Should same-sex marriage become legal?

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Between 2000 and 2005, the number of same-sex couples in the United States increased by more than 20 percent, according to the Williams Institute, a think tank concerned with laws and public policy related to sexual orientation.

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#16920 Nov 17, 2012
josh-chuck norris wrote:
noo itz wrong and God says it in the Bible he struck a city bcuz they wer gay
God says it in the Bible?

Are you kidding me?

You must be kidding me.

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#16921 Nov 17, 2012
josh-chuck norris wrote:
noo itz wrong and God says it in the Bible he struck a city bcuz they wer gay
The use of the story of Sodom to label a sex act is a good example of a misinterpretation and misapplication of biblical verses to demonize and dehumanize.

"The primarily sexual meaning of the word sodomia for Christians did not evolve before the 6th century AD. Roman Emperor Justinian I, in his novels no. 77 (dating 538) and no. 141 (dating 559) amended to his Corpus iuris civilis, and declared that Sodom's sin had been specifically same-sex activities and desire for them. He also linked "famines, earthquakes, and pestilences" upon cities as being due to "such crimes", during a time of recent earthquakes and other disasters." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy

Sin of Sodom http://www.iwgonline.org/docs/sodom.html

There are about twenty references to the story of Sodom in the Bible, and none of them says homosexuality was the sin of Sodom. One of the most extensive references to Sodom is found in Ezekiel, which says,“This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did abominable things before me; therefore I removed them when I saw it.”(Ezekiel 16:49-50 (See note 5.)) It is clear from this passage (and others like it (See note 6.)) that the abomination of Sodom, according to the Old Testament prophets, was that they behaved with callous indifference toward the weak and vulnerable — the poor, orphans, widows, and strangers in their midst." http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblica...

The point of Sodom was that you should love others, not abuse them. It was about harming them instead of treating them the way you want to be treated. It was about how you treat "the stranger at the gate." It had nothing to do with loving same sex relationships based on mutual respect and love between adults.

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United States

#16922 Nov 18, 2012
WaterBoarder wrote:
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Wow! "People like me"..."Klansman "..."won't be a safe white woman"?
Why do gays get so hysterical?
Not being gay myself I can't speak for anyone else. However with bigots like you senseless and dangerous as you are, I could well imagine that might be the cause.

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United States

#16923 Nov 18, 2012
WaterBoarder wrote:
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You too should get a room.
You too? Does that mean you already got one?

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#16924 Nov 18, 2012
1st Janitor wrote:
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Not being gay myself I can't speak for anyone else. However with bigots like you senseless and dangerous as you are, I could well imagine that might be the cause.
It is often difficult for those who are not harmed by laws and religious beliefs which perpetuate anti-gay prejudice, to recognize and appreciate the severity of harm caused by those anti-gay laws and scientifically unsupportable beliefs. Yet anyone with a knowledge of history should be able to realize that history, science, and law all recognize irrational prejudice and discrimination inevitably result in needless suffering and death. So if we sometimes seem a bit emotional, it is because we are still fighting for our lives here and around the world, while those against equality are only fighting to preserve the irrational prejudice they were taught as children.
toadmann

Pittsburgh, PA

#16925 Nov 21, 2012
youtube.com/watch... …Elf Rant ,,,let it legalize now yes
Dark overlord

Southall, UK

#16926 Nov 22, 2012
Wanna hear a funny joke

God.
Robsan5

United States

#16928 Nov 22, 2012
NoQ wrote:
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Happy Thanksgiving, you nasty A$$ fking Fa$$ot
Still focused on gay anal sex, NoIQ? Have fun with that obsession.

Robert
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#16930 Nov 23, 2012
NoQ wrote:
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Hope you had a good thanksgiving Fa$$ot. Now get back to your favorite dessert, Shit on a Dick. By the way Roberta, gay anal sex is your reality. Enjoy
Looks like NoQ is working on his weekend fantasies early....
ken

Leicester, UK

#16931 Nov 23, 2012
This is not an issue that should be decided by politicians. This is a matter for society as a whole and, as such, should be the subject of a referendum. Politicians haven't the right to decide, nor does any individual pressure group. If society wants it they'll vote for it. If they vote against it then that's how it should be. It really pisses me off that 650 MPs in Parliament think they have the right to decide on this.

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#16932 Nov 25, 2012
ken wrote:
This is not an issue that should be decided by politicians. This is a matter for society as a whole and, as such, should be the subject of a referendum. Politicians haven't the right to decide, nor does any individual pressure group. If society wants it they'll vote for it. If they vote against it then that's how it should be. It really pisses me off that 650 MPs in Parliament think they have the right to decide on this.
While equal treatment under the law may not be a requirement in the UK, it is hardly fair to allow a majority to decide on the equal rights of any minority.

"Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood. This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group." Coretta Scott King

Do you really want equal rights to be decided by a majority vote? Rights should apply equally to everyone. If you don't protect equal rights now, what happens if you become a minority in the future?

“You wish you were here!!”

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The OC

#16933 Nov 25, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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While equal treatment under the law may not be a requirement in the UK, it is hardly fair to allow a majority to decide on the equal rights of any minority.
"Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood. This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group." Coretta Scott King
Do you really want equal rights to be decided by a majority vote? Rights should apply equally to everyone. If you don't protect equal rights now, what happens if you become a minority in the future?
You guys crack me up how you try to ride the backs of the real civil rights movement and make yourselves out to be a minority.
“Neither my great-grandfather, an NAACP founder, my grandfather Dr. Martin Luther King Sr., an NAACP leader, my father Rev. A. D. Williams King, nor my uncle Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. embraced the homosexual agenda that the current NAACP is attempting to label as a civil rights agenda. In the 21st century, the anti-traditional marriage community is in league with the anti-life community, and together with the NAACP and other sympathizers, they are seeking a world where homosexual marriage and abortion will supposedly set the captives free.” Dr. Alveda King

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#16934 Nov 25, 2012
"In 2012, at Atlanta’s annual Martin Luther King Jr. rally, the public evolution of Bernice King shocked those in attendance.(GA Voice):
In a passionate, sermon-like speech about building unity, King said she didn’t care if people were Hindu, Buddhist, Islamist, were from the North side or the South side, were black or white, were “heterosexual or homosexual, or gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender”— that all people were needed to create unity.

LGBT people who attended the rally said they were shocked that King – who has a long anti-gay past — actually acknowledged the community in a public speech, but said they were also glad because it shows people can evolve.

As I noted in the 2004 quote, Bernice King was a congregant at Bishop Eddie Long’s New Birth Missionary Baptist Church. One cannot help but believe that that horrific scandal involving the prosperity gospel advocate had an impact on Ms. King. Long settled with four young men who accused him of being a sexual predator under the guise of ministering to them. As civil rights legend Julian Bond observed about Long in 2010:

“He said that homosexuality is worthy of death. He is a raving homophobe,” said the civil rights legend former longtime Georgia legislator.“If [the allegations] are true, it’s just sort of typical of people who are raving homophobes who are secretly homosexual. And who are homophobes because they are filled with so much self-loathing and self-hate that they’ve got to let it come out in some way, and it comes out in homophobia.”

In the wake of this, Bernice King left New Birth, and clearly, with her appearance at this year’s MLK Day, she wanted the public to see her evolution on the matter of the civil rights – and the inclusion of LGBTs in that social justice fight.

Paulina Helm-Hernandez, the LGBT honorary grand marshal for today’s march and rally, said she also was surprised to hear King’s inclusive words.

“I thought it was great. First time I’ve ever heard her say lesbian, gay, bi and trans out loud,” she said.“She said homosexual at first and then corrected herself. It takes a lot of grace to do something like that when you’re on a roll.

We have to allow for people to grow and learn, and it took courage for King to make her statement. With her declaration, we will now see if Bernice King follows the lead of her late mother, Coretta Scott King, and her late sister, Yolanda, in their advocacy of full equality for members of the LGBT community."

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#16935 Nov 25, 2012
Rev. Dr. James Lawson is a distinguished United Methodist pastor who worked side-by-side with Dr. King training the activists who participated in the lunch counter sit-ins and the Freedom Rides of the 1960s. In 2004, he received the Community of Christ International Peace Award. Rev. Lawson said of the plight of many gay people: "Gays and lesbians have a more difficult time than we did. We had our families and our churches on our side. All too often, they have neither."

Rev. Peter Gomes, Harvard University Chaplain: "If society waited for majority opinion and legislative action, African-Americans, for example, would still be enduring the indignities of separate but equal accommodation and the other manifestations of legal, social, and political segregation. If the decision of the Supreme Judicial Court in Goodridge is "judicial tyranny," let there be more of it...
To extend the civil right of marriage to homosexuals will neither solve nor complicate the problems already inherent in marriage, but what it will do is permit a whole class of persons, our fellow citizens under the law heretofore irrationally deprived of a civil right, both to benefit from and participate in a valuable yet vulnerable institution which in our changing society needs all the help it can get." (Boston Globe, 2/8/04)

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#16936 Nov 25, 2012
"And yet while their story of oppression and injustice is not the same as ours, it is equally valid. African-Americans recognize injustice when we see it. Gays and lesbians have been incarcerated, brutalized, lobotomized, raped, castrated, and robbed of their jobs, families and children." http://www.edgeboston.com/news/politics/news/...

The Rev. Jesse Jackson, speaking in opposition to California's Proposition 8, said, "To those that believe in and fought for civil rights, that marched to end discrimination and win equality, you must not become that which you hated.... Those that support civil and human rights cannot, must not, become perpetrators of discrimination against others based upon race, religion, culture, sexual orientation."
In 2009, Julian Bond wrote, "Black people, of all people, should not oppose equality. And that is what gay marriage represents.... No people of good will should oppose marriage equality. And they should not think that civil unions are a substitute. At best, civil unions are separate but equal. And we all know separate is never equal."

John Lewis, testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee on the Defense of Marriage Act, remarked, "I am very happy to see the Judiciary Committee holding hearings to address the issue of marriage equality. But at the same time, I must admit I find it unbelievable that in the year 2011 there is still a need to hold hearings and debate whether or not a human being should be able to marry the one they love."

Rev. Dr. William Barber II, North Carolina NAACP chairman, declared, "They're trying to give people, based on their sexuality, a kind of second- or third-class citizenship. We know what that looks like in the NAACP, and we're calling it what it is."

The Rev. Al Sharpton, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, South African President Nelson Mandela, the Rev. Dr. James Lawson, National NAACP President Benjamin Todd Jealous - a veritable Who's Who of civil rights - all support marriage equality.

Julian Bond, who testified, "When I'm asked if gay rights are civil rights, my answer is always:'Of course they are.' Civil rights are positive legal prerogatives, the right to equal treatment before the law.... There's no one in the United States who does not, or should not, share in enjoying these rights."

http://www.thepilot.com/news/2012/mar/18/yes-...

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#16937 Nov 25, 2012
By James A. Lopata :

"In the book Lost Prophet: The Life and Times of Bayard Rustin, historian John D'Emilio portrays King — even in defiance of his other advisors — as one who always backed the out homosexual Rustin.
In one poignant example of King's support, D'Emilio describes a critical moment in the planning for what would become known as the Great March on Washington of 1963 where King would deliver his immortal "I Have a Dream" speech.

The planners had just decided as a group that despite Bayard Rustin's superior activist and organizational abilities, they would not make him director of the March.

Instead, they asked A. Phillip Randolph, a man renowned for his labor activism on behalf of African-Americans — in fact, a seated statue of him in the waiting area to the Back Bay commuter and railway station in Boston commemorates his efforts as the first president of the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters.

Randolph immediately said he would decline the director position unless he would be allowed to appoint his deputy, and that that deputy would be Bayard Rustin.

Rustin was a risky choice, and not just because King's advisors were uncomfortable with his homosexuality. Rustin had been convicted in 1953 of "sex perversion," which, at the time, was criminal activity known as consensual sodomy.

U.S. Senator Strom Thurmond from South Carolina, a powerful voice opposing African-American social justice work, made good fodder of Rustin’s conviction, attempting to discredit the entire Civil Rights movement on the floor of the U.S. Senate by tying it to the work of a “sexual pervert,” i.e. Rustin.

With so much at stake, it would have been easy for Randolph, King, and the other planners to simply dismiss the “sexual pervert” Rustin from any active participation.

Randolph, fully understanding the hazards, turned to Martin Luther King, Jr., and asked directly if King supported Rustin as deputy director of the important March. King said:

"I vote yes."

With those three words, even the most reluctant of the group acquiesced.

Gay people like me may not be blood relatives of Martin Luther King, Jr., but many of us count ourselves as sons and daughters in his family of justice.

Clearly, I side with Coretta Scott King in her assessment of King's support of LGBT rights. I know in my sanctified heart that King put his life at stake for social injustice everywhere.

I believe that if King were asked today if he supported gender identity expression rights, civil marriage for same-sex couples, and sexual orientation non-discrimination legislation, he would say:

"I vote yes."

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/blogs/bostons...

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#16938 Nov 25, 2012
WaterBoarder wrote:
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You guys crack me up how you try to ride the backs of the real civil rights movement...
There is not one, single "real" civil rights movement. There have been and are many movements for civil rights. The movement for civil rights for LGBT people is current and ongoing. With people like you in existence, it's certainly needed.
WaterBoarder wrote:
...and make yourselves out to be a minority.
And either gay people constitute a minority of the population or they are the majority. Are you suggesting that they are the latter, and therefore not a minority?
WaterBoarder wrote:
“Neither my great-grandfather, an NAACP founder, my grandfather Dr. Martin Luther King Sr., an NAACP leader, my father Rev. A. D. Williams King, nor my uncle Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. embraced the homosexual agenda that the current NAACP is attempting to label as a civil rights agenda. In the 21st century, the anti-traditional marriage community is in league with the anti-life community, and together with the NAACP and other sympathizers, they are seeking a world where homosexual marriage and abortion will supposedly set the captives free.” Dr. Alveda King
You imagine Dr. King would be proud of his niece's stand against civil rights for gay people? Really?

We could play the dueling quotes for days between those opposed to civil rights for LGBT people and the promoters of civil rights for LGBT people.

This from a group of civil rights activists after President Obama came out in support of civil marriage for same-sex couples:
http://thegrio.com/2012/05/12/civil-rights-le...

Here's one from one of the soldiers in the movement for black civil rights, Julian Bond, in his speech "Gay rights are civil rights" to the HRC Los Angeles Dinner in 2009 while he was chairman of the NAACP:


Or from former SNCC founder and Representative John Lewis, who was beaten and shed blood for civil rights, on gay rights as civil rights: "You cannot separate the issue of civil rights. It is one of those absolute, immutable principles. You’ve got to have not just civil rights for some, but civil rights for all of us."
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/01/19/8...

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#16939 Nov 25, 2012
Coretta Scott King:

"I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of racial justice... But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King, Jr., said,'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere'... I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King, Jr.'s dream to make room at the table of brotherhood and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people."

"We are all tied together in a single garment of destiny... I can never be what I ought to be until you are allowed to be what you ought to be," she said, quoting from her husband. "I've always felt that homophobic attitudes and policies were unjust and unworthy of a free society and must be opposed by all Americans who believe in democracy."

"Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in Albany, Georgia, and St. Augustine, Florida, and many other campaigns of the Civil Rights Movement. Many of these courageous men and women were fighting for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own, and I salute their contributions."

"We have to launch a campaign against homophobia in the black community."
Kom2

West Palm Beach, FL

#16941 Dec 15, 2012
My friends, I comeback to you now from time that Ive had busy. I wanted to wish you all a Merry Christmas now just incase I dont get a chance to later. Christmas is a wonderful time of year for all, where families come together, the birth of Christ is celebrated and much more.

I also came to say of the Evil done by the man who killed many children and adults today at a school. We pray for the families of the victoms who now suffer from there loss, may God comfort them in this time of need and hurt.

Matthew 5:44
But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.

Exodus 14:14
"The Lord will fight for you, and you have only to be silent.”
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#16942 Jan 31, 2013
Kom2 wrote:
My friends, I comeback to you now from time that Ive had busy. I wanted to wish you all a Merry Christmas now just incase I dont get a chance to later. Christmas is a wonderful time of year for all, where families come together, the birth of Christ is celebrated and much more.
I also came to say of the Evil done by the man who killed many children and adults today at a school. We pray for the families of the victoms who now suffer from there loss, may God comfort them in this time of need and hurt.
Matthew 5:44
But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.
Exodus 14:14
"The Lord will fight for you, and you have only to be silent.”
Yes Kom you silly jackass, that is a terrible tragedy.

So how's that dopey jackass alter ego "Robsan 5"? Does he still get frustrated and bark like a dog after he gets his ass handed to him? Tell him I said F you!

Woof! YUK!YUK!YUK!

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