Ray Boltz Comes Out

Ray Boltz Comes Out

There are 1082 comments on the Christianity Today story from Sep 13, 2008, titled Ray Boltz Comes Out. In it, Christianity Today reports that:

Ray Boltz, who sold about 4.5 million records before retiring from Christian music a few years ago, came out of the closet Friday to announce that he's gay.

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Martin Blair

AOL

#1 Sep 14, 2008
I am so disappointed that you sang about Jesus yet have this life style.
It is shocking and I am so sorry for your soul.
Jesus loves you but hates the homosexual life style.
It is an abonomation to God.
My children who are christians loved your music.
YOU CAN BET WE WILL NEVER LISTEN TO YOUR SONGS AGAIN IN OUR LIVES.
GOD HELP YOUR SOUL AND MAY HE FORGIVE YOU OF YOUR SIN.
4254

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#2 Sep 14, 2008
Mighty "christian" of you Martin, mighty "christian"....
Brandi

Mantachie, MS

#3 Sep 15, 2008
This is such sad sad news...Ray Boltz has made himself a reprobate!...Rick in Kansae, to you i say read your Bible God is a loving and merciful God but...and I say but...He is also a just God...if you seriously study your Bible you will see that God does punish people for doing wrong...and being a homosexual in Gods eyes is not only wrong but an abomination...Praying for Ray's family...his wife and four children who he left for his sinful sinful lifestyle...my heart goes out to them!

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#4 Sep 15, 2008
Brandi, I have read the Bible, a number of times in fact, and even though I shouldn't be confused with a Christian, it would appear that I have a better understanding of what it has to say than you do. I know many Chrisians who have a far different take on how God views His Lesbian and Gay children than you do. They don't see a God who condemns His children for being who He created them to be but loves and accepts them just as He intended them. The expression of one's natural and innate sexual orientation as an act of love within the commitment of marriage cannot be viewed as sinful as there is no proscription against it and the verses that you can point to and say, see, see, I told you so are not as cut and dried as you make them out to be. Some are nothing more than creative but dubious English translations from the original languages, others can only be pointed out if you take them out of context and the rest have been so far reinterpreted from their original meaning that the true meaning must be denied. You should pray for Ray Bolktz to find true happiness as God intended him to be and for his family to find peace with that reality, not for your intolerant choice of beliefs...

“Let your freak flag fly!”

Since: Mar 08

Saint Paul, MN

#5 Sep 15, 2008
Rick in Kansas wrote:
Brandi, I have read the Bible, a number of times in fact, and even though I shouldn't be confused with a Christian, it would appear that I have a better understanding of what it has to say than you do. I know many Chrisians who have a far different take on how God views His Lesbian and Gay children than you do. They don't see a God who condemns His children for being who He created them to be but loves and accepts them just as He intended them. The expression of one's natural and innate sexual orientation as an act of love within the commitment of marriage cannot be viewed as sinful as there is no proscription against it and the verses that you can point to and say, see, see, I told you so are not as cut and dried as you make them out to be. Some are nothing more than creative but dubious English translations from the original languages, others can only be pointed out if you take them out of context and the rest have been so far reinterpreted from their original meaning that the true meaning must be denied. You should pray for Ray Bolktz to find true happiness as God intended him to be and for his family to find peace with that reality, not for your intolerant choice of beliefs...
Well said.
Randy

United States

#6 Sep 15, 2008
I am always intrigued by those who have "read the bible" more than others and have reached convenient conclusions that surprising fit their world view.
I read through the bible once a year and always seem to learn something fresh and new but have never found anything that wasn’t there before.
A good friend of mine some years back (an Episcopal priest) was given the unwanted task of chairing the committee to research and come up with the (then) official position paper on accepting/ordaining gay clergy. The committee researched every angle of theology and my friend simply said that they concluded "we can never change the word of God to accommodate lifestyle".
Nice try Rick... but you are wrong.
Christians must have a graciousness but must never lose sight of unchangeable standards and principles.

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#7 Sep 15, 2008
I would invite Ray to Wicca.
He will find a lot less scorn for being honest about who he is.

Blessed be, Ray.
Second Thoughts

Ontario, CA

#8 Sep 15, 2008
Time to throw away some more songs. I have to renew my library every time another Christian artict, musician, or author does, or says something stupid.

This is just the tip of the iceberg concerning this geay thing. As it becomes more accepted and mainstream, more will come out. As more will delude themselves into believing it's ok, and it becomes more supported, more will be counted into the deception.
Second Thoughts

Ontario, CA

#9 Sep 15, 2008
***artist***

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#10 Sep 15, 2008
Randy wrote:
I am always intrigued by those who have "read the bible" more than others and have reached convenient conclusions that surprising fit their world view.
I read through the bible once a year and always seem to learn something fresh and new but have never found anything that wasn’t there before.
A good friend of mine some years back (an Episcopal priest) was given the unwanted task of chairing the committee to research and come up with the (then) official position paper on accepting/ordaining gay clergy. The committee researched every angle of theology and my friend simply said that they concluded "we can never change the word of God to accommodate lifestyle".
Nice try Rick... but you are wrong.
Christians must have a graciousness but must never lose sight of unchangeable standards and principles.
The reality is that those Christian standards and principles have been ever changeable since the begining. All you need to do to see this just look around you and you'll fnd that Christianity is not one faith but many, sometimes in agreement and at others at cross purposes. Jesus said that the only way to God was through him but there are hundreds if not thousands of different paths to Jesus. I myself am not a Christian but I have known many over the years and those who I see most comfortable in their faith believe in a loving and accepting God, rather than the uptight and overly judgemental one that has been invoked around here. The truth is that there is no one truth, free will means that each of those who believe in the divinity of God must find the truth for themselves. You are free to believe as you wish, but my only question is why would you condemn someone who has had to spend his entire life in denial of who he really was now that he has found the strength to live openly and honestly as the man that his God intended him to be???
Ellie Mae

United States

#11 Sep 15, 2008
Second Thoughts wrote:
Time to throw away some more songs. I have to renew my library every time another Christian artict, musician, or author does, or says something stupid.
This is just the tip of the iceberg concerning this geay thing. As it becomes more accepted and mainstream, more will come out. As more will delude themselves into believing it's ok, and it becomes more supported, more will be counted into the deception.
It's your money, throw it away if you want to. But that is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Over the years, did you not enjoy the musical message that Ray was sending? His music has little to do with his sexual preference, but being the narrow minded straight laced Christian you are, I guess just touching them CDs you are probably going to burn your hands and maybe turn you gay too, so maybe you better wear gloves when you dispose of them. Just so like a Christian, if you can't preach it out of them, turn your back on them, condemn them to hell. But NEVER EVER try to accept, understand or TOLERATE anything that is different from your way of thinking. It is much more preferred that people sneak around, stay in the closet, and one day get caught doing unthinkable acts in a public restroom. It happens to married "Christian" men everywhere, everyday. I commend Ray on at least being true to himself, and no longer living a lie.
Tressa Rice

United States

#12 Sep 16, 2008
I have been a Christian all of my life...God loves Ray Boltz, just as He loves each of us...you cannot turn your back on someone when they no longer fit into your shape of what you think they should be...You , nor , I are perfect...no one is. We are all trying to make it in this unperfect world. I am praying for Ray Boltz and his family, and for all homosexuals around the world. The enemy is sly and effective..He has laid a trap for so many...Many will fall into his trap,and many will also escape his trap...Homosexuality is not natural. We have slipped backwards for many years, slowly, so slowly, that no one now thinks anything of Sin. Almost all of us have become numb to sin...Sin is Sin...God is God...yes, He loves, but He has the Word that will never change...You cannot continue to sin, talking badly about someone is a sin, so if you do that, then I am talking to you...Sin is Sin, Big or Small. God is the Judge, no one else...He has given His word for us to read...If you choose not to believe, it is your path you choose, But you will pay for your choices...As for me and my house, WE WILL SERVE THE LORD...
Second Thoughts

Ontario, CA

#13 Sep 16, 2008
Ellie Mae wrote:
<quoted text>It's your money, throw it away if you want to. But that is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Over the years, did you not enjoy the musical message that Ray was sending? His music has little to do with his sexual preference, but being the narrow minded straight laced Christian you are, I guess just touching them CDs you are probably going to burn your hands and maybe turn you gay too, so maybe you better wear gloves when you dispose of them. Just so like a Christian, if you can't preach it out of them, turn your back on them, condemn them to hell. But NEVER EVER try to accept, understand or TOLERATE anything that is different from your way of thinking. It is much more preferred that people sneak around, stay in the closet, and one day get caught doing unthinkable acts in a public restroom. It happens to married "Christian" men everywhere, everyday. I commend Ray on at least being true to himself, and no longer living a lie.
It never ceases to amaze me how those who make no claim to Christianity are so willing to tell Christians how to live as Christians while by their lives condemn Christianity as a whole.

I, too, applaud Ray's courage to come out and be true to himself. It takes courage(or stupidity) to turn your back on God after you've participated of the love and generosity of God's people. It takes courage (or stupidity) to spit in the faces of those who supported you spiritually, emotionally, and financially all these years. I'm glad he had the realness to burn down that bridge and show us his true colors. Now, we know that he really was a fake, all these years.

As God's Word says over and over, your sin will find you out.
Second Thoughts

Ontario, CA

#14 Sep 16, 2008
Tressa Rice wrote:
I have been a Christian all of my life...God loves Ray Boltz, just as He loves each of us...you cannot turn your back on someone when they no longer fit into your shape of what you think they should be...You , nor , I are perfect...no one is. We are all trying to make it in this unperfect world. I am praying for Ray Boltz and his family, and for all homosexuals around the world. The enemy is sly and effective..He has laid a trap for so many...Many will fall into his trap,and many will also escape his trap...Homosexuality is not natural. We have slipped backwards for many years, slowly, so slowly, that no one now thinks anything of Sin. Almost all of us have become numb to sin...Sin is Sin...God is God...yes, He loves, but He has the Word that will never change...You cannot continue to sin, talking badly about someone is a sin, so if you do that, then I am talking to you...Sin is Sin, Big or Small. God is the Judge, no one else...He has given His word for us to read...If you choose not to believe, it is your path you choose, But you will pay for your choices...As for me and my house, WE WILL SERVE THE LORD...
I'm sorry I think Ephesians 5:11 says otherwise. Let's see, I can listen to you, or God's Word, Hmmmm.

It's a no brainer.

Scripture is VERY clear regarding our interaction with the unbeliever. Not to mention, the unbeliever who wishes to continue carrying around the banner of Christianity. The only question is do we choose to obey scripture, or man?
Grace

Brockton, MA

#15 Sep 16, 2008
If you think God wrote those words down, you're a bigger fool than you let on.

The pens were in the hands of men, and men wrote the words. To assume that somehow they actually managed to write the *right* words down is hubris in the extreme.

God's very own *world* keeps telling you different, and you're clinging to a dusty book written by desperate people of another time. It's sad.

The real question is which part of scripture you believe in this week. Have you sold your daughter or sister into slavery? Do you follow all the dietary restrictions indicated?

Or do you pick the parts your fear encourages, and follow it believing yourself righteous?

I'm betting on the latter.

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#16 Sep 16, 2008
I wish these so proclaimed "Christains" would get a REAL life! Ho-hum.....Yawn! Did they ever hear of Live and let live or the words of....Help to me accept the things I cannot change and the wisdom to know the difference????
Jon

Muncie, IN

#17 Sep 16, 2008
Grace wrote:
If you think God wrote those words down, you're a bigger fool than you let on.
The pens were in the hands of men, and men wrote the words. To assume that somehow they actually managed to write the *right* words down is hubris in the extreme.
God's very own *world* keeps telling you different, and you're clinging to a dusty book written by desperate people of another time. It's sad.
The real question is which part of scripture you believe in this week. Have you sold your daughter or sister into slavery? Do you follow all the dietary restrictions indicated?
Or do you pick the parts your fear encourages, and follow it believing yourself righteous?
I'm betting on the latter.
Look at the Bible simply as a book. There are over 40 authors of the Bible from every walk of life from kings to fishermen. Imagine the odds of them sitting down and observing the same events, how many of the stories would be the same? NONE! Yet there are so many stories in the Bible that are told from the viewpoint of multiple persons that very by no more than a few differently worded sentences. The Bible was not written simply by men though the pens were in their hands. It was inspired as scripture will tell you by the Holy Spirit and everything was written exactly as God intended.

As to your condemnation of Christians who seem to pick and choose the scripture they believe, I agree that it is not right when that occurs. However, I challenge you to find one person aside from Christ even in scripture who was able to follow God's law perfectly. God is not a confusing God. He does not want our lives to be a time of mass confusion and chaos. He speaks to us clearly through His Word and these petty arguments we go through are Satan's attempt to confuse God's message. God is not a random God. He did not put one word in the scripture that does not serve a purpose. The instant we begin to take verses out of context and read them how we want them to be read we have left the path of wisdom and are now fools, as the Bible says. I don't know the whole Bible. I believe that you could spend a lifetime and never understand all of the complexity, beauty, and wisdom that it contains. I do know that God has put it there as a guide...A guide that if read with the proper heart will lead the reader to a life that most people could only dream of. One of peace and fulfillment. If you want to get into trying to say the Bible is just written by men who wrote what they wanted or what THEY thought was "wise" then be my guest. The Bible is not mistaken though we love to cast blame on anything but ourselves. It is perfect teaching from a perfect God read by imperfect humans. That is where the mistake lies.

P.S. I love Ray Boltz's music and him. I've met him before and respect him. I am sorry to see he has made this choice,which hurt so many, but my respect does not change. Even great people can make mistakes. I'm praying for you Mr. Boltz.
Rob

Fredericton, Canada

#18 Sep 16, 2008
How sad that the church, one that is supposed to represent God's love, compassion and grace, so quickly turns on the people who are willing to admit to imperfections and fears they have in their lives. Ray's willingness to be truthful shows courage and strength in his faith and person.
Whether or not you agree with the homosexual lifestyle, there is no denying that this is something that must have torn him apart as a follower of Christ and not some choice that he flippantly made.
I would sooner share my faith with an open homosexual than the people who throw his music out simply because he's honest about his life. At least he's true to himself and his imperfections.
Jimmy in St Petersburg

Clearwater, FL

#19 Sep 16, 2008
First off, I am a Christian and am shocked by the news. I am also a soloist & sing a lot of Ray Boltz songs. What kind of blows my mind reading all these comments is one where someone says that they will never listen to his songs again & the one that says they have to keep getting rid of music everytime something happens. I am not going to stop singing "The Hammer," Watch the Lamb," "Thank You," or "I Will Praise the Lord," just to name a few because he has now come out. What he is doing now does not change the powerful message in these songs & by boycotting the wonderful songs that he has put out in the past is just giving Satan exactly what he wants. And, just who do you guys think you are. You are on here judging this man. That makes you just as big a sinner as he is. I don't like what he has done but he is going to have to answer to God for it, because it is up to God to judge not us.
Jimmy in St Petersburg

Clearwater, FL

#20 Sep 16, 2008
To John in Muncie, IN........AMEN!!!!!!

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