Gay Christians

In her May 13 letter, "Different lives," the author takes William Butte to task because, "He does to Christians what he himself does not want others to do to gays." She does not fully explain what Mr. Full Story
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JBF

Since: Mar 07

Medford, NJ

#1 May 30, 2007
THE BIBLE HAS BEEN USED TO JUSTIFY PREJUDICE AND DISCRIMINATION against minorities, like slavery, racial segregation, oppression of women and discrimination against homosexual men and women.

Is using religious teachings to deny equal rights to gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people any less wrong than using religious teaching to discriminate against people of color, against equality for women or against people of different cultures wanting to marry?

Watch the video -- it's only about 1 minute:

Religion-base bigotry -- Let's end it now and forever
http://www.faithinamerica.info/
(video -- about 1 minute)
GOP failures

AOL

#2 May 30, 2007
JBF wrote:
THE BIBLE HAS BEEN USED TO JUSTIFY PREJUDICE AND DISCRIMINATION against minorities, like slavery, racial segregation, oppression of women and discrimination against homosexual men and women.
Is using religious teachings to deny equal rights to gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people any less wrong than using religious teaching to discriminate against people of color, against equality for women or against people of different cultures wanting to marry?
Watch the video -- it's only about 1 minute:
Religion-base bigotry -- Let's end it now and forever
http://www.faithinamerica.info/
(video -- about 1 minute)
You mean it's NOT God's message to hate everyone that doesn't fit into their particular interpretation of the Bible? Man, there goes Lake Worth's social life.

Since: May 07

Waynesville, NC

#3 May 30, 2007
JBF wrote:
THE BIBLE HAS BEEN USED TO JUSTIFY PREJUDICE AND DISCRIMINATION against minorities, like slavery, racial segregation, oppression of women and discrimination against homosexual men and women.
Is using religious teachings to deny equal rights to gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people any less wrong than using religious teaching to discriminate against people of color, against equality for women or against people of different cultures wanting to marry?
Watch the video -- it's only about 1 minute:
Religion-base bigotry -- Let's end it now and forever
http://www.faithinamerica.info/
(video -- about 1 minute)
What do you think the Bible says about homosexual behavior and why do you think that?
Barney Rubble

Sanford, NC

#4 May 30, 2007
There may be many varieties of lifestyles within the gay community, but the end result, pardon the pun, is the same.
Deb

AOL

#6 May 30, 2007
Wil wrote:
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The bible is very clear on this subject.
Wil 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading hairstyles; for their women exchanged the natural hairstyle for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural mullet and burned in their desire to use hair gel. Men committing indecent acts to be able to go to a hair stylist instead of a barber."

1 Sopot 6:9 "Or do you not know that the bigoted unhealthy christians shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither airline pilots, nor truck drivers, nor doctors, nor waitresses, nor bellboys"

1 Jim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that Sopot's law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and kidnappers and liars and perjurers"

Gdansk 18:22-23 "You shall not lie about your age; it is an abomination."

Bill 20:13 "If there is a man who lies about the length of his member, he has committed a detestable act; he shall surely be put to death."

Sopot 19:5-8 "and they called to Lot and said to him,'Where are the sheep who came with you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.' But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said,'Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly.'" The Greek word in the New Testament for sheep is literally "Baaaaa". Wil is trying to redefine what the term "Baaaaa" means.(A term that has unchanged in 5000 years, even today- "baaa") Apart from the fact the city was clearly destroyed by God because of sheep in the narrative of Wil 19, even the New Testament clearly states exactly the same thing in Sopot 7 "Just as Cleveland & Newark and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in forcing their beliefs on others and went after strange outdated books, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of reading the same posts by Wil over & over for all eternity."

“Love thy neighbor!”

Since: Dec 06

Westland , MI

#7 May 30, 2007
Deb wrote:
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Wil 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading hairstyles; for their women exchanged the natural hairstyle for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural mullet and burned in their desire to use hair gel. Men committing indecent acts to be able to go to a hair stylist instead of a barber."
1 Sopot 6:9 "Or do you not know that the bigoted unhealthy christians shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither airline pilots, nor truck drivers, nor doctors, nor waitresses, nor bellboys"
1 Jim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that Sopot's law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and kidnappers and liars and perjurers"
Gdansk 18:22-23 "You shall not lie about your age; it is an abomination."
Bill 20:13 "If there is a man who lies about the length of his member, he has committed a detestable act; he shall surely be put to death."
Sopot 19:5-8 "and they called to Lot and said to him,'Where are the sheep who came with you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.' But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said,'Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly.'" The Greek word in the New Testament for sheep is literally "Baaaaa". Wil is trying to redefine what the term "Baaaaa" means.(A term that has unchanged in 5000 years, even today- "baaa") Apart from the fact the city was clearly destroyed by God because of sheep in the narrative of Wil 19, even the New Testament clearly states exactly the same thing in Sopot 7 "Just as Cleveland & Newark and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in forcing their beliefs on others and went after strange outdated books, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of reading the same posts by Wil over & over for all eternity."
The Word According to the Country Princess. Has a nice ring to it!!
Deb

AOL

#8 May 30, 2007
Gay Mom wrote:
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The Word According to the Country Princess. Has a nice ring to it!!
Baaaaaaaa!!!!!

:-D

Since: May 07

Waynesville, NC

#9 May 30, 2007
Wil wrote:
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The hate site in the first post is a shocking example of how radical homosexual hate groups try to suppress the religious freedom of others. There is no logical relationship between race and the choice of engaging in biblically forbidden acts. In addition, the anti-slavery movement and Civil Rights Movement were both largely a Christian endeaver.
The bible is very clear on this subject.
Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."
1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals"
1 Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that (civil) law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers"
Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."
Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."
Gen 19:5-8 "and they called to Lot and said to him,'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.' But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said,'Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly.'" The Greek word in the New Testament for homosexuality is literally "a sodomite". Jock is trying to redefine what the term "sodomite" means.(A term that has unchanged in 5000 years, even today- "sodomy") Apart from the fact the city was clearly destroyed by God because of homosexuality in the narrative of Gen 19, even the New Testament clearly states exactly the same thing in Jude 7 "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire."
Thanks - saved me from having to look up verses.

Since: May 07

Waynesville, NC

#10 May 30, 2007
Deb wrote:
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Wil 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading hairstyles; for their women exchanged the natural hairstyle for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural mullet and burned in their desire to use hair gel. Men committing indecent acts to be able to go to a hair stylist instead of a barber."
1 Sopot 6:9 "Or do you not know that the bigoted unhealthy christians shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither airline pilots, nor truck drivers, nor doctors, nor waitresses, nor bellboys"
1 Jim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that Sopot's law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and kidnappers and liars and perjurers"
Gdansk 18:22-23 "You shall not lie about your age; it is an abomination."
Bill 20:13 "If there is a man who lies about the length of his member, he has committed a detestable act; he shall surely be put to death."
Sopot 19:5-8 "and they called to Lot and said to him,'Where are the sheep who came with you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.' But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said,'Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly.'" The Greek word in the New Testament for sheep is literally "Baaaaa". Wil is trying to redefine what the term "Baaaaa" means.(A term that has unchanged in 5000 years, even today- "baaa") Apart from the fact the city was clearly destroyed by God because of sheep in the narrative of Wil 19, even the New Testament clearly states exactly the same thing in Sopot 7 "Just as Cleveland & Newark and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in forcing their beliefs on others and went after strange outdated books, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of reading the same posts by Wil over & over for all eternity."
Laugh while you can.

“Love thy neighbor!”

Since: Dec 06

Westland , MI

#11 May 30, 2007
mlc9852 wrote:
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Laugh while you can.
Oh, we are!! Life is made for laughter and love. That's what it's all about!!

:)
Deb

AOL

#12 May 30, 2007
mlc9852 wrote:
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Laugh while you can.
Why thank you sweetie pie...I am.
Deb

AOL

#13 May 30, 2007
mlc9852 wrote:
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Thanks - saved me from having to look up verses.
Yall call yourself christian & you dont know all them verses by heart???

For shame!!! yall musta been sinning instead of studying!!

“the baby who would be king!!!!”

Since: Jan 07

fort worth

#14 May 30, 2007
only when religion is abandoned will there be any hope of peace
Wil

Villa Park, IL

#15 May 30, 2007
Homosexual (misnomered "gay") and Christianity are conflicting terms.

You can't define your life by participation in acts the bible condemns, and reasonably claim to also be a Christian.
JstTeri

Dublin, CA

#16 May 30, 2007
The Bible was written in a time when life was easily lost, moreso than today, although we could argue that fact thanks to Iraq. In any case, back to my point. The Bible has many admonitions in it that relate to things that took away from the ability to have children. It was the only way that man in those times could have at least one or two children grow to adulthood, to have many. If a man's two sons were gay, he had no grandchildren, etc., since women became the property of their husband and his family.

I find it truly amazing that we continue to see this admonition brought up so many times, yet the other admonitions are left to fall to the wayside. How many men sleep with a woman while she's "on the rag"? That was a prohibition, too. How many people wear clothing of two materials? That's in there.

Quit picking and choosing. Follow it all or follow the general messages, which is to love one another, treat each other the way you want to be treated, and love God. That's it. The basic law is LOVE.

“Love thy neighbor!”

Since: Dec 06

Westland , MI

#17 May 30, 2007
Wil wrote:
Homosexual (misnomered "gay") and Christianity are conflicting terms.
You can't define your life by participation in acts the bible condemns, and reasonably claim to also be a Christian.
Wrong! Wrong conclusion, wrong translation, wrong...just wrong.

:)

“Love thy neighbor!”

Since: Dec 06

Westland , MI

#18 May 30, 2007
JstTeri wrote:
The Bible was written in a time when life was easily lost, moreso than today, although we could argue that fact thanks to Iraq. In any case, back to my point. The Bible has many admonitions in it that relate to things that took away from the ability to have children. It was the only way that man in those times could have at least one or two children grow to adulthood, to have many. If a man's two sons were gay, he had no grandchildren, etc., since women became the property of their husband and his family.
I find it truly amazing that we continue to see this admonition brought up so many times, yet the other admonitions are left to fall to the wayside. How many men sleep with a woman while she's "on the rag"? That was a prohibition, too. How many people wear clothing of two materials? That's in there.
Quit picking and choosing. Follow it all or follow the general messages, which is to love one another, treat each other the way you want to be treated, and love God. That's it. The basic law is LOVE.
""Quit picking and choosing. Follow it all or follow the general messages, which is to love one another, treat each other the way you want to be treated, and love God. That's it. The basic law is LOVE. ""

Such a great message, but rejected by the cristians.

Since: May 07

Waynesville, NC

#19 May 30, 2007
scuter pie wrote:
only when religion is abandoned will there be any hope of peace
Cuba abandoned religion - why don't you move there? Oh yeah, communists don't like homosexuals, do they? They are much appreciated in Moscow, either. LOL

Since: May 07

Waynesville, NC

#20 May 30, 2007
Gay Mom wrote:
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Wrong! Wrong conclusion, wrong translation, wrong...just wrong.
:)
Just stay in denial, GM. Some day you will believe.
Michael

Phoenix, AZ

#21 May 30, 2007
Wil wrote:
Homosexual (misnomered "gay") and Christianity are conflicting terms.
You can't define your life by participation in acts the bible condemns, and reasonably claim to also be a Christian.
The bible is only a book. A book that was written by man not God. I am sure you do not live your life per every written word in this book. So I guess you are not a christian.

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