Supreme Court Will Review DOMA, Prop 8 Challenges

Dec 20, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: EDGE

On December 7, marriage equality proponents heard the news they'd been waiting to hear: that the Supreme Court will review whether the Defense of Marriage Act and California's Proposition 8 violate the Equal Protection clause of the Constitution.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#961 Jan 20, 2013
Ooops, forgot the "tale".....
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#962 Jan 20, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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I guess you thought you were making a point here?
I've come to expect you people not to get it.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#963 Jan 20, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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Do it at home. Then millions of straight families can go back to not caring what you do.
Nope, we'll do it in the public school wherever and whenever we can, because that's when we have the opportunity to correct what bigoted parents brainwashed their kids with.

Just as we teach them in public school that the earth is more than 5,000 years old and is round and revolves around the sun, in case their ignorant parents taught them otherwise.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#964 Jan 20, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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Nope, that's not good enough.
Children in public schools will be taught that treating other kids differently because they or their parents are gay is wrong.
If you don't like it, it's on you to pay for private schooling or to home school.
I don't think so. Anti-bullying programs are fine, pro-gay programs are not.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#965 Jan 20, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Nope, brainwashing is teaching someone something which isn't necessarily true
against their will.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#966 Jan 20, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Ooops, forgot the "tale".....
That puts it in a whole new light. The first was more accurate.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#967 Jan 20, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Nope, we'll do it in the public school wherever and whenever we can,
That really limits your options.

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#968 Jan 20, 2013
Wondering wrote:
But they won't be recognized as legally married in most states or by the federal government. You have to meet the state requirements.
But that is the issue before the court and the topic of this thread. I don't think DOMA has much of a chance to survive past June 30th. And when DOMA falls, they will already be married.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#969 Jan 20, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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against their will.
Children don't have the capacity to give legal consent, so it's impossible to determine if something is being done with their consent or if they were coerced into it.

For example, let's look at the 2 most common myths associated with religion- Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. Presents and candy doled out to children to entice them into religion at an early age before they are capable of drawing rational conclusions based on the evidence. Seems like coercion to me.

You also claim you have the right to raise your children however you want, which would have to include the right to brainwash them I guess.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#970 Jan 20, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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That really limits your options.
Then why are you so worried about it?

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#971 Jan 20, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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I don't think so. Anti-bullying programs are fine, pro-gay programs are not.
You don't have much choice unless you are on the School Board.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#972 Jan 21, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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You don't have much choice unless you are on the School Board.
I vote, this town isn't part of the problem anyway.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#973 Jan 21, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Children don't have the capacity to give legal consent, so it's impossible to determine if something is being done with their consent or if they were coerced into it.
For example, let's look at the 2 most common myths associated with religion- Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. Presents and candy doled out to children to entice them into religion at an early age before they are capable of drawing rational conclusions based on the evidence. Seems like coercion to me.
You also claim you have the right to raise your children however you want, which would have to include the right to brainwash them I guess.
"Presents and candy doled out to children to entice them into religion at an early age before they are capable of drawing rational conclusions based on the evidence."

That's hilarious. They are just children's holidays for most. People that are religious or not celebrate them. I have Jewish friends that celebrate Christmas. Any time I passed out or received a Christmas present there was never any mention of church or religion. Bottom line here is that if people want their kids to follow their religion it's their choice. No such choice was available to David Parker and others.

"You also claim you have the right to raise your children however you want, which would have to include the right to brainwash them I guess."

Another hilarious and equally ridiculous assumption. Your definition of brainwashing is my definition of parental guidance and you've already admitted guilt.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#974 Jan 21, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Then why are you so worried about it?
Worried? No.
Offended? Yes. Every offense should be met with a strong defense.

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#975 Jan 21, 2013
Wondering wrote:
I don't think so. Anti-bullying programs are fine, pro-gay programs are not.
You seem to lack the ability to indicate that the latter is affected by allowing same sex marriage, or that school curricula are affected by same.

Feel free to grown a grown up argument. I don't think you are capable of doing so.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#976 Jan 21, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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........ Bottom line here is that if people want their kids to follow their religion it's their choice. No such choice was available to David Parker and others.
.......
Who forced him to follow a certain religion? No one.

Did a school teach kids simple and benign truths about other people that would in no way harm them and can only make them more educated and tolerant of natural and harmless differences between the people that make up their world?

And isn't David Parker that radical anti-gay nut job that got himself arrested over his horror about a book that included gay couples in the concept of FAMILY? A book that was NOT even REQUIRED reading at his children's school?

His whole desire was to censor what OTHER parents could let their own children read?

Yep.

Sounds like you type of man.

Likely.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#977 Jan 21, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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I don't think so. Anti-bullying programs are fine, pro-gay programs are not.
Of course they are fine.

And necessary, since there are gay kids in every single classroom, and families with same sex parents in every school. Every single child in every single classroom is already surrounded by gay folks, and will continue to be for the rest of their lives.

Pretending this is not the case isn't something any school can afford to do.

It would be irresponsible to NOT teach that gay folks are a normal and productive part of society. It's a school's responsibility to teach children about the world around them.

You would be making as much sense if you wanted to ban teaching anything about black people, or very tall people, or blind people, simply because you choose to distrust or fear them.

Sorry, not going to happen simply because people like you start fantasizing about gay people having sex whenever you think you have encountered a gay person. It's far better to prevent this sort of diseased thinking early.

We certainly aren't going to cater to it.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#978 Jan 21, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Who forced him to follow a certain religion? No one.
Did a school teach kids simple and benign truths about other people that would in no way harm them and can only make them more educated and tolerant of natural and harmless differences between the people that make up their world?
And isn't David Parker that radical anti-gay nut job that got himself arrested over his horror about a book that included gay couples in the concept of FAMILY? A book that was NOT even REQUIRED reading at his children's school?
His whole desire was to censor what OTHER parents could let their own children read?
Yep.
Sounds like you type of man.
Likely.
You forgot to put quotes around "man." LOL.

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#979 Jan 21, 2013
Quest wrote:
His whole desire was to censor what OTHER parents could let their own children read?
Yep.
Sounds like you type of man.
Likely.
Only someone like Wondering, the idiot, would consistently cite a court case where the court decided AGAINST their position. An intelligent person would cite a court case that supported their argument.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#980 Jan 21, 2013
Quest wrote:
And isn't David Parker that radical anti-gay nut job that got himself arrested over his horror about a book that included gay couples in the concept of FAMILY? A book that was NOT even REQUIRED reading at his children's school?
His whole desire was to censor what OTHER parents could let their own children read?
Yep.
Sounds like you type of man.
Likely.
If David Parker became radical he had good reason. If you can't opt out of reading a gay story book or a gay discussion class it is required reading. His "desire" was to opt his kids out, it wasn't to stop the school from pushing gay story books on OTHER parents. You can read whatever you like, at home. I see you're still stuck on stupid.

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