We're Not As Free As We Think: Perhaps Religion Has Something To Do With It

[Quest]

Chance wrote:

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It is a recipe for divorce anyway. As soon as the kid grew up, the pedophile would want to dump him and get a new young one.

What does straight folks historically marrying children have to do with gay adults marrying?

[Curteese]

Chance wrote:

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You apparently aren't smart enough to recognize sarcasm. No, I haven't had work done. I'm not gay. I'm not narcissistic.

Sarcasm, the cheapest and lowest form of "humor" imaginable. If you had been going for irony, that would have shown some deep thinking. Any wise ass can be sarcastic.

[Curteese]

Chance wrote:

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It is a recipe for divorce anyway. As soon as the kid grew up, the pedophile would want to dump him and get a new young one.

My goodness you are sour and bitter and must constantly look for the worst of others, never looking for positive behavior in your fellow man or woman. Have you NO joy of life at all?

[Chance]

Curteese wrote:

<quoted text>My goodness you are sour and bitter and must constantly look for the worst of others, never looking for positive behavior in your fellow man or woman. Have you NO joy of life at all?

You bet. Plenty.

[Chance]

OK, let's try something else. Let's suppose that I go to a printing business. I want him to print some flyers about my church rummage sale. The owner of the printing business is an atheist. He looks over the job, and then he says, "Sorry, I can't do this. I am opposed to churches in general. I believe that if I do this, I will be compromising my own principles." I say, "Thank you for your honesty. Now that I know this, I would prefer not to patronize your business after all." I pick up my papers, go down the street to the next printing office, where they are grateful for my business. In this scenario everybody is free. The atheist is free to run his business the way he sees fit, and I am free to support a business that appreciates the job.

The gay way: I would say, "WHAT!? Have you got something against Christians? You're a nasty jerk. A Christianphobe! I'm going to PUNISH you for that. I am going to SUE you. You'll be lucky to still have a business after I'm done with you. How dare you not accept that I am a Christian? You should not only accept it. You should also applaud it because Christians are superior to none Christians."

Then the government gets involved. They pass laws saying that no business can refuse to do business with a Christian. Who is free? The atheist business owner? No, now he is coerced into doing business that he disapproves of. I'm not as free. Now my choices must be made with less information as business owners will now hide how they feel about Christians. Will I inadvertently hire someone who hates Christians but is forced to hide it? Will they do a lousy job just to get back at me? This is a lose/lose situation.

This article is about being free. I maintain that the way gays are trying to coerce approval from everyone is stealing the freedom from everyone, including the gays.

[Rainbow Kid]

Curteese wrote:

<quoted text>My goodness you are sour and bitter and must constantly look for the worst of others, never looking for positive behavior in your fellow man or woman. Have you NO joy of life at all?

Deriving joy from the put-down of others is BDSM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDSM

[Rainbow Kid]

Chance wrote:

OK, let's try something else. Let's suppose that I go to a printing business. I want him to print some flyers about my church rummage sale. The owner of the printing business is an atheist. He looks over the job, and then he says, "Sorry, I can't do this. I am opposed to churches in general. I believe that if I do this, I will be compromising my own principles." I say, "Thank you for your honesty. Now that I know this, I would prefer not to patronize your business after all." I pick up my papers, go down the street to the next printing office, where they are grateful for my business. In this scenario everybody is free. The atheist is free to run his business the way he sees fit, and I am free to support a business that appreciates the job.
The gay way: I would say, "WHAT!? Have you got something against Christians? You're a nasty jerk. A Christianphobe! I'm going to PUNISH you for that. I am going to SUE you. You'll be lucky to still have a business after I'm done with you. How dare you not accept that I am a Christian? You should not only accept it. You should also applaud it because Christians are superior to none Christians."
Then the government gets involved. They pass laws saying that no business can refuse to do business with a Christian. Who is free? The atheist business owner? No, now he is coerced into doing business that he disapproves of. I'm not as free. Now my choices must be made with less information as business owners will now hide how they feel about Christians. Will I inadvertently hire someone who hates Christians but is forced to hide it? Will they do a lousy job just to get back at me? This is a lose/lose situation.
This article is about being free. I maintain that the way gays are trying to coerce approval from everyone is stealing the freedom from everyone, including the gays.

Its deja vu all over again
http://www.sitins.com/2feb1960.pdf

[TomInElPaso]

Insert black for churches and even a bigot could figure it out.

Chance wrote:

OK, let's try something else. Let's suppose that I go to a printing business. I want him to print some flyers about my church rummage sale. The owner of the printing business is an atheist. He looks over the job, and then he says, "Sorry, I can't do this. I am opposed to churches in general. I believe that if I do this, I will be compromising my own principles." I say, "Thank you for your honesty. Now that I know this, I would prefer not to patronize your business after all." I pick up my papers, go down the street to the next printing office, where they are grateful for my business. In this scenario everybody is free. The atheist is free to run his business the way he sees fit, and I am free to support a business that appreciates the job.
The gay way: I would say, "WHAT!? Have you got something against Christians? You're a nasty jerk. A Christianphobe! I'm going to PUNISH you for that. I am going to SUE you. You'll be lucky to still have a business after I'm done with you. How dare you not accept that I am a Christian? You should not only accept it. You should also applaud it because Christians are superior to none Christians."
Then the government gets involved. They pass laws saying that no business can refuse to do business with a Christian. Who is free? The atheist business owner? No, now he is coerced into doing business that he disapproves of. I'm not as free. Now my choices must be made with less information as business owners will now hide how they feel about Christians. Will I inadvertently hire someone who hates Christians but is forced to hide it? Will they do a lousy job just to get back at me? This is a lose/lose situation.
This article is about being free. I maintain that the way gays are trying to coerce approval from everyone is stealing the freedom from everyone, including the gays.

[GoldenGator]

Chance wrote:

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You bet. Plenty.

Plenty indeed. Too bad that joy is derived from posting witless homophobia and poorly reasoned scenarios that attempt to justify discrimination. Yes, you're overwhelmed with joy, SniKKKers.

[Rick in Kansas]

Chance wrote:

Your imagination is running away with you. I am supporting those people who a simply declining to participate. That does not include the right to be abusive, and I have of no one posting such a sign outside of a bakery or florist. The rest of your post is just gibberish.

Not in the slightest dear, by opposing discrimination protections on the basis of sexual orientation you are supporting just the sort of acts that I described. That photographer in New Mexico that y'all whine about. She exercised her freedom by sending the two women who had asked her to photograph their commitment ceremony, a charming Christian inspired email referring to them as dykes and condemning them to hell. I guess that's what they get for mistaking her for one of the better wedding photographers in the area before checking to see if she was also a f*cking loon. You are insisting on the specially protected right to be abusive in the name of God. If you do not want to do business with the gay folk, that isn't their problem, just as any other ugly irrational bigotry that you might hold isn't the problem of the customers who would be targets of it.

[Chance]

You're all hopeless. You are willing to sell your souls to government in exchange for government control of those who have a different opinion from you. You are totally ignoring that what the government does to control one group turns into control for everybody. You are feeding their hunger for power, which will soon be overweening. You are also ignoring that old saying, "What goes around comes around."

[TomInElPaso]

For your kind, our being publicly condemned, ridiculed, treated as less than equal citizens, being labeled criminals and more in a supposedly democratic republic for the past century isn't even enough.

You want us to continue being treated as lesser citizens, I'd suggest you take your version of equality and shove it up your lily white, shriveled tight ass, Right where it belongs.
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Chance wrote:

You're all hopeless. You are willing to sell your souls to government in exchange for government control of those who have a different opinion from you. You are totally ignoring that what the government does to control one group turns into control for everybody. You are feeding their hunger for power, which will soon be overweening. You are also ignoring that old saying, "What goes around comes around."

[Quest]

Chance wrote:

You're all hopeless. You are willing to sell your souls to government in exchange for government control of those who have a different opinion from you..........

You do know that this is the definition of a Republican, right?

It also applies to evangelicals, and Tea-baggers.

Those types will accept anything, DO anything, pay anything, to make sure that the government controls the minds, souls, bodies, and marriages of Americans they don't agree with.

And then THEY scream against gun control, and too much taxes.

Priceless.

[Rick in Kansas]

Chance wrote:

You're all hopeless.

Well sweetie, you are here peddling your demand for the specially protected right to legally mistreat the gay folk for no other reason than your choice to believe that God is cool with that and we have not lost our f*cking minds. Of course that is going to be a tough sell, that kind of self-righteous selfishness and irrational prejudice should be. Your getting miffed that we aren't kowtowing in deference to your invocations of God is both expected and silly.

Chance wrote:

You are willing to sell your souls to government in exchange for government control of those who have a different opinion from you.

What flavor is the kool-aid? Buttercup, if you want to view the government limiting the freedom of good Christians to mistreat the gay folk in the name of God in the shared public square as selling our souls to the government, you should be putting your therapist's kids through college with that, but it is your right and freedom to believe whatever silliness you want.

Chance wrote:

You are totally ignoring that what the government does to control one group turns into control for everybody.

Uh-huh, I do hear that the pharmaceutical industry has made great strides in the treatment of paranoia.

Chance wrote:

You are feeding their hunger for power, which will soon be overweening.

Cue theme music from the Twilight Zone.

Chance wrote:

You are also ignoring that old saying, "What goes around comes around."

Hon, the one who seems to be ignoring that old saying would be y'all. You insisted on protections for your choice of religious beliefs. I can't hang a "no Christians allowed" sign on my business, nor can I chase you from said business condemning your choice to believe. What goes around, comes around, sweetie.

[Rainbow Kid]

Chance wrote:

You're all hopeless. You are willing to sell your souls to government in exchange for government control of those who have a different opinion from you. You are totally ignoring that what the government does to control one group turns into control for everybody. You are feeding their hunger for power, which will soon be overweening. You are also ignoring that old saying, "What goes around comes around."

Well duh!!!
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When uncivilized people cannot control themselves; they have to be governed