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Supreme Court Will Review DOMA, Prop 8 Challenges

There are 1477 comments on the EDGE story from Dec 20, 2012, titled Supreme Court Will Review DOMA, Prop 8 Challenges. In it, EDGE reports that:

On December 7, marriage equality proponents heard the news they'd been waiting to hear: that the Supreme Court will review whether the Defense of Marriage Act and California's Proposition 8 violate the Equal Protection clause of the Constitution.

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Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#1422 Feb 2, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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It amazes me that you can't see the parallels between you and racists.
It amazes me how you cling to the racism issue when it has nothing to do with homosexuality. Two different issues.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#1423 Feb 2, 2013
Tony C wrote:
<quoted text>
You seem to have a fundamentally defective brain.
Society is not telling skinny kids or fat kids or kids with pimples or short kids that they were born wrong and going to hell for it, or that they chose to be fat or skinny, or that they're going to be thrown out of the house for having pimples.
You are an absolute worthless moron.
Your kids are going to live in a world that ridicules people like you, just like we ridicule racists now.
I don't care how you are affected by the stigma that homosexuality has on some gays, that's your personal problem. ALL kids should be protected from bullying. ALL kids should have a safe school to go to. Some kids get get thrown out of their hoes because they're obnoxious, it wouldn't surprise me if you fell into that category.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#1424 Feb 2, 2013
DaveinMass wrote:
<quoted text>
I noticed you removed and did not answer my first question (the topic under discussion) and removed my explanation as to why I answered no to the question you sort of answered. Again, you did not answer the third question.
So I'll further remove any ambiguity.
Are gay kids taunted BECAUSE OF THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION that results in them attempting suicide?
Are straight kids taunted BECAUSE OF THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION that results in them attempting suicide?
Are gay kids thrown out of their homes BECAUSE OF THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION?
Are straight kids thrown out of their homes BECAUSE OF THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION?
<quoted text>
All tragic and why schools are attempting to address the issues of bullying from the earliest grades.
And here's a fact for you: Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and questioning youth are up to four times more likely to attempt suicide than their heterosexual peers.
If the taunting LGBT kids received was all the same (those issues you listed above) wouldn't they have the same rates of attempting suicide? Gee, what additional taunting do LGBT kids get that would account for this increased rate?
My point went right over your empty head. See, you're stuck on gay kids and screw the rest. I think a kid is a kid. Gay kids have higher attempted and successful suicide rates because more of them feel rejected by society. Every kid, gay or straight, that attempts suicide feels this same rejection. Gay kids are no more important than any other kid. A kid is a kid. All suicides are tragedies. Sexual orientation is just one reason kids are bullied, it's no more important than ANY other reason if it leads to suicide.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#1425 Feb 2, 2013
DaveinMass wrote:
But because these other types of bullying are experienced by children regardless of sexual orientation, bringing them into the discussion about bullying BECAUSE OF SEXUAL ORIENTATION does nothing to shed light on the issue under discussion.
The issue is bullying. One reason for it is no more important than another. It's the end result that matters. If you want to believe that gay kids are more important than straight kids, go ahead, I don't care.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#1426 Feb 2, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
It amazes me how you cling to the racism issue when it has nothing to do with homosexuality. Two different issues.
As usual, you miss the point.

You have one situation where people have an irrational aversion to other people (racists) and they are now looked back on with shame.

You are repeating the scenario. People have an irrational aversion to other people (homophobes) and they are now looked back on with shame.

It doesn't matter if one was skin color and one was sexual orientation. You could also use the example of gender or religion.

Either way, you're the bad guy in the story.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#1427 Feb 2, 2013
Tony C wrote:
People have an irrational aversion to other people (homophobes) and they are now looked back on with shame.
It doesn't matter if one was skin color and one was sexual orientation. You could also use the example of gender or religion.
Either way, you're the bad guy in the story.
This "irrational aversion" has more to do with you than reality. No one cares. You are no more or less a citizen than anyone else. You are no more or less a human being than anyone else. Any respect you get will have to be earned, it's the same for everyone. You aren't special.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#1428 Feb 2, 2013
Tony C wrote:
It doesn't matter if one was skin color and one was sexual orientation. You could also use the example of gender or religion.
Either way, you're the bad guy in the story.
The bad guy is always the one that wants ALL kids to have a safe school environment. You must be the idiot in the story.

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#1429 Feb 2, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
It amazes me how you cling to the racism issue when it has nothing to do with homosexuality. Two different issues.
And yet you are the one spouting the all bullying is the same and should be treated equally.

Isn't discrimination all the same regardless of the source or cause?

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#1430 Feb 2, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
This "irrational aversion" has more to do with you than reality. No one cares. You are no more or less a citizen than anyone else. You are no more or less a human being than anyone else. Any respect you get will have to be earned, it's the same for everyone. You aren't special.
No one cares? Then why do you spend so much time of gay themed threads?

No one cares? Then why do people advocate that gays and lesbians should be denied rights?

No one cares? Then why do people believe that gays and lesbians should be denied jobs?

I don't care about respect from you. I sure don't respect you. But I demand that we are both treated equally under the law. Something not currently happening. See the underlying article for this thread as proof of that statement.

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#1431 Feb 2, 2013
Wondering wrote:
My point went right over your empty head. See, you're stuck on gay kids and screw the rest. I think a kid is a kid. Gay kids have higher attempted and successful suicide rates because more of them feel rejected by society. Every kid, gay or straight, that attempts suicide feels this same rejection. Gay kids are no more important than any other kid. A kid is a kid. All suicides are tragedies. Sexual orientation is just one reason kids are bullied, it's no more important than ANY other reason if it leads to suicide.
No, you missed the point. Answer the four questions.

1) Are gay kids taunted BECAUSE OF THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION that results in them attempting suicide?

2) Are straight kids taunted BECAUSE OF THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION that results in them attempting suicide?

3) Are gay kids thrown out of their homes BECAUSE OF THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION?

4) Are straight kids thrown out of their homes BECAUSE OF THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION?

My answers:
1) Yes
2) No
3) Yes
4) No
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#1432 Feb 2, 2013
DaveinMass wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet you are the one spouting the all bullying is the same and should be treated equally.
Isn't discrimination all the same regardless of the source or cause?
Like I said, if you want to think you're special then go ahead.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#1433 Feb 2, 2013
DaveinMass wrote:
<quoted text>
No one cares? Then why do you spend so much time of gay themed threads?
I care about what gays are trying to do to families and children that want no part of homosexuality in their lives. They don't want teachers and gay advocates telling their kids what to think. That's their job. Mind your own business and then we'll mind ours. You aren't special and no one cares that you're gay. Do you get it now? Will you ever get it?

I only visit the Massachusetts Forum. Why do gay threads keep popping up in this forum? Don't answer that, I know why.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#1434 Feb 2, 2013
DaveinMass wrote:
No, you missed the point. Answer the four questions.
1) Are gay kids taunted BECAUSE OF THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION that results in them attempting suicide?
2) Are straight kids taunted BECAUSE OF THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION that results in them attempting suicide?
3) Are gay kids thrown out of their homes BECAUSE OF THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION?
4) Are straight kids thrown out of their homes BECAUSE OF THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION?
My answers:
1) Yes
2) No
3) Yes
4) No
My answer for all questions:
I don't care about your sexual orientation.
Bullying is a big problem and it can be dramatically reduced without pandering to gays.

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#1435 Feb 2, 2013
Wondering wrote:
Like I said, if you want to think you're special then go ahead.
You really are a piece of work. What does that statement even have to do with my post? Other than to deflect and evade the issue on your part.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#1436 Feb 2, 2013
DaveinMass wrote:
<quoted text>
You really are a piece of work. What does that statement even have to do with my post? Other than to deflect and evade the issue on your part.
Your post is stupid and self-centered.
The problem is bullying, not gay bullying.
Who cares why you were bullied, it shouldn't have happened.
Telling 5 year old kids that gays 'exist' isn't going to do a f'n thing to change how you are or were treated.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#1437 Feb 2, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
The issue is bullying. One reason for it is no more important than another. It's the end result that matters. If you want to believe that gay kids are more important than straight kids, go ahead, I don't care.
Bullying is only one issue.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#1438 Feb 2, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
This "irrational aversion" has more to do with you than reality. No one cares. You are no more or less a citizen than anyone else. You are no more or less a human being than anyone else. Any respect you get will have to be earned, it's the same for everyone. You aren't special.
You really can't seem to follow a conversation.

The correct answer was, "Oh yeah, now I see why you're comparing homophobia to racism."

Instead you went off on a bizarre tangent.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#1439 Feb 2, 2013
DaveinMass wrote:
<quoted text>
No, you missed the point. Answer the four questions.
1) Are gay kids taunted BECAUSE OF THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION that results in them attempting suicide?
2) Are straight kids taunted BECAUSE OF THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION that results in them attempting suicide?
3) Are gay kids thrown out of their homes BECAUSE OF THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION?
4) Are straight kids thrown out of their homes BECAUSE OF THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION?
My answers:
1) Yes
2) No
3) Yes
4) No
He has a very hard time following threads. He says one thing, you respond to it, and he goes a third direction rather than respond to what you said.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#1440 Feb 2, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
I care about what gays are trying to do to families and children that want no part of homosexuality in their lives. They don't want teachers and gay advocates telling their kids what to think.
It doesn't matter what they want. Gay people are equal and that will be reflected in public schools. They have no obligation to cater to prejudice. The burden is on you to take your kids out of public schools if you require special treatment.

The days of institutionalized homophobia are over.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#1441 Feb 2, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Your post is stupid and self-centered.
The problem is bullying, not gay bullying.
Who cares why you were bullied, it shouldn't have happened.
Telling 5 year old kids that gays 'exist' isn't going to do a f'n thing to change how you are or were treated.
No, the problem is ignorance and misinformation about a segment of the population. Bullying is only a part of that.

You don't get to be prejudiced against gay people in a public school anymore.

The racists also thought it was against their religion to integrate black students in public schools. They got out of the public schools or they got over it. That is your fate as well.

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