African American Pastors For And Agai...

African American Pastors For And Against Same Sex Marriage

There are 154 comments on the WUSA-TV Washington story from Sep 22, 2012, titled African American Pastors For And Against Same Sex Marriage. In it, WUSA-TV Washington reports that:

We heard two different coalitions of African American pastors taking very different and very public stances Friday on same-sex marriage.

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DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#62 Sep 23, 2012
snyper wrote:
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Saul's theology is heretical. But indoctrinated to Saulianism, you wouldn't recognize that.
Yup.

“NOW will ya give me”

Since: Sep 12

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#63 Sep 23, 2012
LEW777 wrote:
<quoted text>So, a person either believes the bible IS inspired by GOD, or it's not. If they belive it's not, you will see the picking and choosing of WHAT THEY WANT TO BELIEVE. See, people know enough that GOD exist, Jesus exist, there so much validity and even common sense to the bible. But people simply WANT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT, NOT WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS.
Yup
LEW777

Long Beach, CA

#64 Sep 23, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Yes I've heard that line before. It's very convenient that somehow the death of Jesus gave Paul permission to revise an entire religion according to what he did and didn't like.
You say we are saved by grace. Many clergy agree with you. But often they then make an about face and say "behavior" is what matters.
If we are saved by Acts then was it necessary for Jesus to die?
A person IS NOT saved by acts. However, if a person "lives" as an adulterer, liar, fornicator etc...then those "acts" point to them not being saved. Again Paul,(yea Paul) states Rom 3:28

“NOW will ya give me”

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#65 Sep 23, 2012
LEW777 wrote:
<quoted text>A person IS NOT saved by acts. However, if a person "lives" as an adulterer, liar, fornicator etc...then those "acts" point to them not being saved. Again Paul,(yea Paul) states Rom 3:28
I agree.
the voice of reason

Danville, IL

#66 Sep 23, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>"Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live." Oscar Wilde
It is better to obey God than man.

“NOW will ya give me”

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#67 Sep 23, 2012
the voice of reason wrote:
<quoted text>It is better to obey God than man.
He's often not very clear in what He wants or commands.
the voice of reason

Danville, IL

#68 Sep 23, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>It also says don't eat shrimp or prok.
Why are you bring food up when it is not what this thread is about.
the voice of reason

Danville, IL

#69 Sep 23, 2012
TucksunJack wrote:
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He's often not very clear in what He wants or commands.
Maybe in some areas there is little understanding and in other areas there is no doubt. When people trying to find a loop hole, they make excuses.
Clark

Haslet, TX

#70 Sep 23, 2012
wtf

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#71 Sep 23, 2012
the voice of reason wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe in some areas there is little understanding and in other areas there is no doubt. When people trying to find a loop hole, they make excuses.
The bible commands that your treat your slaves well. Does gof therefore condone one human owning another ?

Thew bible commands that children who do not honor their parents shall be put to death and that children who mock their parents shall have their eyes plucked out.

If fundamentalist Christians profess to follow the bible literally in it's entirety, then why are these COMMANDS OF GOD being ignored ? Were they NOT "divinely inspired" when they were written ?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#72 Sep 23, 2012
the voice of reason wrote:
<quoted text>As I said I never heard of them going to court.
I was not back in 1878. Since I been on planet earth there is not been media covering any group of people demanding the laws to change like what we have for SSM.
Just because you weren't around doesn't mean it didn't happen.

People are so "demanding" these days, wanting equal rights and all that nonsense!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#73 Sep 23, 2012
the voice of reason wrote:
<quoted text>It is better to obey God than man.
Nope, I don't answer to fairytale creatures.

Since: Mar 09

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#74 Sep 23, 2012
TucksunJack wrote:
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Saul was a pharisee, which means that his whole life and identity revolved around The Law. Yet Saul said that he had a vision where he was COMMANDED to abandon The Law and follow the teachings of Christ.
Now either Saul was lying, OR, we can safely abandon the Jewish religious laws of the Old Testament. People are free to make that decision for themselves.
As a Christian, I do NOT believe that "God inspired" the writings that say different cloths should not be mixed, that fields shall be planted a certain way, and that we should treat out slaves justly. I HEREBY PUBLICLY REJECT SUCH LAWS.
Am I now condemned to Hell for that statement ?
I don't think so.
As a Christian, I put MY FAITH AND TRUST in Jesus Christ that He has ALREADY forgiven me and saved me from my sins, those commited in the past, those committed in the present, and those committed yet to come.
There is NO WAY to The Father, EXCEPT thru Him.
All you've asserted (and I agree) is that Biblicism, Inerrancy and Sola Scriptura are hokum.

Your suggestion that Saul might have been lying is certainly a possibility. We say that he was a deluded and self-deluding heretic and apostate. The takes his soteriology and christology of "salvation" and simply ignores it and it's multitude of problems and gospel contradictions.

Really eliminates a whole lot of needless clutter and mental and moral contortions right off the bat. The message stands out with far more clarity without all of his paganized pharisee claptrap and neuroses.

“NOW will ya give me”

Since: Sep 12

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#75 Sep 23, 2012
snyper wrote:
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All you've asserted (and I agree) is that Biblicism, Inerrancy and Sola Scriptura are hokum.
Your suggestion that Saul might have been lying is certainly a possibility. We say that he was a deluded and self-deluding heretic and apostate. The takes his soteriology and christology of "salvation" and simply ignores it and it's multitude of problems and gospel contradictions.
Really eliminates a whole lot of needless clutter and mental and moral contortions right off the bat. The message stands out with far more clarity without all of his paganized pharisee claptrap and neuroses.
I did not assert that Saul was lying. He COULD HAVE BEEN LYING, but i believe he was not ? Why ? Because that is what I choose to believe. And fundamentally, religion is ALL ABOUT what each individual chooses to believe.

Right now, I believe I'll have another beer.

:)
the voice of reason

Danville, IL

#76 Sep 23, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Just because you weren't around doesn't mean it didn't happen.
People are so "demanding" these days, wanting equal rights and all that nonsense!
I did not say it did not happen. You need to read with understanding.
the voice of reason

Danville, IL

#77 Sep 23, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Nope, I don't answer to fairytale creatures.
To you it may be a fairy tale but to millions it is not. This thread is dealing with a religious perspective of AA Pastors on SSM. Since you do not believe in the bible you are on the wrong thread.

“NOW will ya give me”

Since: Sep 12

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#78 Sep 23, 2012
the voice of reason wrote:
<quoted text>To you it may be a fairy tale but to millions it is not. This thread is dealing with a religious perspective of AA Pastors on SSM. Since you do not believe in the bible you are on the wrong thread.
But what those pastors who are against marriage equality are doing is trying to IMPOSE their peculiar religos beliefs, THRU CIVIL LAW, on other Americans THAT DO NOT SHARE THOSE BELIEFS.

Imposing one's religious beliefs, thru civil law, on those people who do not share them, is a violation of the First Amendment's GUARANTEE of religius LIBERTY.
Qwerty26

Lewes, DE

#79 Sep 23, 2012
LEW777 wrote:
<quoted text>Don't forget the title of this particular forum. We are spaeking of African American Pastors, so "3000-plus gods" holds 0 water. Second, no GOD has not personally spoken to me about this issue. He also has not spoken to me about tons of other issues THAT THE BIBLE IS CLEAR ABOUT. So, because I can read, it's not that hard understand. If you have a problem with the bible, that's another topic
"THAT THE BIBLE IS CLEAR ABOUT"

Hmm. There is NOTHING that the bible is clear about. For every little verse you quote and throw around, someone will find another that says the opposite. Your claim that because you can read, you can understand the bible, is a crock. What you understand is your interpretation of the bible, which will be immensely different from many others, who, by the way, can also READ.

Do you have a clue how many times this eternal, never changing, inspired-by-god book has been changed? Not to mention the politics involved in just what separate books were included in, or excluded from, any of today's various versions?

I think your god needs to sit you down and talk to you. Or anybody for that matter. He's been pretty quiet for centuries. Millenia. More like forever. Stop claiming that your ability to "read" gives you some insight, the only "right" insight, to this contorted, confusing, contradictory mass (mess) of scribblings compiled over centuries. There are thousands of theologians who have studied your text, know the original languages in which they were written, and none will claim to have all the answers, unlike you. And I suspect they read at least as well as you, maybe even better. Your arrogance is astounding.

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#80 Sep 24, 2012
TucksunJack wrote:
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I did not assert that Saul was lying. He COULD HAVE BEEN LYING, but i believe he was not ? Why ? Because that is what I choose to believe. And fundamentally, religion is ALL ABOUT what each individual chooses to believe.
Right now, I believe I'll have another beer.
:)
I wrote:

" Your suggestion that Saul might have been lying ... "

I suggest a little less beer goggles.

Since: Mar 09

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#81 Sep 24, 2012
the voice of reason wrote:
<quoted text>To you it may be a fairy tale but to millions it is not. This thread is dealing with a religious perspective of AA Pastors on SSM. Since you do not believe in the bible you are on the wrong thread.
Millions also thought that the "ether" and "animal magnetism" were real, too.

It's not the number of opinions, younster, but the quality.

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