete wrote:
<quoted text>What about it? I didn't use Clint's bio picture. I used a pic of his fictional, yet based in reality character, who was a hard hitting, badass gunfighter who wouldn't have put up with such tomfoolery.

Since: Oct 10

San Francisco

#18 Jan 1, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, that figures. Juvenile name calling and typical left wing drivel that one would expect from your side.
Funny, you demand I be tolerant of your lifestyles and beliefs, while being 100% intollerant of mine. Very telling...
Juvenile name calling? What's "very telling" is that you've already forgotten post #9. Either that or you're not bright enough to realize the hypocrisy.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#19 Jan 1, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, Maine.
They were the first state to vote in marriage equality entirely on the "will of the people". Plus it's a mostly rural state with a reasonable cost of living and plenty of outdoor activities in a 4 season climate.
I'm loving how "the will of the people" is being ignored by the very people who used to use that as their battle cry. The "will of the people" made it illegal for bigots to discriminate in their businesses and suddenly the anti-gays are howling and gnashing their teeth.

The "will of the people" said Michigan would recognise marriages from other States. When Michigan became a State the 'will of the people' also said they would make the U.S. Constitution the Supreme Law of the land.

As for voting to ban SSM, Michigan will face the same fate Utah is facing.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#20 Jan 1, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, that figures. Juvenile name calling and typical left wing drivel that one would expect from your side.
Funny, you demand I be tolerant of your lifestyles and beliefs, while being 100% intollerant of mine. Very telling...
Except I am very tolerant of your lifestyle Pete. I firmly believe everyone has the right to make an ass of himself.

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