Leftwing Atheist PhD Confirm Therapy Works!

[LindaS]

Wil, you can start the same thread every day until they ban you again, but they will keep removing your lies.

[LindaS]

In 1973, Dr. Robert Spitzer helped spearhead the removal of homosexuality as a mental disorder from the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual. So, it was quite a media sensation when Spitzer unveiled a controversial new study in 2001 suggesting that some very motivated homosexuals could switch sexual orientations.

The study was criticized by many academics and GLBT advocates for the following reasons:

** Ex-gay lobbyists were used in the study, some even on the payroll of right wing organizations, presenting a conflict of interest.

** Spitzer simply called these right wing activists on the telephone and asked if they had changed. There were no physical measures - such as the polygraph or penile plethysmograph - to corroborate this stated change.

** There were bisexuals used in this study, suggesting that the "changes" that took place were far from impressive.

** Many of the subjects seemed mentally fragile. For example, more than a third of subjects were suicidal before attempting their conversion, and roughly half were "markedly" depressed.

** Most important, even with the entire right wing establishment searching for so-called ex-gay subjects, it still took Spitzer a year and a half to find a mere 200 people for his study. This flies in the face of ex-gay groups, like Exodus International, which claim that there are "hundreds of thousands" of ex-gays.
http://www.respectmyresearch.org/Robert_Spitz...

[LindaS]

http://www.respectmyresearch.org/Robert_Spitz...
Despite his differences with scientists and GLBT advocates, Spitzer made it clear that he did not want his study used to justify discrimination. He also strongly emphasized the fact that he did not think most gay people could become heterosexual and that change was extremely rare.
GLBT Advocates video

"I suspect that the vast majority of gay people – even if they wanted to – would be unable to make substantial changes in sexual attraction and fantasy and enjoyment of heterosexual functioning that many of my subjects reported," Dr. Spitzer told TWO's Besen in his book "Anything But Straight: Unmasking the Scandals and Lies Behind the Ex-Gay Myth.

In a May 28, 2006 article in the Los Angeles Times, Spitzer reiterated what he said in Besen's book.

Spitzer told the New York Times in Feb. 2007 that,“Although I suspect change occurs, I suspect it’s very rare. Is it 1 percent, 2 percent? I don’t think it’s 10 percent.”

"If some people can change – and I think they can – it's a pretty rare phenomenon."

[LindaS]

Unfortunately, the results of Spitzer's study have been misrepresented by right wing groups, particularly Focus on the Family, to make it seem like all gay people could become heterosexual if they prayed hard enough or entered conversion therapy.

For example, Focus on the Family has a "fact sheet" called "Myths and Facts about Homosexuality." Under the heading "Fact" the organization makes the untrue statement, "There is freedom from homosexuality" and backs this up this false claim by citing Spitzer's study.

Focus on the Family has also used Spitzer's study to justify distorting the work of other researchers. For instance, in June 2006, Focus on the Family twisted a study by Canadian researcher Elizabeth Saewyc that showed teenage lesbians had a higher rate of suicide attempts. Canadian Press Melissa Fryrear, a spokesperson for Focus on the Family, blamed gay activists for causing the deaths, saying that teaching self-acceptance caused the young women to be suicidal.

"Regrettably, they think they have to embrace homosexuality because pro-gay advocates told them that they were born gay," said Fryrear.

Saewyc disputed Focus on the Family's assertions and charged that the group had "hijacked" her work for their political agenda. Fryrear defended her misuse of Saewyc's research by bringing up Spitzer's study in a Candadian Press article. Spitzer was forced to address this misrepresentation of his work:

"Unfortunately Focus on the Family has once again reported findings of my study out of context to support their fight against gay rights," said Spitzer. "Although a third of the subjects in my study reported having had serious thoughts of suicide related to their homosexuality, not one of them blamed the gay rights movement's advocating a 'born gay' theory of homosexuality as the cause of their suicidal thinking."

[LindaS]

And watch Alan Chambers, the president of Exodus, say,"We don't have the ability to change anyone."
http://youtube.com/watch...

[LindaS]

And last but not least, the only part of your own narth cut and paste that is right.

Dr. Spitzer says he has not considered doing a follow up study on the individuals he interviewed. "I feel a little battle fatigue.... The study that ought to be done is a controlled study where people go into therapy, and then you initially evaluate them, and then you evaluate them later and see how many actually changed. But that study is not going to be done, unfortunately."

Dr. Spitzer believes that the reason such a study will not be done is that ******"reparative therapists are not scientists--they don't do studies."******

[Imprtnrd]

This is a RE post!

[LOL]

LindaS wrote:

And watch Alan Chambers, the president of Exodus, say,"We don't have the ability to change anyone."
http://youtube.com/watch...

DUH! Yeah!

He's a Christian and says it is God that changes people.

[LindaS]

You didn't watch it Wil. DUH!

[Stewart]

LindaS wrote:

You didn't watch it Wil. DUH!

You've never read what the man reaaly says and stands for.

DUH!

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[LindaS]

Actually, I have been there Wil. So be sure you get your ten cents for that hit on their site. Chambers is far more honest than you are. I found this quote from an interview there:

"New Man: Your ministry is inherently controversial. You have been interviewed by a number of news outlets and you’re unapologetic about trying to change homosexuals. What is your response to someone who says,“They can’t change”?

Chambers: Well my first response is that we don’t change people. I want to be very clear about that. We are people who simply point to the truth and Scripture, to the truth of our testimonies and to the grace of a God who promises He’ll free anyone who submits his will to His Lordship. It will be different for different people. I know a lot of people that didn’t experience a change in their feelings. They didn’t experience the same freedom I did, which is sometimes hard to understand."

[Luke]

LindaS wrote:

Actually, I have been there Wil. So be sure you get your ten cents for that hit on their site. Chambers is far more honest than you are. I found this quote from an interview there:
"New Man: Your ministry is inherently controversial. You have been interviewed by a number of news outlets and you’re unapologetic about trying to change homosexuals. What is your response to someone who says,“They can’t change”?
Chambers: Well my first response is that we don’t change people. I want to be very clear about that. We are people who simply point to the truth and Scripture, to the truth of our testimonies and to the grace of a God who promises He’ll free anyone who submits his will to His Lordship. It will be different for different people. I know a lot of people that didn’t experience a change in their feelings. They didn’t experience the same freedom I did, which is sometimes hard to understand."

DUH!

Did you miss this part of what you quoted, or you it just went over your head? "He’ll free anyone who submits his will to His Lordship."\

DUH!

[McMike]

Wil, you insisting on trolling a gay message board 24/7 protesting how horrible it is to be gay does nothing more then prove how one can not change their queerness no matter how much they huff and puff and type on a keyboard.

Sorry Wil but you're still queer no matter how much you protest.

[Condi Rice]

Luke wrote:

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DUH!
Did you miss this part of what you quoted, or you it just went over your head? "He’ll free anyone who submits his will to His Lordship."\
DUH!

Do yourself and the sane people of the world a favor willy/Bea/Steve/RMOG, etc.......... Drink the Kool-Aid and join the rest of the kooks in the heaven that doesn't exist to be with the "lordship"(HA!) who doesn't exist. DUH!!!

[LindaS]

Luke wrote:

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DUH!
Did you miss this part of what you quoted, or you it just went over your head? "He’ll free anyone who submits his will to His Lordship."\
DUH!

Finish his thought Wil:
a God who promises He’ll free anyone who submits his will to His Lordship. It will be different for different people.*****I know a lot of people that didn’t experience a change in their feelings.******They didn’t experience the same freedom I did, which *****is sometimes hard to understand."****

If God will change anyone, why do so many not change Wil? Even he doesn't understand it.

[Roy]

LindaS wrote:

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Finish his thought Wil:
a God who promises He’ll free anyone who submits his will to His Lordship. It will be different for different people.*****I know a lot of people that didn’t experience a change in their feelings.******They didn’t experience the same freedom I did, which *****is sometimes hard to understand."****
If God will change anyone, why do so many not change Wil? Even he doesn't understand it.

God repeatedly commands against all homosexual acts, in both the Old and New Testaments. Freedom from homosexuality means being happy living in God's Will, which of course means being free from engaging in homosexual acts.

[Coy]

McMike wrote:

Wil, you insisting on trolling a gay message board 24/7 protesting how horrible it is to be gay does nothing more then prove how one can not change their queerness no matter how much they huff and puff and type on a keyboard.
Sorry Wil but you're still queer no matter how much you protest.

You express a deep self hatred. Trying to project your own homosexuality onto somebody you don't know is your worst insult. That is very sad.

Get help. You don't have to remain in such a condition.

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[Rick in Kansas]

Roy wrote:

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God repeatedly commands against all homosexual acts, in both the Old and New Testaments. Freedom from homosexuality means being happy living in God's Will, which of course means being free from engaging in homosexual acts.

If that is what you want to believe, go right ahead, but realize that just because you have created an intolerant and hateful "God" in your own perverted image does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that anyone here has to believe right along with you. The one thing you will never be able to do, no matter how many times you post your usual litany of cut and paste regurgitation of cherry picked verses that not even you fully understand, is prove you are right...

[Rick in Kansas]

Coy wrote:

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You express a deep self hatred. Trying to project your own homosexuality onto somebody you don't know is your worst insult. That is very sad.
Get help. You don't have to remain in such a condition.
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Actually, the worst insult I can think of around here would be to compare someone to you. A clueless and ignorant, hateful little troll that has to create imaginary friends in the pathetic effort to make it appear that there is someone else that might actually agree with his bigotry. You're free to promote your deceptive and dangerous false idols all you want, but realize this, there will always be someone around to counter you with actual facts, logic and reason.

[lndychick]

Wil, wil, silly Sopot, Bea, blah blah blah.

Do you think we won't hunt down and broadcast the truth behind every lie you post?

Do you think haunting Gay sites with repetitive masochistic blather makes you less Gay?

Reparative therapy does not work. Honey come back to us, we are a forgiving people. You don't have to live in this pain and shame any more.