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Dalai Lama says no problem with gay marriage

There are 49 comments on the News24 story from Mar 7, 2014, titled Dalai Lama says no problem with gay marriage. In it, News24 reports that:

The Dalai Lama meets with US Speaker of the House John Boehner at the US Capitol in Washington, DC.

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Joe

Europe

#24 Mar 7, 2014
it seems excepting homosexuality is the in thing now , it shows that we have developed human tolerance apparently , when in actual fact it's a filthy act that is unnatural , the pro gay lobby can only fool so much , others have woken up to this evil deed, see Russia, Africa as the shining lights thus far etc , they won't be dictated too in pushing this pro gay agenda , this old fool lama needs western support thus he endorses this filthy act , it's as simple as that
Sen Rick Saintpornum

Philadelphia, PA

#26 Mar 7, 2014
Joe wrote:
it seems excepting homosexuality
Thanks for demonstrating to what extent the sexual illness of homophobia is now mostly quarantined in the least educated corners of society, Jethro.
Sen Rick Saintpornum

Philadelphia, PA

#27 Mar 7, 2014
Absolutely wrote:
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Pretty obvious when you're a filthy [email protected] If they don't look like a pansy, they smell like one.
Pretty obvious you can't get gay men out of your mind for ten seconds.

I suggest you approach Ted Haggard for some good old fashioned counseling. And meth.
david traversa

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#28 Mar 7, 2014
Joe wrote:
it seems excepting homosexuality is the in thing now , it shows that we have developed human tolerance apparently , when in actual fact it's a filthy act that is unnatural , the pro gay lobby can only fool so much , others have woken up to this evil deed, see Russia, Africa as the shining lights thus far etc , they won't be dictated too in pushing this pro gay agenda , this old fool lama needs western support thus he endorses this filthy act , it's as simple as that
Another example of simplicity of judgement .. from the simple-minded ..

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

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#29 Mar 8, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
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The degree to which the lives of Jesus and Krishna are identical as revealed in The Christ by John Remsberg clearly demonstrates that the comparison is even more applicable when the life of Jesus is correlated with that of Buddha. On page 370 he states, "The word Buddha, like the word Christ, is not a name, but a title. It means 'the enlightened one'. The name for this religious founder was Siddhartha Gautama. He was born about 643 B.C, and died 563 B.C.(Note well that that is long before the birth of Jesus). His mother, Mahamaya, was a virgin. Dean Milman, in his History of Christianity, says,'Buddha, according to a tradition known in the West, was born of a virgin'(Vol. I, p. 99). Devaki (the mother of Krishna), Mary, and Mahamaya, all gave birth to their children among strangers.... The 'Tripitaka', the principal Bible of the Buddhists, containing the history of the teachings of Buddha, is a collection of books written in the centuries immediately following Buddha. The canon was finally determined at the Council of Pataliputra, held under the auspices of the Emperor Asoka the Great, 244 B.C., more than 600 years before the Christian canon was established....
Buddha was 'about 30 years old' when he began his ministry (as was Jesus allegedly). He fasted 'seven times seven nights and days'. He had a 'band of disciples' who accompanied him. He traveled from place to place and 'preached to large multitudes'. Bishop Bigandet calls his first sermon the 'Sermon on the Mount'. At his Renunciation 'he forsook father and mother, wife and child'. His mission was 'to establish the kingdom of righteousness'.'Buddha', says Max Mueller,'promised salvation to all; and he commanded his disciples to preach his doctrine in all places and to all men'....
Buddha formulated the following commandments.'Not to kill; not to steal; not to lie; not to commit adultery; not to use strong drink'. Christ said,'Thou knowest the commandments: do not commit adultery; do not kill; do not steal; do not bear false witness; honor thy father and thy mother'(Luke 18:20). Christ ignored the Decalogue of Moses and, like Buddha, presented a pentade which, with the exception of one commandment, is the same as that of Buddha.
Prof. Seydel, of the University of Leipzig, points out 50 analogies between Christianity and Buddhism. Dr. Schleiden calls attention to over 100. Baron Hiarden-Hickey says:'Countless analogies exist between Buddhistic and Christian legends--analogies so striking that they forcibly prove to an impartial mind that a common origin must necessarily be given to the teachings of Sakay-Muni (Buddha) and those of Jesus. Concerning the biographical accounts of the two religious teachers Harden-Hickey says,'One account must necessarily be a copy of the other, and since the Buddhist biographer, living long before the birth of Christ, could not have borrowed from the Christian one, the plain inference is that the early creed-mongers of Alexandria were guilty of plagiarism'."
One huge problem with that. There WAS a Siddharta who lived 600 years before the person claimed as Christ, but who has no proof of existence lived.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#30 Mar 11, 2014
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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One huge problem with that. There WAS a Siddharta who lived 600 years before the person claimed as Christ, but who has no proof of existence lived.
Is there concrete historical proof of Buddha's existence?

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#31 Mar 11, 2014
PS: I am no taking sides with my question, just asking.

Since: Mar 09

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#32 Mar 12, 2014
JohnInToronto wrote:
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Is there concrete historical proof of Buddha's existence?
None.

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

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#33 Mar 12, 2014
Joe wrote:
it seems excepting homosexuality is the in thing now , it shows that we have developed human tolerance apparently , when in actual fact it's a filthy act that is unnatural , the pro gay lobby can only fool so much , others have woken up to this evil deed, see Russia, Africa as the shining lights thus far etc , they won't be dictated too in pushing this pro gay agenda , this old fool lama needs western support thus he endorses this filthy act , it's as simple as that
It's no a filthy act. It is natural. You have chosen to follow a belief in hating others...nothing more, nothing less.

Cookie_Parker

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#34 Mar 12, 2014
JohnInToronto wrote:
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Is there concrete historical proof of Buddha's existence?
Yes. He was a prince.

Since: Mar 09

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#35 Mar 12, 2014
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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Yes. He was a prince.
There is no CONCRETE evidence of the actual existence of Siddhartha Gotama Shakyamuni. None. His supposed teachings were passed on orally for several generations before being written down as the "Tipitaka". Variations in the oral record accounts for the almost 250 schools of Buddhism that existed in the first 5 centuries after his supposed existence. Three main traditions survive (with several hundred sub-variants). Two are essentially re-Brahminizations. One survives of the original schools. There is no real guarantee that it is any more accurate or based upon fact than any of the others.

Since: Sep 10

Earth

#36 Mar 13, 2014
david traversa wrote:
This is the only " religion " ( if you can call it that ) that makes sense to me .. It's pure humanity .. with no tiresome superstitions .
What, exactly, makes sense about buddhists in Burma mass murdering muslims with machetes? Numerous such attacks have been going on for over a year. The dallying lameass is has been flapping his gums about it but hasn't gone there in person to try and stop it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/un-dozens-of-rohi...

As for gay marriage, he has long been anti-gay. He's as hypocritical as christians in the US, only changing his tune because of the public's changing attitudes. Bigots only change when they see their positions are failing, and they want to keep the money coming in.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Dalai-Lama...

http://www.brutallyhonest.org/brutally_honest...

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#37 Mar 13, 2014
P_Smith wrote:
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What, exactly, makes sense about buddhists in Burma mass murdering muslims with machetes? Numerous such attacks have been going on for over a year. The dallying lameass is has been flapping his gums about it but hasn't gone there in person to try and stop it.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/un-dozens-of-rohi...
As for gay marriage, he has long been anti-gay. He's as hypocritical as christians in the US, only changing his tune because of the public's changing attitudes. Bigots only change when they see their positions are failing, and they want to keep the money coming in.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Dalai-Lama...
http://www.brutallyhonest.org/brutally_honest...
Sorry, but your ignorance is showing.

There are 5 variants of the Tibetan school of Buddhism. The Dali Lama is the head of only one of those sub-sects, and the one-time political leader of Tibet.

Theraveda, the oldest surviving of the original schools of Buddhism and practiced primarily in Sri Lanka, Burma and Thailand, Has two primary variants: the City Temple and Forest Monastery traditions. While in Thailand there is the quasi-political position of "Dhamma Raja", it does not equate in any way to the hierarchies of the Tibetan school. Theraveda literally means "The Elders' Teaching", and is not really a layperson's organisation, though to some degree the majority are supporters.

There is no more connection between the Dali Lama and Burmese laypeople than there is between, say, the Pope and the Mormons who perpetrated the Mountain Meadows Massacre.

Since: Nov 13

Dedham, MA

#38 Mar 13, 2014
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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One huge problem with that. There WAS a Siddharta who lived 600 years before the person claimed as Christ, but who has no proof of existence lived.
What are you talking about? All historians agree that Jesus was a real person who existed, whether you believe he was divine or not. Josephus, a contemporary Jewish historian working for the Romans, mentions him specifically.

Since: Nov 13

Dedham, MA

#39 Mar 13, 2014
Excuse me, I erred. Josephus was not quite contemporary with Jesus, as he was born a few years after Jesus' death.
somewhere in time

Enumclaw, WA

#40 Mar 13, 2014
How did we find out about the deaths of the apostles. It wasn't from the bible the bible ends with them still all alive. but by historians. Whom say peter was crucified upside down and the apostle paul was beheaded. All this was when nero was in power

Since: Nov 13

Dedham, MA

#41 Mar 13, 2014
somewhere in time wrote:
How did we find out about the deaths of the apostles. It wasn't from the bible the bible ends with them still all alive. but by historians. Whom say peter was crucified upside down and the apostle paul was beheaded. All this was when nero was in power
Actually, there's no good evidence of how either Peter or Paul died. It's just a succession of Christian writers repeating the same stories over and over again. However, it is plausible that both could have lost their lives during Nero's persecutions. Josephus also mentions that the Romans sometimes crucified people in odd positions for amusement.

Cookie_Parker

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#42 Mar 14, 2014
snyper wrote:
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There is no CONCRETE evidence of the actual existence of Siddhartha Gotama Shakyamuni. None. His supposed teachings were passed on orally for several generations before being written down as the "Tipitaka". Variations in the oral record accounts for the almost 250 schools of Buddhism that existed in the first 5 centuries after his supposed existence. Three main traditions survive (with several hundred sub-variants). Two are essentially re-Brahminizations. One survives of the original schools. There is no real guarantee that it is any more accurate or based upon fact than any of the others.
What are you reading?

http://www.biography.com/people/buddha-923058...

The Buddha, or "enlightened one," was born Siddhartha (which means "he who achieves his aim") Gautama, a prince in India in the 6th century B.C. His father was a king who ruled an Indian tribe called the Shakyas. His mother died seven days after giving birth to him, but a holy man prophesized great things for the young Siddhartha: He would either be a great king or military leader or he would be a great spiritual leader. To keep his son from witnessing the miseries and suffering of the world, Siddhartha's father raised him in opulence in a palace built just for the boy and sheltered him from knowledge of religion and human hardship. According to custom, he married at the age of 16, but his life of total seclusion continued for another 13 years.

Pretty accurate accounts. And just because the west wasn't writing, doesn't mean the east wasn't.

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

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#43 Mar 14, 2014
P_Smith wrote:
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What, exactly, makes sense about buddhists in Burma mass murdering muslims with machetes? Numerous such attacks have been going on for over a year. The dallying lameass is has been flapping his gums about it but hasn't gone there in person to try and stop it.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/un-dozens-of-rohi...
As for gay marriage, he has long been anti-gay. He's as hypocritical as christians in the US, only changing his tune because of the public's changing attitudes. Bigots only change when they see their positions are failing, and they want to keep the money coming in.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Dalai-Lama...
http://www.brutallyhonest.org/brutally_honest...
How about oppression? You're trying to attach a Christian belief onto a Buddhists practice. Can't be done.

let's quote the Dali Lama correctly, shall we?

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Dalai-Lama...

The Dalai Lama said the same Buddhist scripture that advises against gay and lesbian sex also urges heterosexuals to refrain from oral sex, anal sex and masturbation. "Even with your own wife, using one's mouth or the other hole is sexual misconduct," he said. "Using one's hand, that is sexual misconduct."

Steve Peskind, one of the gay Buddhists meeting with the Dalai Lama today, was disappointed with yesterday's remarks.

"We will be talking to him about the impact of these statements on homophobic violence," Peskind said. "What is proper sexual conduct for gay Buddhists, and who's going to teach us?"

The Tibetan leader noted that those same traditional texts that oppose oral and anal sex approve of vaginal sex with a prostitute.

Some Buddhists at yesterday's press conference said the Dalai Lama was hinting that those traditional Buddhist scriptures may need to be re-examined in a modern social context.

Despite his worldwide appeal and popularity, the Dalai Lama is not a "Buddhist pope" and does not have the authority to unilaterally change Buddhist teaching.

Anyone who knows a thing about Buddhism understands there are many schools to follow and paths to take to reach enlightenment. The Dali Lama is not the leader of the Buddhists and represents only one school.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#44 Mar 14, 2014
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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What are you reading?
http://www.biography.com/people/buddha-923058...
The Buddha, or "enlightened one," was born Siddhartha (which means "he who achieves his aim") Gautama, a prince in India in the 6th century B.C. His father was a king who ruled an Indian tribe called the Shakyas. His mother died seven days after giving birth to him, but a holy man prophesized great things for the young Siddhartha: He would either be a great king or military leader or he would be a great spiritual leader. To keep his son from witnessing the miseries and suffering of the world, Siddhartha's father raised him in opulence in a palace built just for the boy and sheltered him from knowledge of religion and human hardship. According to custom, he married at the age of 16, but his life of total seclusion continued for another 13 years.
Pretty accurate accounts. And just because the west wasn't writing, doesn't mean the east wasn't.
The Shakyamuni were NOT Indian, but early descendants of the 2nd Aryan migrations into, and conquest of, Northern India.

Next, according to the traditional accounts Siddhartha did NOT live in "total seclusion", but rather joined various ascetic groups and their practices. It was only after he almost starved himself to death that he separated himself, ate, rested and, if the accounts are true, sat down under a tree vowing to not move until he'd figured it all out. Fortunately, this occurred in short order. It was after this that he went into seclusion for a brief period to decide what to do next; sit down again and finish the process or teach.

Lastly, the accounts are all purely oral tradition for almost 2 centuries after the events. Originally in Pali, which has no written form or even an alphabet, the oral traditions were first written into Sanskrit.

The age of a tradition says nothing about it's accuracy ... or reality.

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