Equality foes grow desperate as election approaches

Oct 6, 2012 Full story: www.sgn.org 15

In a remarkable October 3 conference call taped and posted online by Good As You blogger Jeremy Hooper, the leaders of the four current anti-marriage-equality campaigns spoke candidly about their shortcomings.

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“NOW will ya give me”

Since: Sep 12

some fightin' room ? !

#1 Oct 7, 2012
If these hate-fillid people REALLY believed in "biblical marriage", as THE BIBLE DEFINES MARRIAGE, then they would be fighting all out to PROMOTE polygamy. POLYGAMY IS "BIBLICAL MARRIAGE."
Qwerty26

Lewes, DE

#2 Oct 7, 2012
Wow! That was really hard to listen to all the way through. Jeremy, thank you for posting this. I don't know and I don't care how you managed to get onto this call and tape it, but here are some of my most notable take-aways:
First and foremost, this entire anti-gay-marriage thing is 100% faith based. And it better be the right flavor of faith! My cousin, a minister with UCC, would be aghast that her faith is being so misrepresented. They are the self-proclaimed "moral compasses for god," since god apparently cannot speak for itself.
Washington: People in churches are not even aware that there's a marriage question on their November ballot. So pastors need to "educate" other pastors.
Minnesota: The pro-gay crowd is using the same playbook, trying to deceive people into voting the wrong way (perhaps because the ballot question is confusing?). Take away for pastors: Don't be decieve by the opposition!(could it be Santa, I mean, Satan?). Just tell the people: there's an imminent threat to marriage, marriage the way "god" defined it (which just so happens to match the way that WE define it - how convenient). Pray! Pray! Pray! Combat the false messages! Don't let the fags think they are as good as we are! It's for the glory of our deity...
Maine: The only "hold out" in New England on marriage equality (well, they call it "gay" marriage). Being right is not enough on this issue. God, give us the courage (to fight against what humanity knows is right).
Maryland: 25% of the population is black. Those gall-darned commie homos are trying to swipe the civil rights movement. They are pushing a misinformation campaign that voting for marriage equality is OK, but it's NOT, it's NOT, it's NOT. Blacks are being told that they have "permission" to vote for marriage equality. Whitey has hijacked the civil rights movement. Gays don't get lynched, don't get murdered for being gay. They can't claim to be a civil rights movement.(This is one of the more sickly rants of the hour - they are being told that they have "permission" to vote for marriage equality? Permission?)
And this is the one that tells us that we are equipped not only by theology, but by sociology as well. Just look at the brilliant, amazing study done by Mark Regnerus!(Oh, did we neglect to mention that this study has been vilified by actual professional sociologists?)

Their grand finale: this is not a live and let live policy. It's either / or - religious liberty in this country is at stake. It will not survive if even ONE of these marriage battles loses (or wins, depending on one's view). Personal freedoms, parental rights, and religious liberty are at stake! DO NOT BE TEMPTED BY THE EVIL ONE! If one state falls (caves in to Satan), it will lead to the Supreme Court making a decision that is not bible-based (meaning, of course, their interpretation of the bible). It will be just like the Roe case in 1973.
Personal: If I were a Christian and listened to this conference call, I would de-convert immediately.

“NOW will ya give me”

Since: Sep 12

some fightin' room ? !

#3 Oct 7, 2012
Qwerty26 wrote:
Wow! That was really hard to listen to all the way through. Jeremy, thank you for posting this. I don't know and I don't care how you managed to get onto this call and tape it, but here are some of my most notable take-aways:
First and foremost, this entire anti-gay-marriage thing is 100% faith based. And it better be the right flavor of faith! My cousin, a minister with UCC, would be aghast that her faith is being so misrepresented. They are the self-proclaimed "moral compasses for god," since god apparently cannot speak for itself.
Washington: People in churches are not even aware that there's a marriage question on their November ballot. So pastors need to "educate" other pastors.
Minnesota: The pro-gay crowd is using the same playbook, trying to deceive people into voting the wrong way (perhaps because the ballot question is confusing?). Take away for pastors: Don't be decieve by the opposition!(could it be Santa, I mean, Satan?). Just tell the people: there's an imminent threat to marriage, marriage the way "god" defined it (which just so happens to match the way that WE define it - how convenient). Pray! Pray! Pray! Combat the false messages! Don't let the fags think they are as good as we are! It's for the glory of our deity...
Maine: The only "hold out" in New England on marriage equality (well, they call it "gay" marriage). Being right is not enough on this issue. God, give us the courage (to fight against what humanity knows is right).
Maryland: 25% of the population is black. Those gall-darned commie homos are trying to swipe the civil rights movement. They are pushing a misinformation campaign that voting for marriage equality is OK, but it's NOT, it's NOT, it's NOT. Blacks are being told that they have "permission" to vote for marriage equality. Whitey has hijacked the civil rights movement. Gays don't get lynched, don't get murdered for being gay. They can't claim to be a civil rights movement.(This is one of the more sickly rants of the hour - they are being told that they have "permission" to vote for marriage equality? Permission?)
And this is the one that tells us that we are equipped not only by theology, but by sociology as well. Just look at the brilliant, amazing study done by Mark Regnerus!(Oh, did we neglect to mention that this study has been vilified by actual professional sociologists?)
Their grand finale: this is not a live and let live policy. It's either / or - religious liberty in this country is at stake. It will not survive if even ONE of these marriage battles loses (or wins, depending on one's view). Personal freedoms, parental rights, and religious liberty are at stake! DO NOT BE TEMPTED BY THE EVIL ONE! If one state falls (caves in to Satan), it will lead to the Supreme Court making a decision that is not bible-based (meaning, of course, their interpretation of the bible). It will be just like the Roe case in 1973.
Personal: If I were a Christian and listened to this conference call, I would de-convert immediately.
I'm a church-going Christian, and have been a member of The United Church Of Christ since 1996. I have met many fine gay and lesbian pastors in the UCC.

“IT'S TIME TO ELIMINATE”

Since: Mar 11

PROP 8 AND DOMA!!!

#4 Oct 7, 2012
Personally my take on the article is this.......Frank Schubert who ran the Yes on Prop 8 campaign and the Maine campaign in 2009 knows that the lies they told AREN'T working this time around, his group has already tried the divide and conquer route, and though it was somewhat successful in 2008 with Prop 8, it's simply not working this time around......and if the article DOESN'T show animus towards Gays and Lesbians.........I don't know what else will.

Any loss at the ballot box for NOM and their cronies will be devastating to them and their fight!!!

“NOW will ya give me”

Since: Sep 12

some fightin' room ? !

#5 Oct 7, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
Personally my take on the article is this.......Frank Schubert who ran the Yes on Prop 8 campaign and the Maine campaign in 2009 knows that the lies they told AREN'T working this time around, his group has already tried the divide and conquer route, and though it was somewhat successful in 2008 with Prop 8, it's simply not working this time around......and if the article DOESN'T show animus towards Gays and Lesbians.........I don't know what else will.
Any loss at the ballot box for NOM and their cronies will be devastating to them and their fight!!!
I agree.
Qwerty26

Lewes, DE

#6 Oct 7, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
Personally my take on the article is this.......Frank Schubert who ran the Yes on Prop 8 campaign and the Maine campaign in 2009 knows that the lies they told AREN'T working this time around, his group has already tried the divide and conquer route, and though it was somewhat successful in 2008 with Prop 8, it's simply not working this time around......and if the article DOESN'T show animus towards Gays and Lesbians.........I don't know what else will.
Any loss at the ballot box for NOM and their cronies will be devastating to them and their fight!!!
I totally agree with your last sentence - and so do these four horsemen, the state leaders of the fights against marriage equality. Toward the end of their conversation, one of the four (or maybe the moderator) pointed out that there are marriage cases going to the Supreme Court, and if they lose even one at the ballot box, this will give the Court the wherewithal to rule in favor of equality.

The other thing that comes through loud and clear from actually listening to them is their sheer arrogance. They are totally convinced that they know the mind of God on this issue. So you other Christians out there, if you're not on board with them, you must not be a true Christian.

Since: Feb 10

Woodstock, Illinois

#7 Oct 7, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
Personally my take on the article is this.......Frank Schubert who ran the Yes on Prop 8 campaign and the Maine campaign in 2009 knows that the lies they told AREN'T working this time around, his group has already tried the divide and conquer route, and though it was somewhat successful in 2008 with Prop 8, it's simply not working this time around......and if the article DOESN'T show animus towards Gays and Lesbians.........I don't know what else will.
Any loss at the ballot box for NOM and their cronies will be devastating to them and their fight!!!
I agree, any loss would be devastating, but imagine what three votes to permit equality would do to them.

Not only would it be a major turning point in public opinion, but it would also be influential in the Supreme Court cases. I think it is getting more feasible that we will see these three states added to the equality list and I think my own state of Illinois will get there soon through the courts, if not by legislative action even sooner.

If these wins occur, it would start an avalanche throughout the country.
Qwerty26

Lewes, DE

#8 Oct 7, 2012
Can't help but wonder if the NOM team is huddling right now to decide how to spin one or more defeats for their side.

They wouldn't be able to say, "every time the public votes, marriage wins" any more. And the line,'every time the public votes (except once, twice, or thrice), marriage wins" doesn't have the same ring to it.

I sure hope they are in that position on Nov 7.

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#9 Oct 7, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
Personally my take on the article is this.......Frank Schubert who ran the Yes on Prop 8 campaign and the Maine campaign in 2009 knows that the lies they told AREN'T working this time around, his group has already tried the divide and conquer route, and though it was somewhat successful in 2008 with Prop 8, it's simply not working this time around......and if the article DOESN'T show animus towards Gays and Lesbians.........I don't know what else will.
Any loss at the ballot box for NOM and their cronies will be devastating to them and their fight!!!
I was just on the thread, "What do the anti gay really fear"?

This thread gave me the answer to that question.

They're afraid of being ignored.

That's the thing about fundamentalism. There can be no separation of church and 'state'. Education must be strictly monitored and controlled. Recruitment at an early age is vital (that way we get at least some money coming in the plate for s few years).

“Engaged to the love of my life”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#10 Oct 7, 2012
It's hilarious when they use the "Satan wants to destroy marriage" line. Besides the obvious tons of changes to marriage over the centuries (polygamy, marrying slaves, marrying your rapist, et cetera), marriage is no longer religious. Once it became civil, once it started getting benefits from the government, once the government started having to issue a license, the issue stopped being religious. Sure, some can have religious ceremonies and consider their marriage religious, but marriage in and of itself is not religious anymore.

The other thing is, aren't these people doing Satan's work by making people commit suicide through discrimination and all the hate going around? Isn't hate satanic?

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#11 Oct 7, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>I was just on the thread, "What do the anti gay really fear"?
This thread gave me the answer to that question.
They're afraid of being ignored.
That's the thing about fundamentalism. There can be no separation of church and 'state'. Education must be strictly monitored and controlled. Recruitment at an early age is vital (that way we get at least some money coming in the plate for s few years).
You've Got To Be Carefully Taught - Matthew Morrison & Paulo Szot (South Pacific)

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#12 Oct 7, 2012
Qwerty26 wrote:
Can't help but wonder if the NOM team is huddling right now to decide how to spin one or more defeats for their side.
They wouldn't be able to say, "every time the public votes, marriage wins" any more. And the line,'every time the public votes (except once, twice, or thrice), marriage wins" doesn't have the same ring to it.
I sure hope they are in that position on Nov 7.
Actually Brian Brown (NOM) has already tried out the "35 of 36 or whatever" line last month in an interview. They are definitely preparing for at least one loss.

I'm sure the anti-gays will also attempt to minimize any losses in those "liberal east/west coast" states.

Their REAL problem will be if Maryland also upholds their marriage equality law, especially when they've put so much into making this a black v gay thing.

In the end, they can spin it however they want, but ANY loss will be devastating to the anti-gay movement.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#13 Oct 7, 2012
Ron431 wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree, any loss would be devastating, but imagine what three votes to permit equality would do to them.
Not only would it be a major turning point in public opinion, but it would also be influential in the Supreme Court cases. I think it is getting more feasible that we will see these three states added to the equality list and I think my own state of Illinois will get there soon through the courts, if not by legislative action even sooner.
If these wins occur, it would start an avalanche throughout the country.
I think you're spot on.

The anti-gays know any loss at the ballot box will really hurt their chances before the SCOTUS. If we can show the country is indeed moving toward marriage equality, then it makes it all that much harder for the SCOTUS to put the brakes on.

Illinois, Delaware, Hawaii, & Rhode Island are all likely to pass marriage equality bills by the time the SCOTUS rules on DOMA in Jun 2013. Throw in California, and we're looking at 1/4th of the states containing 1/3rd of the population living with marriage equality.

We are on the verge of reaching the critical mass necessary to achieve our goal of marriage equality nationwide by the end of the decade. I don't think any election could be more important than this one.

“IT'S TIME TO ELIMINATE”

Since: Mar 11

PROP 8 AND DOMA!!!

#14 Oct 7, 2012
I would tend to agree with the above posts........any loss at the ballot box would be devastating and don't believe Schubert when he claims NOM is broke.....somewhere I read that they have like 2 million hidden away......and the divide and conquer line ain't working so well this time around!!!

Oh and if this doesn't show the animus towards Gays and Lesbians.......I don't know what else will!!!

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#15 Oct 8, 2012
I love this line from the article:

"....and finally to pray that the Holy Spirit will bless our efforts, and come down and move minds and hearts in these four critical states."

Maybe the Holy Spirit has already decided that its' influence should be to back Marriage Equality, and the Earthly churches are behind the curve. It might well be time for these "ministers" to go back and read their Bibles in order to regain their knowledge of its' basic tenets of love, compassion, and forgiveness.

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