First Australian gay couples to legal...

First Australian gay couples to legally marry

There are 1725 comments on the Chambersburg Public Opinion story from Dec 5, 2013, titled First Australian gay couples to legally marry. In it, Chambersburg Public Opinion reports that:

A state lawmaker and his partner plan to fly 3,500 kilometers across Australia to become one of the nation's first same-sex couples to legally marry at an after-midnight ceremony in the Australian capital.

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Titania

Australia

#1293 Jan 24, 2014
donnie wrote:
homosexual = pedo just ask chippy
Sounds more like you, actually.
Titania

Australia

#1294 Jan 24, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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80 points.
Smirk.
Stay off the ice. It rots your brain, as we can all see.
Titania

Australia

#1295 Jan 24, 2014
Mojo wrote:
<quoted text>Sickening bum bandit,your fooling no one but other fools like yourself,un-natural freak,your kind are not trusted around kids as all poofters are pedophiles!! Bring in the death penalty for pedophiles and it would wipe out all the dirty detested homo's.
No, but you are a rock spider. Stay away from little girls!!

Since: Mar 09

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#1296 Jan 24, 2014
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
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Do you mean this?
"We are dealing here with legislation which involves one of the basic civil rights of man. Marriage and procreation are fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race."- Skinner v Oklahoma
"Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival."- Loving v Virginia
"Our Court has not recognized a fundamental right to marry that departs in any respect from the right defined by the US Supreme Court in cases like Skinner which acknowledged that marriage is "fundamental to the very existence and survival of the [human] race" because it is the primary institution supporting procreation and child-rearing (316 US at 541; see also Zablocki, 434 US 374; Griswold, 381 US 479). The binary nature of marriage¬óits inclusion of one woman and one man¬óreflects the biological fact that human procreation cannot be accomplished without the genetic contribution of both a male and a female. Marriage creates a supportive environment for procreation to occur and the resulting offspring to be nurtured. Although plaintiffs suggest that the connection between procreation and marriage has become anachronistic because of scientific advances in assisted reproduction technology, the fact remains that the vast majority of children are conceived naturally through sexual contact between a woman and a man."- Hernandez v Robels
"It is an institution in the maintenance of which in its purity the public is deeply interested, for it is the foundation of the family and of society, without which there would be neither civilization nor progress. "- Maynard v Hill
Smile.
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And you'll note that marriage and procreation are tied intrinsically together.
In other words, at it's most basic essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
As you noted earlier, the impetus is on gays to show they qualify.
Smile.
Such a "tie" is a construct and not natural.

Since: Mar 09

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#1297 Jan 24, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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Of course good parenting skills are important.
However, the bond of birth parents is noted across history and culture, from the saying, "blood is thicker than water", to the Biblical account of King Solomon deciding between two prostitutes who was the mother of a baby.
The fact that gays attempt to negate that distinction only enforces the idea that their motivation is not for the child's best interest.
Good parenting is not instinctive.

Bonding itself is instinctive.

The parent-child bond is not.

Since: Jan 12

Where The Wild Things Grow

#1298 Jan 24, 2014
snyper wrote:
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Good parenting requires the same skill-set, no matter who is doing the job.
Good parenting is NOT instinctive in humans.
The same skill set - yes - good parenting is not instinctive in all humans and nor is it entirely instinctive in any parent.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#1299 Jan 24, 2014
snyper wrote:
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Good parenting is not instinctive.
Bonding itself is instinctive.
The parent-child bond is not.
Did you know that a male lion will kill the offspring of another male in his pride.

Are you aware that the Cinderella effect makes step children 100 times more at risk to DEATH?

The parent/child bond is instinctive.

I find it hard to believe you are ignorant of those things. Your motive slip is showing...

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#1300 Jan 24, 2014
snyper wrote:
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Such a "tie" is a construct and not natural.
Doesn't change the purpose of the construct.

Ss couples don't equate out the gate.

Smile.
Anonymous

Maylands, Australia

#1302 Jan 24, 2014
Think about rings?

Has anyone ever seen the famous online manipulated unmanipulated very settlement tography of Peter and Ling sitting at the board room table approaching an iron paddock together.

That bloke on the left I believe is gay, and skirts so many transvestite faces that he's the bloke who rounded off a 22-calibre rifle, without the company of his sisters daughter Ginia.

What a state concern, what ever happened to his rolls royce green cruiser that parked at Ling's stamp at one Watkins Rd Dalkeith - Bishop his face is identical to the Wright and beavers?

What a sensation to vacate the pool man and mow for the old iron banner.

“Take Topix Back From Trolls”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#1303 Jan 24, 2014
sairla wrote:
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I don't like the idea of children being 'produced' in order to supply offspring for a homosexual couple - there is something about that which doesn't seem right - also, you do make a valid point re the demand that everyone accept homosexuality as 'normal'. In order to protect SS unions and those who are homosexual, it is not necessary that we all accept homosexuality as normal, it is sufficient that we recognise their right to be the way they are without discrimination. People can be different, we can accept differences but to impose that we must not recognise that there is a difference is ridiculous.
You're right, far, far better to allow children be produced by people who neither want, plan for nor have the mental or financial ability to care and raise children. Fathers who squirt their sperm and walk away, mothers who get drunk or high and allow some pig pile on top of them for a moment of inebriated pleasure.

Sorry but you are either wildly ignorant or as bad as any common bigot. That's truly what "doesn't seem right". Your self righteous attitude says more about you than you might want people who think they know you to realize.

“Take Topix Back From Trolls”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#1304 Jan 24, 2014
sairla wrote:
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The same skill set - yes - good parenting is not instinctive in all humans and nor is it entirely instinctive in any parent.
And you believe you are qualified to judge them because?

“Take Topix Back From Trolls”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#1305 Jan 24, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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Did you know that a male lion will kill the offspring of another male in his pride.
Are you aware that the Cinderella effect makes step children 100 times more at risk to DEATH?
The parent/child bond is instinctive.
I find it hard to believe you are ignorant of those things. Your motive slip is showing...
Tell that to the tens of thousands of kids who are abandoned by their parents each year.

You are certifiable in your hatred and anger of homosexuals. It's not their fault your body is so screwed up.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#1306 Jan 24, 2014
TomInElPaso wrote:
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Tell that to the tens of thousands of kids who are abandoned by their parents each year.
You are certifiable in your hatred and anger of homosexuals. It's not their fault your body is so screwed up.
How does that change the facts I stated?
Mojo

Australia

#1308 Jan 24, 2014
TomInElPaso wrote:
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You're right, far, far better to allow children be produced by people who neither want, plan for nor have the mental or financial ability to care and raise children. Fathers who squirt their sperm and walk away, mothers who get drunk or high and allow some pig pile on top of them for a moment of inebriated pleasure.
Sorry but you are either wildly ignorant or as bad as any common bigot. That's truly what "doesn't seem right". Your self righteous attitude says more about you than you might want people who think they know you to realize.
still got your focus on children you filthy pedo,put a plastic bag over your head,think how sorry your family that hates you will be,the father that despises you because his son is a mincing poof that cant be trusted around kids,the grandparents embarrassed & reviled in thier loathing of you...

Since: Jan 12

Where The Wild Things Grow

#1309 Jan 24, 2014
TomInElPaso wrote:
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You're right, far, far better to allow children be produced by people who neither want, plan for nor have the mental or financial ability to care and raise children. Fathers who squirt their sperm and walk away, mothers who get drunk or high and allow some pig pile on top of them for a moment of inebriated pleasure.
Sorry but you are either wildly ignorant or as bad as any common bigot. That's truly what "doesn't seem right". Your self righteous attitude says more about you than you might want people who think they know you to realize.
None of the above mentioned should ever have children - I actually think it says more about you that you need to use the worst possible cases of heterosexual parenting in order to justify homosexual parenting, than my 'self-righteous attitude' says about me. I have never said SS couples should not be parents - as usual you rush in, paranoid as ever - I was talking about the situation where babies are 'produced' under an agreement.

Since: Jan 12

Where The Wild Things Grow

#1310 Jan 24, 2014
TomInElPaso wrote:
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And you believe you are qualified to judge them because?
No one is talking about judging anyone here - the discussion was the type of skills/instinct associated with parenting.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#1311 Jan 24, 2014
sairla wrote:
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No one is talking about judging anyone here - the discussion was the type of skills/instinct associated with parenting.
I love the way you think. It is feminine, but distinct. I really mean that as a compliment.
Titania

Australia

#1312 Jan 24, 2014
Mojo wrote:
<quoted text>still got your focus on children you filthy pedo,put a plastic bag over your head,think how sorry your family that hates you will be,the father that despises you because his son is a mincing poof that cant be trusted around kids,the grandparents embarrassed & reviled in thier loathing of you...
You're sick pedo here, scumbag. Your family are the sort of losers who should have been compulsorily sterilised.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#1313 Jan 24, 2014
sairla wrote:
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I don't like the idea of children being 'produced' in order to supply offspring for a homosexual couple - there is something about that which doesn't seem right - also, you do make a valid point re the demand that everyone accept homosexuality as 'normal'. In order to protect SS unions and those who are homosexual, it is not necessary that we all accept homosexuality as normal, it is sufficient that we recognise their right to be the way they are without discrimination. People can be different, we can accept differences but to impose that we must not recognise that there is a difference is ridiculous.
What about children being "produced" in order to supple offspring for a heterosexual couple? or for farm and ranch hands? or for future soldiers? or for trade tokens in dynastic marriages? or ...

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#1314 Jan 24, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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Did you know that a male lion will kill the offspring of another male in his pride.
Are you aware that the Cinderella effect makes step children 100 times more at risk to DEATH?
The parent/child bond is instinctive.
I find it hard to believe you are ignorant of those things. Your motive slip is showing...
Forming a limerance bond with the first caregiver in the first few days is instinctive for the infant, and a form of fixation. Want to use non-human animal examples? Ok. Baby ducks and goslings imprinting on the first living thing they see ... regardless of species.

Though there are biochemical factor operational during the imprinting period, the parent-child bond is not instinctive for the human parent; not even for the mother, despite the post-delivery endorphin and enkephelin high. The bond, if any, grows over time. Humans do not, per se, imprint.

A biological connection between the bondpair is not required; neither is shared biology a predictor of outcome.

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