Florida teacher suspended for anti-ga...

Florida teacher suspended for anti-gay Facebook posts

There are 788 comments on the www.proudparenting.com story from Aug 18, 2011, titled Florida teacher suspended for anti-gay Facebook posts. In it, www.proudparenting.com reports that:

Jerry Buell [pic] has been suspended from the classroom and reassigned while the Lake County School Board investigates Facebook messages in which he said he "almost threw up" when he heard about NY's marriage equality, which he also said was part of a "cesspool."

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Since: Jul 11

Los Angeles, CA

#21 Aug 18, 2011
Juanpaul wrote:
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**TROLL ALERT**
Please do not insult the trolls that live under the bridges near my home. They are nice trolls and do not eat the children anymore.
BS Detector

Los Angeles, CA

#22 Aug 18, 2011
JohnInToronto wrote:
I know other people will vehmently disagree with me but I do not believe he should be suspended for comments outside the classroom and not made public without a specific search for them.
Remember also, that throughout history there were many people who were absolute bigots in writing but got on personally with members of the group they supposedly hated. A good example is Hermann Levi as Wagner's choice of conductor for the Ring.
Since -- unless the post contains information to the contrary not listed in the article -- he did not call for violence against anyone or mention members of the class he taught, I believe he should have a right to say these things without repercussion.
Wait a sec. You are coming out in support of the First Amendment which was specifically designed to protect unpopular political speech?

Bravo. You are a brave man.
BS Detector

Los Angeles, CA

#23 Aug 18, 2011
nhjeff wrote:
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Many teachers friend their students. If this teacher did, then he's not really off-duty when he posts on FB. If he had been careful to segregate his FB activities from his teaching activities, then I would agree with you.
Aren't you then restricting his freedom of association (that same First Amendment thing) because you don't approve of his opinion?

Were I a teacher, I might think twice about friending any students for the reasons you suggest.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#24 Aug 18, 2011
bill wrote:
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Oh please...TX has the 4th largest gay population in the US and has a slightly higher percentage of gay population to total population than does Pennsylvania.
I have only been in Houston briefly, but Dallas has a ROCKING gay population. I LOVED it when I visited recently!

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#25 Aug 18, 2011
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> Aren't you then restricting his freedom of association (that same First Amendment thing) because you don't approve of his opinion?
Were I a teacher, I might think twice about friending any students for the reasons you suggest.
I don't think ANY teacher should "friend" students at all. It is not a social club, but a professional teacher-student relationship.

There is enough trouble with teachers getting TOO friendly with students, recall the almost monthly older woman, younger man escapades, and other activities.

It is NOT a good idea for adults to get too cozy with kids who are not related, or good friends of the kids' parents. Too many boundary issues may pop up.

Even college instructors should keep it in their pants. It is crossing a line of professionalism to pal around with students. Wait until they graduate to be pals!
Bob

Houston, TX

#26 Aug 18, 2011
cheekiey wrote:
Wow. So much Hatred in Florida
Why ?
Because there is so much 'religion' in Florida.

“The Buybull is innerrrent.”

Since: Jun 08

Tappahannock, VA

#27 Aug 18, 2011
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> Wait a sec. You are coming out in support of the First Amendment which was specifically designed to protect unpopular political speech?
Bravo. You are a brave man.
Then there would be no problem with a teacher publicly tweeting or posting that interracial marriage makes him want to vomit....

Sure.

I think anyone stupid enough not to have a fake account on social media for controversial (or trollish) beliefs is unqualified to teach, anyway, regardless of any controversies.
bill

Tomball, TX

#28 Aug 18, 2011
writewingproxycontin wrote:
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What percentage of that glbt population you're claiming in TX is of the "rumored," Rick Perry sort?
We know Austin's generally okay and that Houston has a lesbian mayor. That ain't TX, anymore than Philly or Pittsburgh are PA, which inbetween is largely a stone age, buybull belt, bigot infested hellhole.
I'm quite aware of how things can be outside of Houston, Dallas, San Antonio and Austin, but that wasn't my point. My point was that making a broad brush condemnation of the entire state of Texas and its 25 million people is just ignorant and not worthy of serious consideration. Especially if that condemnation is coming from someone in a state that twice elected Rick Santorum as US Senator. That last sentence was written somewhat facetiously. But not entirely!
bill

Tomball, TX

#29 Aug 18, 2011
writewingproxycontin wrote:
What percentage of that glbt population you're claiming in TX is of the "rumored," Rick Perry sort?
I can only assume that the numbers that I'm "claiming" (actually, it's the US Census Bureau by way of its American Community Survey that's making the claim) are for people who openly self-identify as gay. Unless census workers have acutely tuned gaydar!

Anyway, if the non-out GLBT population could somehow be counted that would only further increase the total gay population figures.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#30 Aug 18, 2011
nhjeff wrote:
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Many teachers friend their students. If this teacher did, then he's not really off-duty when he posts on FB. If he had been careful to segregate his FB activities from his teaching activities, then I would agree with you.
I taught in a junior high school many years ago. If I was a teacher today, I would probably not have a Facebook account at all. I don't think it's a good idea for students to know that much about their teachers' private life, regardless of what's going on in it.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#31 Aug 18, 2011
IrishmanLA wrote:
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Please do not insult the trolls that live under the bridges near my home. They are nice trolls and do not eat the children anymore.
If they don't eat children anymore, what's the point of having them?

“Gay & Proud & Lawfully Married”

Since: Jan 07

Porterville CA

#32 Aug 18, 2011
JohnInToronto wrote:
I know other people will vehmently disagree with me but I do not believe he should be suspended for comments outside the classroom and not made public without a specific search for them.
Remember also, that throughout history there were many people who were absolute bigots in writing but got on personally with members of the group they supposedly hated. A good example is Hermann Levi as Wagner's choice of conductor for the Ring.
Since -- unless the post contains information to the contrary not listed in the article -- he did not call for violence against anyone or mention members of the class he taught, I believe he should have a right to say these things without repercussion.
Quoting from the story
School districts across Florida have recently adopted policies on how teachers should use social media. In Orange County Schools, teachers are reminded their "private use of internet and social networking is not private" and employees should remain professional in using the communication at all times.

“The Buybull is innerrrent.”

Since: Jun 08

Tappahannock, VA

#33 Aug 18, 2011
bill wrote:
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I'm quite aware of how things can be outside of Houston, Dallas, San Antonio and Austin, but that wasn't my point. My point was that making a broad brush condemnation of the entire state of Texas and its 25 million people is just ignorant and not worthy of serious consideration. Especially if that condemnation is coming from someone in a state that twice elected Rick Santorum as US Senator. That last sentence was written somewhat facetiously. But not entirely!
No, as far as generalizations go it was an accurate one about Texas, just like my generalization of PA as being a talibangelical bigot hotbed of ignorance outside of about four or five places, themselves far from ideal, was accurate.

Perhaps you should re read my earlier post discussing PA...which at least dumped Sen. Frothy Lube's butt, unlike TX with that troglodyte, "rumored" closet case, Perry.
jeff in houston

Houston, TX

#34 Aug 18, 2011
Disgusted American wrote:
<quoted text>shouldn't you be fixing the cinder blocks under your double wide?...and go brush your Summer teeth....Eff u and TX scum state
wow, you feel okay with turning this guy's vile hatred into a bashing ground for whole states?
I'm proud to be gay, proud to be from Texas and proud to say that I don't judge an entire state by a comment made by someone who claims to be from said state.

Since: Jun 11

Campbellsville, KY

#35 Aug 18, 2011
Finally some justice!!!!!!!!!!

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#36 Aug 18, 2011
I noticed in the paper either yesterday or today that in Missouri there is a city that has forbid its' teachers to "friend" students on social websties. That may be the solution to this type of problem, but it will make it more difficult for teachers and students to interact.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#37 Aug 18, 2011
RalphB wrote:
I noticed in the paper either yesterday or today that in Missouri there is a city that has forbid its' teachers to "friend" students on social websties. That may be the solution to this type of problem, but it will make it more difficult for teachers and students to interact.
Then they can do it the way teachers and students interacted for a 4,000 years. Chat in the classroom, or during office hours. There is FAR too much useless communication going on as it is.

I'm going to sound old school, but in my day, there was phones and that was it..and they were hooked to the wall. We went to school and got fine educations without even a calculator. I hear now kids graduate illiterate and not knowing where Canada is. HOWEVER, they can text up a storm!

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#38 Aug 18, 2011
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> Aren't you then restricting his freedom of association (that same First Amendment thing) because you don't approve of his opinion?
Were I a teacher, I might think twice about friending any students for the reasons you suggest.
This issue is what's said in a position of authority. Insulting some of the students that you have authority over is unprofessional, as would be a manager insulting his employees.

Do you think that, if I posted on FB that Indians should be sent back to their sub-continent along with their turbans, there wouldn't be repercussions?

Since: Jul 11

Los Angeles, CA

#39 Aug 18, 2011
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Then they can do it the way teachers and students interacted for a 4,000 years. Chat in the classroom, or during office hours. There is FAR too much useless communication going on as it is.
I'm going to sound old school, but in my day, there was phones and that was it..and they were hooked to the wall. We went to school and got fine educations without even a calculator. I hear now kids graduate illiterate and not knowing where Canada is. HOWEVER, they can text up a storm!
In my senior year of undergrad, I used to run workshops at college to help students in prior years of the courses I majored in. Because I was taught to do the work on paper and only save the calculator for the final step of putting in numbers, that's how I ran my workshops. I had many students come back later to tell me how much more they learned by doing the exercises the way I taught them because they actually had to do the work before they could just plug in numbers. People tend to forget that "tools" are supposed to assist, not replace, skills developed from actually LEARNING how to do things.
palaveroso

London, Canada

#40 Aug 18, 2011
Companies are tracking postings, government is tracking postings. I'm sorry but the teacher has every right to post his opinions but it does hold consequences, especially if he befriends students and at least one of those students is either (closeted)gay or gay-friendly. People are losing jobs and job opportunities and the government is searching out terrorists. He is paying the price for stupidity. TFB. You want to be man enough to scream out that sh!t then be man enough to accept consequences.

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