RI's Episcopal Bishop Cites Empirical Evidence To Support Marriage Equality

Jan 19, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Towleroad

Religious figures most often extract from their faith when speaking for or against marriage equality.

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Evidently, as a scientist, the TEC bishop missed the detail that a penis cannot penetrate a penis or that a vagina cannot penetrate a vagina. He must have also missed the fact that the mouth and the rectum are part of the digestive system, not the reproductive system. He must have missed the fact that homosexuals cannot "become one" physically with the use of sexual organs alone. It is also painfully obvious that those who are exclusively cannot reproduce. It is apparent that his theology is as difficient as his science. Look for more TEC losses.
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Yet another apostate who preaches the docttrine of devils.

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Listen to the Word wrote:
Evidently, as a scientist, the TEC bishop missed the detail that a penis cannot penetrate a penis or that a vagina cannot penetrate a vagina. He must have also missed the fact that the mouth and the rectum are part of the digestive system, not the reproductive system. He must have missed the fact that homosexuals cannot "become one" physically with the use of sexual organs alone. It is also painfully obvious that those who are exclusively cannot reproduce. It is apparent that his theology is as difficient as his science. Look for more TEC losses.
If it has lost you it clearly hasn't lost much. Sweetie, if that's the nonsense you want to stand before God with, good luck to you, but you seem to be forgetting that it is God who decides who has gotten His Christianity right, not His Christians.

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Yet another apostate who preaches the docttrine of devils.
So you pray. Good luck with that.

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Listen to the Word wrote:
Evidently, as a scientist, the TEC bishop missed the detail that a penis cannot penetrate a penis or that a vagina cannot penetrate a vagina..........
So, the only basis for any marriage is which tab fits into which slot? That's it?

You must have one sad marriage, my friend.

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Jon wrote:
Apparently this is yet another Episcopal bishop who worships homosexuality and chooses to sacrifice his church to it.
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No David, this is a Bishop who applies God's care and love for HIM, to his care and love for others. He doesn't worship another person's god-given sexual orientation, he tries to understand it based on his knowledge of the love of Christ.

It's folks like you that worship your own ideas, to the exclusion of reality - true idol worship.

If you ever turn to Christianity, you will understand your error.

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Yet another apostate who preaches the docttrine of devils.
Marriage is of the devil?

Who knew?

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Apparently this is yet another Episcopal bishop who worships homosexuality and chooses to sacrifice his church to it.
Homosexual 'marriage' is a complete fraud.
It has been overwhelmingly rejected by homosexuals as an actual practice in every country that allows it, and studies have shown that most such 'marriages' aren't even exclusive arrangements.
No homosexual relationship shares the reasons for government involvement in real marriage. No child is ever born as a direct result and no such relationship can provide a child with a father and mother. Homosexual 'marriage,' where legal, isn't even a basic building block of homosexual society, much less of society as a whole. There is no standardized format for homosexual 'marriages,' and no economically unequal genders are involved.
Why not forget about disenfranchising others in order for force your concocted, failed philosophy into law? Why not try a little live and let live?
Dear Pekin-Manito Manurehead John, David, Caleb, Et Cetera,

No offense. Just at a loss as to what name to recognize.

It is interesting to read your statements. A bit boring sometimes, when you go into repeat mode and post the same old excerpts from Leviticus and I Romans. Nevertheless, your comfort level does show occasionally and you actually engage in some conversation at such times, like you have above.

You finish with "... live and let live?" Also, in the preceding statement, you write, "Why not forget about disenfranchising others in order for force your concocted, failed philosophy into law?"

Yet, these two statements are exactly what YOU would deny and vociferously try to do to others when you repeatedly claim that the scriptural excerpts that you advocate are proper.

You also write that homosexual marriage is a 'complete' fraud. Then, you immediately follow with the statement that "most such 'marriages' aren't even exclusive arrangements." You thereby actually state that you agree that 'some' such 'marriages' ARE actually exclusive.

Since it is the very oldest of the stories in the scripture that you wish to rely upon, how about going back to Abraham who repeatedly asked the Lord for mercy instead of destruction. Whereupon, the Lord repeatedly agreed to grant mercy.

I cannot tell you whether a heterosexual couple will remain married, no matter how many times or to what depth I may interview them before agreeing to marry them. Sometimes, the Lord is the only one who can determine that they should divorce. But, sometimes, it is very obvious that, for various reasons, some couples actually should divorce, allowing one or both to heal and remarry.

The same goes for the couples that are not "traditionally" heterosexual. I know that the whole of homosexuality has a history of being laced with promiscuous behavior, some of which has also led to the spread of disease.

But, this is NOT true of ALL homosexual couples. It is for these who are honestly not conducting themselves in ruinous excess that 'marriage' should be allowed. And, frankly, if this were a normal option, we might see a lot less promiscuity and disease.

Furthermore, there are many homosexual and non-traditional couples, male, female and also intersexed, that do make excellent parents and are very able to provide an excellent family setting to nurture the growth and development of children.

These, I will agree to marry.

Rev. Ken

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James Aist wrote:
Allow me to quote evidence for marriage inequality:
English translation: "Allow me to rationalize my prejudices against you and why we as a society should be making the lives of our lesbian and gay sisters and brothers as legally difficult as possible. By the way, my choice of versions of God and the ONLY one which matters agrees with me, the Bible tells you so."
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1) Sexual relations in straight marriage involve body parts that God designed for each other, whereas sexual relations in gay marriage involve body parts that God designed for vastly different purposes;
English translation: "The choice of versions of God that agrees with me and the ONLY one which matters only approves of vaginal intercourse and only with its lawfully wedded penis and really, really doesn't like acts of sexual intimacy using any body parts other than those two, period. I am going to ask you to suspend disbelief for a moment and pretend that heterosexual relations in marriage would never ever never involve such acts of sexual intimacy and that only two people of the same sex commit such heinous acts. Because if you don't, this argument is going to sound rather silly."
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2) God approves of and blesses straight marriage, but He doesn’t even recognize gay “marriage” as being legitimate, because it doesn’t meet the requirements of His definition;
English translation: "My choice of versions of God and the ONLY one which matters doesn't recognize, let alone bless a "marriage" between couples, never has, never will. His problems with same sex marriages therefore must take precedent over any one else's choice of versions of God or choice of versions of not God or the fact that we have a secular not theocratic government. How many times do I have to keep reminding you that my choice of versions of God is the ONLY one which matters?"
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3) straight marriage can fulfill God’s primary purpose for sexual intercourse by producing children to “fill the earth”, whereas homosexual “marriage” cannot;
English translation: "My choice of versions of God and of course, the only one which matters, like just about every other version of God and of course nature itself approves of sexual reproduction and of course those of us who are of the heterosexual lifestyle are most likely to do this. My choice of versions of God, being a practical sort, only blesses the marriages of male and female in order to avoid any confusion."
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4) heterosexual marriages last much longer than do homosexual relationships;
English translation: "I'm going to toss out a stereotype as a conclusion that you should accept without challenge. At least I'm not blaming my choice of versions of God for it."
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5) adults who were raised in gay households are 12 times more likely to self-identify as gay than adults raised in heterosexual households,
English translation: "I've been suckling from the teat of that wonderful fount of "science" on your and our homosexual problem, Paul Cameron, this is what I know and you should know too. The reason why I'm not citing him as my source for this "fact" here should be obvious."
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6) 58% of the children of lesbians and 33% of the children of gay men self-identified as homosexual as adults (compared to only 2%-3% self-identified adult homosexuals in the general population); and
English translation: "I'm going to continue to tell you just how much I learned from this "esteemed scientist and man of God" whether you or fact likes it or

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not."
James Aist wrote:
7) children raised by homosexual parents are more likely than those raised by heterosexual parents to suffer from poor impulse control, depression, suicidal thoughts, require mental health therapy, choose cohabitation, be unfaithful to partners, contract sexually transmitted diseases, be sexually molested, have lower income levels, drink excessively and smoke marijuana. And now we can add to this list that children being raised by same-sex couples are 35% less likely to make normal progress through school than are children being raised by heterosexual married couples. True equality is a state of being; it is not something that comes by repeating a (false) mantra ad nauseum or passing a law.(free advertisement deleted)
English translation: "I'm sociopathic enough to continue to spew this "scientific fact", that showed up in a pay to publish journal that was once known as, of all things, the Journal of Eugenics. No, I didn't bother to check whether such shocking "findings" were actually supported by the material he claimed to be "reviewing" or not and neither should you. if you are asking why at this point, refer back to the fact that my choice of versions of God agrees with me which is the only one that matters."

Translator's note: If that is the garbage in your heart, mind and more importantly soul, that you want to stand before even your choice of versions of God with, good luck.

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Statistical Baloney!
It's journal published scientifically proven fact written by a renowned researcher with a doctorate in psychology. So what if that journal was originally called the Journal of Eugenics? So what if it's only peer review process is whether your check clears or not? So what if it is based on a pool of only 77 children found in three small studies on same sex parenting out the couple dozen of such studies available? So what if a few of those in that pool were already gay/bi/trans children adopted out of foster care? So what if the renowned researcher behind this is none other than Paul Cameron? So what if he has been ceremoniously booted from every professional organization he has ever belonged to for his torturing the research of others? So what if he was damn lucky not to have been charged with perjury for his allegedly "expert" testimony? So what if he will probably never be allowed to testify in that capacity again in any federal court? His choice of version of God agrees with him, he says so and that is the only opinion that matters.

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<quoted text>Hick, you really should have finished high school..?
No David, if you are still pretending to be Christian, insults and tinkering with another poster's names is blowing your cover.

It's shows a deep hatred for someone else - a hatred you can't quite control.

You need help.

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Truthteller wrote:
<quoted text>..
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
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Now, David, I though you finally grasped that you can't quote Leviticus unless you, and ALL other Christians actually follow all of those laws for ancient Hebrew priests.

You've had to admit that no Christian does, and yet you keep posting this, trying to apply it only to gay folks.

It's almost like you can't stop the repetitive behaviors, even when you know better.

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