Ray Boltz Comes Out

There are 1084 comments on the Christianity Today story from Sep 13, 2008, titled Ray Boltz Comes Out. In it, Christianity Today reports that:

Ray Boltz, who sold about 4.5 million records before retiring from Christian music a few years ago, came out of the closet Friday to announce that he's gay.

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Since: Nov 07

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#202 Sep 22, 2008
While there has been no "gay gene" discovered, that does not prove that homosexuality, all sexual orientation in fact, is not the result of genetic and biological factors. Recently, a study of the sexual orientation in twins, the largest of its kind ever conducted, determined that all homosexuality in men and for the vast majority of women was the direct result of genetic and biological factors having eliminated such notions as how a person is raised, learned behavior or the result of some traumatic event in childhood. Homosexuality is separate and distinct from any sexual behavior associated with it. A person can be completely homosexual without ever engaging in same sex sexual behavior. It is an orientation, it is the instinctual basis along which the development of our sexuality occurs. It is completely unlike what you refer to as petifilia, more commonly called pedophilia which is a sexual fascination that is based on completely learned behavior, no one talks about a pedophile gene or the behavior being innate for the simple reality that it isn't.
If you are of the belief that God has created humankind in His likeness, that would be an admission that He is responsible for homosexuality given the evidence available. The rality is that homosexuality has exsisted throughout recorded history and beyond as a part of every race, society and culture that has been known to exsist. Either you are claiming it as the world's most widespread and longest lasting "fad" or you're just going to have to wake up to the reality that homosexuality, just like heterosexuality and bisexualty has always been a part of "God's Plan".
Thinkbox wrote:
Homosexuality... As a christian, I am opposed to the notion that God made and accepts the behavior of the gay and lesbian agenda. First, the issue of being "born that way" was derived from 3 scientists who were gay. After mapping out the Humane Genome Project in 03, they have concluded there is no gay gene. I don't understand why we excuse a behavioral pattern of homosexuality? We definitely don't excuse murders and petifiles. We don't look for petifilia genes.
Second, God has designed us to his likeness. A gay couple can't reproduce. The parts don't line up. Its not God's design to have two of the same sex. In addition to the gay gene theory, how can it reproduce itself to the next generation. If there was, eventually it would be extinct.
In conclusion, as a christian I don't support that lifestyle. I don't condemn, that God's job.
george anderson jr

Palm Coast, FL

#203 Sep 22, 2008
Lula B wrote:
<quoted text>
You are both mentally ill; you are willfully ignorant and meanspirited.
how am i mentally ill,i thought you were a christian too.so if im mentally ill so are you.
george anderson jr

Palm Coast, FL

#204 Sep 22, 2008
Lula B wrote:
<quoted text>
You are both mentally ill; you are willfully ignorant and meanspirited.
i thought you were a christian too,hmmm.if you are does that you mentally ill too.
E in Newnan

Sharpsburg, GA

#205 Sep 22, 2008
Second Thoughts wrote:
<quoted text>And I suggest that you start reading your Bible, if you are a Christian.
May I ask what you mean by that? Everything that I said was Biblical and intended for people to see that Jesus is love and we are called to be examples of that love, with limits, when someone willfully chooses sin. It is not for us to judge or be mean spirited; neither is it for us to accept sin.

Since: May 08

Beggs, OK

#206 Sep 22, 2008
Thinkbox wrote:
Homosexuality... As a christian, I am opposed to the notion that God made and accepts the behavior of the gay and lesbian agenda. First, the issue of being "born that way" was derived from 3 scientists who were gay. After mapping out the Humane Genome Project in 03, they have concluded there is no gay gene. I don't understand why we excuse a behavioral pattern of homosexuality? We definitely don't excuse murders and petifiles. We don't look for petifilia genes.
Second, God has designed us to his likeness. A gay couple can't reproduce. The parts don't line up. Its not God's design to have two of the same sex. In addition to the gay gene theory, how can it reproduce itself to the next generation. If there was, eventually it would be extinct.
In conclusion, as a christian I don't support that lifestyle. I don't condemn, that God's job.
I try not to let the Christian bible define "sin" for me since it condones slavery(Lev. 25:44), beating slaves(Exodus 21:20), incest(Genesis 19:33-36), rape victims being required to marry the rapist(Deuteronomy 22:28-29), treating women and children as property(Genesis 19:8, 1 Timothy 2:11-14, 1 Corinthians 14:33-35), requires battered women to remain married to abusive husbands(Matthew 19:9, 1 Corinthians 7:10-12), condones jihad type warfare where all children are killed save the virgins who are a 'reward'(Numbers 31:15), and makes no mention at all of child molestation, the worst possible crime.

The American Medical Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the World Health Organization, the American Counseling Association, the National Association of Social Workers, the Council on Child and Adolescent Health, the American Academy of Pediatrics and even the health ministries in Russia and China say homosexuality isn't a choice, can't be changed, and trying to change it is harmful.

1. Sexuality presents itself in puberty, paraphilias present at all different ages.

2. Paraphilias always have an identifiable cause. Sexualities never have an identifiable cause.

3. Paraphilias are harmful to the victim and to the afflicted. Sexualities are not harmful.

4. Paraphilias are treatable...and the results of change can be shown clearly on a penile plethysmograph. Sexuality has never been shown to change on a plethysmograph.

5. Paraphilias exist on top of a person's sexuality. Homosexuality does not exist on top of heterosexuality. If it did there would be no such thing as homosexuality, there would just be bisexuality.

6. Paraphilias involve ONE condition - attraction to something different from the norm. Homosexuality involves TWO conditions - attraction to something different from the norm AND complete absence of attraction to the opposite sex. If upbringing or choice were the cause or if the condition was treatable, we we would see far more people with either one condition or the other, i.e., bisexuals and asexuals - and homosexuality would be relatively rare. But that's not the case. It is asexuality that is rare and homosexuals are relatively common.

“Ignorance is the enemy”

Since: Aug 08

Boston, MA

#207 Sep 22, 2008
george anderson jr wrote:
<quoted text>how am i mentally ill,i thought you were a christian too.so if im mentally ill so are you.
Being proudly ignorant, willfully so, and possessing a mean spirit is, yes, in my opinion, a form of mental illness; it is a sickness of the mind and of the soul.
E in Newnan

Sharpsburg, GA

#208 Sep 22, 2008
Okay - just because it is in the Bible does not mean it is condoned! The Bible,a book of religion, is also a book of history and thus gives facts. It is the story of the relationship between God and humans. After the fall, people started doing sinful things. These things are then shown in the Bible, not to say that they are okay - in fact, most of the time, the consequences of the sin are shown. None of the people in the Bible, excepting Jesus, are perfect. They all make mistakes, that's why we can relate to them and learn from them.
The Bible also says that vengeance is the Lord's. All of the abusive husbands, pedophiles, murders, slave owners and other sinners who ignore the laws of God will get their punishment in eternity if not here on earth. Because of sin, there will be no peace on earth until the judgment, we will continue to have these unfortunate discussions and Satan has a laugh at our expense. Hopefully, however, the Truth is also revealed and people will see how they can change their lives for the better.

Since: May 08

Beggs, OK

#209 Sep 22, 2008
E in Newnan wrote:
Okay - just because it is in the Bible does not mean it is condoned! The Bible,a book of religion, is also a book of history and thus gives facts. It is the story of the relationship between God and humans. After the fall, people started doing sinful things. These things are then shown in the Bible, not to say that they are okay - in fact, most of the time, the consequences of the sin are shown. None of the people in the Bible, excepting Jesus, are perfect. They all make mistakes, that's why we can relate to them and learn from them.
The Bible also says that vengeance is the Lord's. All of the abusive husbands, pedophiles, murders, slave owners and other sinners who ignore the laws of God will get their punishment in eternity if not here on earth. Because of sin, there will be no peace on earth until the judgment, we will continue to have these unfortunate discussions and Satan has a laugh at our expense. Hopefully, however, the Truth is also revealed and people will see how they can change their lives for the better.
The bible clearly details how it's okay to severely beat your slave in Exodus 21:20. So how do you condone beating slaves without condoning slavery???? I'm really curious.

Since: May 08

Beggs, OK

#210 Sep 22, 2008
E in Newnan wrote:
Okay - just because it is in the Bible does not mean it is condoned! The Bible,a book of religion, is also a book of history and thus gives facts. It is the story of the relationship between God and humans. After the fall, people started doing sinful things. These things are then shown in the Bible, not to say that they are okay - in fact, most of the time, the consequences of the sin are shown. None of the people in the Bible, excepting Jesus, are perfect. They all make mistakes, that's why we can relate to them and learn from them.
The Bible also says that vengeance is the Lord's. All of the abusive husbands, pedophiles, murders, slave owners and other sinners who ignore the laws of God will get their punishment in eternity if not here on earth. Because of sin, there will be no peace on earth until the judgment, we will continue to have these unfortunate discussions and Satan has a laugh at our expense. Hopefully, however, the Truth is also revealed and people will see how they can change their lives for the better.
The bible obviously didn't come from an Omnipotent Creator. Just read it and that's painfully obvious.

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#211 Sep 22, 2008
Lula B wrote:
"JaneKrahe," am LOVING your playlist...been listening to it on/off since I first messaged you.
LOVE it!
Thanks for sharing!
Gary Jules MAD WORLD is so beautiful.
You listen to it all you want, sugar, that's what it's there for.

That's one of my favorites, too.

I also love Damien Rice's cover of "When Doves Cry".

Blessed Be :D !

Since: Sep 08

Livonia, MI

#212 Sep 22, 2008
Imprtnrd wrote:
<quoted text>You need to get "outside" of that thinkbox of yours.
Did you have a real rebuttal or are you going to revert to childish antics?

Since: Sep 08

Livonia, MI

#213 Sep 22, 2008
Rick in Kansas wrote:
If you are of the belief that God has created humankind in His likeness, that would be an admission that He is responsible for homosexuality given the evidence available. The rality is that homosexuality has exsisted throughout recorded history and beyond as a part of every race, society and culture that has been known to exsist. Either you are claiming it as the world's most widespread and longest lasting "fad" or you're just going to have to wake up to the reality that homosexuality, just like heterosexuality and bisexualty has always been a part of "God's Plan".
<quoted text>
To associate homosexuality with God's plan is absurd. Yes, I agree homosexuality has been around forever, but to use that as a justification of sin is incorrect. Murder has bewn around since Cain and Abel, using your arguement, that would be "God's plan" also. The obvious fact that everyone dodges, including yourself, is two men -or- two women can't produce a baby. If you wrap your brain around that all other arguements are secondary. God's plan is one man and one woman period.

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#214 Sep 22, 2008
Thinkbox wrote:
<quoted text>
To associate homosexuality with God's plan is absurd. Yes, I agree homosexuality has been around forever, but to use that as a justification of sin is incorrect. Murder has bewn around since Cain and Abel, using your arguement, that would be "God's plan" also. The obvious fact that everyone dodges, including yourself, is two men -or- two women can't produce a baby. If you wrap your brain around that all other arguements are secondary. God's plan is one man and one woman period.
Okay, let's talk about God's plan for a moment -

1. Where did God come from?

2. If he is omnipotent, why didn't he simply NOT allow the rebellion in Heaven?

3. Who was Cain's wife?

4. Why is our DNA all so different if we all come from the same two people?

Since: Sep 08

Livonia, MI

#215 Sep 22, 2008
BlueLamp wrote:
<quoted text>
I try not to let the Christian bible define "sin" for me since it condones slavery(Lev. 25:44), beating slaves(Exodus 21:20), incest(Genesis 19:33-36), rape victims being required to marry the rapist(Deuteronomy 22:28-29), treating women and children as property(Genesis 19:8, 1 Timothy 2:11-14, 1 Corinthians 14:33-35), requires battered women to remain married to abusive husbands(Matthew 19:9, 1 Corinthians 7:10-12), condones jihad type warfare where all children are killed save the virgins who are a 'reward'(Numbers 31:15), and makes no mention at all of child molestation, the worst possible crime.
First off, thanks for taking the time to post. I have to disagree on your view of the bible and what denotes sin. First off your references are right but you took them out of context. Most of those references stated an circumstance, not an endorsement. Just because the Bible states something that happened doesn't mean its condoned. Actually quite the opposite. The beating of a slave to death was death. And read Deut 22:25, if a man rapes a virgin he receives death. Matthew 19:9 deals with adultery and Corintians 14 deals with the women in the region who were load and disrupting service, since husbands and wifes sat in seperate halves of the church. I read some of your comments before and you seem to be bright. I hope to excuse the biblical reference section as a copy and paste, and you really didn't write this out so I don't have to think any less of you.

“ illegitimus non carborundum”

Since: May 08

Columbia, S.C.

#216 Sep 22, 2008
Hi Thinkbox. I'm Christian & gay. The first was a choice, the latter was not. I respectfully disagree with your position on this issue. While most fundamentalists cloak their condmenation of gays under the guise of 'loving correction', I have to wonder how many of you have ever stopped to consider the real damage you have done to so many of your brothers & sisters in Christ. Being gay is not a choice, and if God had wanted to cure me of it surely he would have done so at some point in the last 30 yrs. I spent 15yrs praying for him to do so. Now I know better, but I continue to pray that anti-gay Christians will mend their ways. You haved pushed so many people away from the church and caused extreme emotional pain to those who have tried to conform to your ideals. Never I have felt so liberated as I did the day I realized that I don't have to argue with people over whether or not God loves me as I am. He does, indeed, and it's not my problem if others cant cope with it. Have a great week.

Since: Sep 08

Livonia, MI

#217 Sep 22, 2008
JaneKrahe wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, let's talk about God's plan for a moment -
1. Where did God come from?
2. If he is omnipotent, why didn't he simply NOT allow the rebellion in Heaven?
3. Who was Cain's wife?
4. Why is our DNA all so different if we all come from the same two people?
God has always existed and God knew what was in Lucifer's heart and the heart of the angels whom were cast down.
I don't know who's Cain's wife is and we have genotype and phenotype. One is our genes and the other what physically is seen. Actually its interesting when you see after the tower of babel and God seperating the people. The different continents and their environments in combination with our adaptability altered our appearance. It explains why Africans hair was so curly to retain moisture and asians eyes are slanted as eskimos because of the bright sun.
But all that said, how does your questions tie into the idea of God's plan? Are you a believer? God is real.

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#218 Sep 22, 2008
Thinkbox wrote:
<quoted text>
God has always existed and God knew what was in Lucifer's heart and the heart of the angels whom were cast down.
I don't know who's Cain's wife is and we have genotype and phenotype. One is our genes and the other what physically is seen. Actually its interesting when you see after the tower of babel and God seperating the people. The different continents and their environments in combination with our adaptability altered our appearance. It explains why Africans hair was so curly to retain moisture and asians eyes are slanted as eskimos because of the bright sun.
But all that said, how does your questions tie into the idea of God's plan? Are you a believer? God is real.
Depends on what you mean by "believer". I'm Wiccan.
I can answer pretty much any question about my beliefs, yet I always find it strange how many questions Christians can't answer about thiers.
Second Thoughts

Cerritos, CA

#219 Sep 22, 2008
Bruce Leveton wrote:
<quoted text>
I am Ashamed of YouI am a Gay Christian and Jesus Love Me in
John 3:16 I sent my one and only begotten Son that who ever BELIEVE in him shall not perish but have ever lasting Life .
where in that verse do it say that God is ashamed of gay people. God love everyone if we believe in his son. And Ray Boltz song's still have the same meaning before he came out and it does now since he cam out. "God Say the Truth will set you free",
Ray Boltz could not live Free until he came out
he was living a Lie before now he living in truth and don't have anything to hid. May God Bless him always andf i hope he keep making is quite Music.
WOuld you like to see where God says it's an abomination?

Since: Sep 08

Livonia, MI

#220 Sep 22, 2008
PDean wrote:
Hi Thinkbox. I'm Christian & gay. The first was a choice, the latter was not. I respectfully disagree with your position on this issue. While most fundamentalists cloak their condmenation of gays under the guise of 'loving correction', I have to wonder how many of you have ever stopped to consider the real damage you have done to so many of your brothers & sisters in Christ. Being gay is not a choice, and if God had wanted to cure me of it surely he would have done so at some point in the last 30 yrs. I spent 15yrs praying for him to do so. Now I know better, but I continue to pray that anti-gay Christians will mend their ways. You haved pushed so many people away from the church and caused extreme emotional pain to those who have tried to conform to your ideals. Never I have felt so liberated as I did the day I realized that I don't have to argue with people over whether or not God loves me as I am. He does, indeed, and it's not my problem if others cant cope with it. Have a great week.
I actually agree on 90% of what you said. I honestly believe that homosexuality is a sin. Thats the only part we disagree. That statement aside, most christians do a very good job at categorizing sin. As an example just say I struggle with stealing. Other christians would accept me knowing my struggle but cast you away because of yours. I have a friend that is gay. It honestly has been harder lately to establish common ground, but I would go out to eat with him and treated him no different when he told me he was, I kinda had an idea he was. God loves us unconditionally. I haven't walked in your shoes. I don't know how hard its been. But I don't accept the idea of homosexuality as God's plan. But what I do know is if me and you were side by side, God doesn't love me more then you.

Since: Sep 08

Livonia, MI

#221 Sep 22, 2008
JaneKrahe wrote:
<quoted text>
Depends on what you mean by "believer". I'm Wiccan.
I can answer pretty much any question about my beliefs, yet I always find it strange how many questions Christians can't answer about thiers.
I have to say that knowing the name of Cain's wife doesn't help my walk with God. You would have to agree that their has to be a revelance to your questions. I ran into a Wiccan before. She was very kind but I don't agree with white magic and earth stuff.

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