if being gay is so right, why do gay...

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#20610 Jan 7, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Ironically, even inaccurate disease transmission information demonstrates the importance of promoting stable monogamous relationships through marriage.
It also demonstrates the importance of promoting education about safe sex practices and risk reduction, including monogamy.
While intended to demonize and excuse legal discrimination, the low disease rate for gay women shows being gay is not in itself a risk factor for disease transmission. What the information shows is anyone can become infected if exposed to an infectious agent in a way that allows transmission.
I never understood all the hype against SSM. It could only help by encouraging less risky behavior. A good many AIDS epidemic folks have gone for commitment. I know several who have been together over 30 years.

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#20611 Jan 8, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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I never understood all the hype against SSM. It could only help by encouraging less risky behavior. A good many AIDS epidemic folks have gone for commitment. I know several who have been together over 30 years.
You are being rational.

I agree encouraging committed, monogamous relationships through marriage helps prevent the spread of disease, and is therefore among the many reasons marriage should be encouraged rather than prevented. But many of those opposed to marriage equality are opposed to any legal equal rights for gay people. It is the acceptance of gay people as a normal minority of the population that they fear.

"Prejudices are rarely overcome by argument; not being founded in reason they cannot be destroyed by logic”
Tryon Edwards

And yet: "No prejudice has even been able to prove its case in the court of reason” Marguerite Gardiner
splat

Mullica Hill, NJ

#20612 Jan 8, 2013
Being gay is how we are, Leave us alone

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#20613 Jan 9, 2013
Arcadio Stanford wrote:
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What's wrong to you?
Hurting others. Hating out of fear and ignorance. Pretty much everything I find wrong will fall under those.
What is wrong with two people loving each other? What difference does their genders have to do with it being right or wrong?
How does it harm you?

Since: Jun 11

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#20614 Jan 9, 2013
While science avoids making moral judgements, science demonstrates that prejudice and discrimination cause harm in a wide variety of ways, including contributing to suffering and death. Most can agree causing needless suffering and death is immoral.

Many can agree love is moral. Science also shows love is healthy and healing when based on mutual respect, trust, and compassion.

If the basis for morality is avoiding needless harm to others, accepting gay people as a natural minority of the population as do all mainstream scientific organization, reduces harm rather than increases harm, and therefore would be moral.

Theft, murder, adultery, child abuse, all harm others, while love between equals harms no one. Accepting love in no way diminishes the standard of harm as a basis for morality.

"Every religion emphasizes human improvement, love, respect for others, sharing other people's suffering. On these lines every religion had more or less the same viewpoint and the same goal." (The Dalai Lama)

So morality for most requires not harming others, while condemnation and use of the law to punish gay people causes harm. Love is good, harm is bad.

Or, "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 7:12)
Martin Waninger

Huddinge, Sweden

#20615 Jan 18, 2013
The guy who wrote this is retarded. Homosexauls are like every other person and do not "broadcast" their sexuality. Some may feel the need to because homosexuality is obviously not as accepted as being straight, which i feel you contribute to with this retarded thread.
TheNecromancer

East Lansing, MI

#20617 Jan 20, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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And yet: "No prejudice has even been able to prove its case in the court of reason” Marguerite Gardiner
It wouldn't be called a "prejudice" if you could prove its case in the court of reason.
dawn

Singapore, Singapore

#20618 Feb 18, 2013
Robert wrote:
Real Americans believe in freedom for people unlike themselves.
That includes people of other races, faiths, and sexual orientation.
An attempt to rally people to support stealing other people's freedom-- that's the wrong here.
If you don't support freedom for all Americans, move now.
yea sure americans couldnt even bare to see people wearing scarfs on their heads during 911 and you say that they support other races? yea true americans all the way!

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#20619 Feb 18, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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You are being rational.
I agree encouraging committed, monogamous relationships through marriage helps prevent the spread of disease, and is therefore among the many reasons marriage should be encouraged rather than prevented. But many of those opposed to marriage equality are opposed to any legal equal rights for gay people. It is the acceptance of gay people as a normal minority of the population that they fear.
"Prejudices are rarely overcome by argument; not being founded in reason they cannot be destroyed by logic”
Tryon Edwards
And yet: "No prejudice has even been able to prove its case in the court of reason” Marguerite Gardiner
Wouldn't the public health issue be in the state's interest?

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#20620 Feb 19, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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Wouldn't the public health issue be in the state's interest?
Yes.
This is one of the rational arguments for marriage equality. Creating extra difficulties in forming committed relationships by denial of equal treatment, is counterproductive, and not a legitimate governmental interest.
Tiffany

United States

#20622 Mar 6, 2013
you are so right iam happy you know God
Dan wrote:
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I wonder why they mope and gripe about it. If you couldn't obtain benefits because of YOUR sexual preference, color, religious beliefs, wouldn't you be broadcasting it? "I BELIEVE IN A GOD, WHAT DOES MY BELIEF SYSTEM HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HEALTH INSURANCE?"

Since: Aug 11

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#20623 Mar 7, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Yes.
This is one of the rational arguments for marriage equality. Creating extra difficulties in forming committed relationships by denial of equal treatment, is counterproductive, and not a legitimate governmental interest.
Exactly.

Since: Jan 13

Reno, NV

#20624 Mar 7, 2013
Matthais wrote:
The loudmouth Christians are far more annoying. At least gay people don't feel some need to convert you to the Church of Teh Ghey. Bible thumpers, on the other hand, keep trying to convert you.

I wish they'd all just keep quiet.
Well put
Ash

Canada

#20625 Mar 10, 2013
Matthais wrote:
The loudmouth Christians are far more annoying. At least gay people don't feel some need to convert you to the Church of Teh Ghey. Bible thumpers, on the other hand, keep trying to convert you.
I wish they'd all just keep quiet.
K first off by you calling ppl bible thumpers is no different then calling a gay a fag. I love my Lord very much and I am gay. Do I struggle with life's understandings and Gods plans for me? Yes but it's also each persons individual journey. People don't have to like the sin but they have to love the sinner. That goes for all sins. It's not about who's right, no one is. And no one will no until judgement day. That goes for me as we'll. so try to love one another instead of calling ppl down its get sickening to see.

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#20626 Mar 10, 2013
Ash wrote:
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K first off by you calling ppl bible thumpers is no different then calling a gay a fag. I love my Lord very much and I am gay. Do I struggle with life's understandings and Gods plans for me? Yes but it's also each persons individual journey. People don't have to like the sin but they have to love the sinner. That goes for all sins. It's not about who's right, no one is. And no one will no until judgement day. That goes for me as we'll. so try to love one another instead of calling ppl down its get sickening to see.
I disagree about the similarity in terms. Being referred to as a Bible thumper is not the same as being called a fag. It just is not, and you are not qualified to judge what is or is not sin. If there is A God, that would be Its job, not yours.
I find your lack of proper English skills sickening. I wouldn't call you stupid, but you certainly come off as being very uneducated. Most of the posters I read for whom English is a second or third language do a much better job.

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#20627 Mar 10, 2013
NWmoon wrote:
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I disagree about the similarity in terms. Being referred to as a Bible thumper is not the same as being called a fag. It just is not, and you are not qualified to judge what is or is not sin. If there is A God, that would be Its job, not yours.
I find your lack of proper English skills sickening. I wouldn't call you stupid, but you certainly come off as being very uneducated. Most of the posters I read for whom English is a second or third language do a much better job.
I agree

Those are two very different terms.

I'd add, not all Christians believe love is a sin when based on mutual respect between equals.

Many believers and non believers as well, understand those beliefs that contribute to needless suffering and death cannot be accepted as legitimate, and should be opposed by all compassionate and civilized humans.

Since: Jun 11

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#20628 Mar 10, 2013
There are many people who have devoted their lives to understanding the bible who arrive at the conclusion it does not condemn loving same sex relationships. Entire books have been written, explaining their understanding of scripture.

Dr. James B. Nelson, Professor of Christian Ethics, United Theological Seminary, believes "what the Bible forbids is acts of lust, rape, idolatry, violation of religious purity obligations, or pederasty, but not condemnation of homosexuality in relationships of mutual respect and love."

"The New Testament and Homosexuality" Robin Scroggs, Prof of New Testament at Union Theological Seminary is a serious theologian and is favorable reviewed by many theologians. He is a happily married heterosexual with no personal bias. He includes cites from Boswell and expands further especially on pederasty and concludes there is nothing biblically wrong with homosexuality.

"What the Bible Really Says About Homosexuality" by Daniel Helminiask, PH.D., was ordained as a Catholic priest in 1967 and is incardinated in the Diocese of Pittsburgh. From 1981-1985 was Assoc Prof for Systematic Theology at Oblate School of Theology and earlier completed his Ph.D. in systematic theology at Boston College and Andover Newton Theological School. He concludes the Bible says absolutely nothing about homosexuality being sinful when you examine the actual Hebrew/Greek texts."

Baptist Rev Dr. William R. Stayton, Divinity degree from Andover
Newtown Theological School and on faculty of LaSalle University's Grad program in Religious studies:- "There is nothing in the Bible regarding homosexual orientation. In fact, the Bible does not concern itself with sexual orientation. It does speak against gang rape, male prostitution for religious purposes, and pederasty. I lead bible study programs on this subject and am convinced that the Bible does not address the issue of a person's sexual orientation."

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#20630 Mar 10, 2013
NoQ wrote:
Because they just can't help themselves.
Speak for yourself.
str8

Fargo, ND

#20631 Mar 25, 2013
Katie wrote:
Gay people are just people ,people have got to stop singling them out,i've met gay people,they told me straight away,i was cool with it,BE LOUD BE PROUD.....people who say there's something wrong with being gay are just as bad as racists,i've had friends who had a problem with gays,i hate hem now,they are assholes,i am VERY open minded towards people,let people do and what they want,it's their life why should people say what they're doing with their life is wrong.
Why should people say it's wrong? Because it is. If the creator meant for us to be gay there would be no need for vajayjays and wieners and everyone would be born with stamens and pistils. We would all be birds, and pollenated by bees. If a group of people starts growing in numbers that says it's their choice to be intimate with their animals, would that suddenly make beastiality okay? It's been wrong for centuries for a reason. It is sick. It is hedonistic and damning behavior. People who are gay have psychological,emotional,spirit ual deficits. Do I hate them? No. Do I think they are disgusting? Yes. That's my right.

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#20632 Mar 25, 2013
str8 wrote:
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Why should people say it's wrong? Because it is. If the creator meant for us to be gay there would be no need for vajayjays and wieners and everyone would be born with stamens and pistils. We would all be birds, and pollenated by bees. If a group of people starts growing in numbers that says it's their choice to be intimate with their animals, would that suddenly make beastiality okay? It's been wrong for centuries for a reason. It is sick. It is hedonistic and damning behavior. People who are gay have psychological,emotional,spirit ual deficits. Do I hate them? No. Do I think they are disgusting? Yes. That's my right.
It's right if one is gay. Your analysis is badly flawed. First of all, we have no proof that a creator even exists. It the creator exists, then the creator must have some purpose for creating variance in sexual orientation. In fact, it has been proven that homosexuality exists in other species. Pedophilia and bestiality is non-consensual so no, it should not be made legal. Expert medical professionals agree that homosexuality is simply another state of being rather than a defect. Your post is disgusting because you are completely ignorant as though you live in the Dark Ages. You have a right to be stupid but don't expect intelligent people to accept your ignorance as fact.

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