Doctor Refuses Hormone Blockers For Trans Boy

Sep 12, 2013 Full story: lezgetreal.com 30
The doctor in the UK refused treatment for the trans boy claiming that she didn't know the ultimate effects of the hormone blockers. Full Story
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#1 Sep 12, 2013
The child cannot demonstrate informed consent.

The MD's choice is correct.

Since: Apr 08

Chagrin Falls, OH

#2 Sep 12, 2013
snyper wrote:
The child cannot demonstrate informed consent.
The MD's choice is correct.
This is not a case of questionable consent since the child's legal parents have given that informed consent. The patient is twelve and has been living as a male (despite the birth assignment of "female") since age five -- that's seven years, and the majority of the patient's life.

Denying the patient necessary medical care for the progression of the transition, which is scheduled to happen years away when the patient is older, is cruel. If the doctor wants to know about the effects of hormonal therapy for transgender patients, all they need to do is talk to any of the already transitioned patients (there are plenty out there!) and their doctors. This is hardly a new thing.

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#3 Sep 12, 2013
For a trans person, the effects of NOT taking hormone blockers at the start of puberty are far worse than any potential side effects of them. For a transboy, the irreversible changes his body will undergo will have a negative impact on his self image, among other things, for the rest of his life.

This doctor is gravely wrong and I hope the boy's parents find a better one.

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#4 Sep 12, 2013
Gay And Proud wrote:
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This is not a case of questionable consent since the child's legal parents have given that informed consent. The patient is twelve and has been living as a male (despite the birth assignment of "female") since age five -- that's seven years, and the majority of the patient's life.
Denying the patient necessary medical care for the progression of the transition, which is scheduled to happen years away when the patient is older, is cruel. If the doctor wants to know about the effects of hormonal therapy for transgender patients, all they need to do is talk to any of the already transitioned patients (there are plenty out there!) and their doctors. This is hardly a new thing.
The parents aren't going to have their bodies altered.

It can wait for a couple of years until the child can demonstrate the ability to understand the course of treatment.

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#5 Sep 12, 2013
Do what my stepfather did when his doctor told him no more martinis; switch doctors.

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#6 Sep 12, 2013
snyper wrote:
It can wait for a couple of years until the child can demonstrate the ability to understand the course of treatment.
That's the whole purpose of hormone blockers: to prevent the changes that come with puberty and give the child time to decide if he wants to transition.

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#8 Sep 13, 2013
Wolfgang E B wrote:
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That's the whole purpose of hormone blockers: to prevent the changes that come with puberty and give the child time to decide if he wants to transition.
Look. If the kid wants this, then the kid can show a little goal-directedness consonant with mature decision-making; hit the library and read up enough to demonstrate intelligent informed consent. It really shouldn't take long. Even Wikipedia would be a useful step forward.

I doubt the MD is demanding medical school level understanding of Endocrinology, but these hormone do very powerful things to a young body ... especially to a young female body. The cancer danger goes way, way up at that age.

It's not like popping an over-the-counter aspirin for a headache.

If the parents really care, they'll help the child learn enough to satisfy the MD.

Some extra knowledge can't hurt.

The hormones really, really can.
Sparkle

Bellevue, WA

#9 Sep 13, 2013
snyper wrote:
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The parents aren't going to have their bodies altered.
It can wait for a couple of years until the child can demonstrate the ability to understand the course of treatment.
On this one your Wrong... Children know there trans long before even puberty

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#11 Sep 13, 2013
Sparkle wrote:
<quoted text>On this one your Wrong... Children know there trans long before even puberty
That isn't what I was suggesting, dearheart.

I'm not talking about self-awareness, but about knowledge and maturity sufficient to make informed decisions. Informed consent is basic to actual Freedom. There really is NOTHING compelling any aspect of this very dangerous, ELECTIVE treatment.
Sparkle

Bellevue, WA

#12 Sep 13, 2013
snyper wrote:
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That isn't what I was suggesting, dearheart.
I'm not talking about self-awareness, but about knowledge and maturity sufficient to make informed decisions. Informed consent is basic to actual Freedom. There really is NOTHING compelling any aspect of this very dangerous, ELECTIVE treatment.
I totally disagree No harm befalls this child.. Stopping puberty saves the trans child very painfull and very expensive surgeries down the road
Sparkle

Bellevue, WA

#13 Sep 13, 2013

Since: Apr 08

Chagrin Falls, OH

#14 Sep 13, 2013
snyper wrote:
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That isn't what I was suggesting, dearheart.
I'm not talking about self-awareness, but about knowledge and maturity sufficient to make informed decisions. Informed consent is basic to actual Freedom. There really is NOTHING compelling any aspect of this very dangerous, ELECTIVE treatment.
The kid has been living as their identified gender (not the one assigned to them at birth) for over seven years, and has the full support of their family. This is hardly a case of a kid who has a whim and will change their mind next week.

Refusing the hormone blocking therapy means that they'll have a much harder time doing the physical transition when it's scheduled later on. That's one big reason why it's harmful to deny the patient the necessary medical treatment.

Forcing the patient to go through puberty into the wrong gender will only make their emotional and psychological distress more intense. That's another huge reason why denying the patient necessary medical treatment is cruel.

The only one who appears to be confused about this is the doctor, who has clearly not done their homework. If they had done their homework then they'd already know about the effects of hormone blocking therapies for transgender patients since this has been done many times before by other doctors who have transgender patients.

If the doctor were acting professionally they would refer the patient to a specialist who clearly is knowledgeable of the issues and who could treat the patient to reduce and not increase harm. The current doctor is only increasing harm.
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#15 Sep 13, 2013
Florida Gator wrote:
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Says the bitc:h with a d!ck. roflmao
Says the thing with no balls.

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#17 Sep 13, 2013
Gay And Proud wrote:
If the doctor were acting professionally they would refer the patient to a specialist who clearly is knowledgeable of the issues and who could treat the patient to reduce and not increase harm. The current doctor is only increasing harm.
Exactly. Both the AMA and APA recommend hormone blocking treatment for trans kids.

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#18 Sep 13, 2013
snyper wrote:
It's not like popping an over-the-counter aspirin for a headache.
It's not like getting medically unnecessary treatment either. I don't think you understand the issue here. Denying or delaying hormone blocking treatment to a trans child is the equivalent of forcing him (a boy, in this case) to undergo transition to the opposite gender against his will. That's what puberty is.

Trans kids do not go through normal puberty like non-trans kids. They go through HELL, and some do not survive. Many of those who do are left emotionally scarred in ways you can't imagine.

Hormone blockers have been proven safe and effective. All they do is delay the onset of puberty so that the child isn't forced to undergo the permanent physical changed caused by it. As soon as the blockers are stopped, puberty resumes.

I recommend you learn more about this subject. A good place to start is by downloading this PDF manual, which has become an important reference for doctors who deal with trans patients.

http://www.nickgorton.org/

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#19 Sep 13, 2013
Sparkle wrote:
<quoted text>I totally disagree No harm befalls this child.. Stopping puberty saves the trans child very painfull and very expensive surgeries down the road
Dear, hormones are not candy. They impact every system in the body.

A child's body is on overdrive all the time. Every process is sped up. Hormones at that age can be horrifically carcinogenic, as well as effect other organ development and body growth.

Apparently you don't know enough to give informed consent, either.

C'mon. It's an ELECTIVE procedure. This means that there is no immanent risk to life or limb that compels it's immediate implementation.

All the kid needs to do is learn and understand the risks in order to demonstrate the ability to make an informed decision.

Crikes! We don't even know the kid's family disease history or genetic markers. Pancreatic, liver or bone cancer before 30 is not a recipe for happiness.

I have NOTHING against reassignment surgery when it's determined to be appropriate.

I do have problems with hormone treatment of a pubescent child's body, especially one that's apparently barely able to spell Endocrinology.

There is no hormone, natural or synthetic, that impacts a single part or system of the body.
Sparkle

Bellevue, WA

#20 Sep 13, 2013
snyper wrote:
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Dear, hormones are not candy. They impact every system in the body.
A child's body is on overdrive all the time. Every process is sped up. Hormones at that age can be horrifically carcinogenic, as well as effect other organ development and body growth.
Apparently you don't know enough to give informed consent, either.
C'mon. It's an ELECTIVE procedure. This means that there is no immanent risk to life or limb that compels it's immediate implementation.
All the kid needs to do is learn and understand the risks in order to demonstrate the ability to make an informed decision.
Crikes! We don't even know the kid's family disease history or genetic markers. Pancreatic, liver or bone cancer before 30 is not a recipe for happiness.
I have NOTHING against reassignment surgery when it's determined to be appropriate.
I do have problems with hormone treatment of a pubescent child's body, especially one that's apparently barely able to spell Endocrinology.
There is no hormone, natural or synthetic, that impacts a single part or system of the body.
So I guess we need to clip overys and testicles to since Hormones are carcinogenic

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#22 Sep 13, 2013
Sparkle wrote:
<quoted text>So I guess we need to clip overys and testicles to since Hormones are carcinogenic
WOW
Not usually, because they adjust their outputs through constant chemical conversation with all other parts of the body.

Hormones and enzymes are the communication network of every part of the human system, that maintain a balanced cooperation.

The growth of a child, especially the highly accelerated cell reproduction rates, are extremely interdependent mechanisms.

C'mon. Don't fight for ignorant.
Sparkle

Bellevue, WA

#23 Sep 13, 2013
snyper wrote:
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Not usually, because they adjust their outputs through constant chemical conversation with all other parts of the body.
Hormones and enzymes are the communication network of every part of the human system, that maintain a balanced cooperation.
The growth of a child, especially the highly accelerated cell reproduction rates, are extremely interdependent mechanisms.
C'mon. Don't fight for ignorant.
Ummm I may have a messed up life but I was and am still a microbiologist and transsexual and have injected my own hormones since age 14... And your just wrong... Sorry but you are
Sparkle

Bellevue, WA

#24 Sep 13, 2013
snyper wrote:
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Not usually, because they adjust their outputs through constant chemical conversation with all other parts of the body.
Hormones and enzymes are the communication network of every part of the human system, that maintain a balanced cooperation.
The growth of a child, especially the highly accelerated cell reproduction rates, are extremely interdependent mechanisms.
C'mon. Don't fight for ignorant.
to begin with the child is only doing blockers to stall the onset of puberties effects

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