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Black clergy air radio ads opposing gay marriage

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Some Chicago-area clergy are getting vocal about same-sex marriage - including through radio ads opposing pending legislation to legalize the practice in Illinois.

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“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#945 Apr 8, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
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It is not suppose to. But the queens are intent on harassing me and have been for some time. So they seek every opportunity to report me about anything and everything. That exposes me to the moderators as a bad guy. It is the usual feminazism and homo-Nazism.
"Be good to your neighbors, who are related to you....and others not related to you for Allah does NOT love anyone vain or boastful."

Qur'an

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#946 Apr 9, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
How does that work? I suggest to make donations directly to Coalition of African American Pastors at this site: http://caapus.org/ Our financial support is necessary to keep them from having to compromise with Zionists. And when they see that we are supporting them, hopefully they will learn to resist zionsitic pressure.
Thanks for the link, I found some interesting reading there.
Kareem O Wheat

Lowell, MA

#947 Apr 9, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
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You are lying. That is where SIV came from. SIV is not the same thing as HIV any more than FIV is the same thing as HIV. I do not know exactly where HIV came from. Scientists do not know either,. Neither do they know exactly where SIV and FIV came from. But, I do know that HIV was first discovered in the Gay Area.
You said it CAME from there, not that it was discovered about there. So you wonder why everybody laughed at you? You fully deserve it. Now I know you will try to pull the excuse of saying that you meant they discovered the first cases there, rather than saying it was created there, to dishonestly save face from you clear embarrassment, but everybody knows otherwise. You are a very, thick, stupid, uneducated man who can't be told anything. And, they aren't sure whether the first cases were found in California or New York, as it seemed to pop up in both places at the same time.

Now take your stupid thick block head and read something useful for a change.

http://www.avert.org/origin-aids-hiv.htm

Do you know what an embarrassment you are for thinking black people? You confirm all of the negative stereotypes that white people have for black people. If I were a thinking black person, I would do everything that I could to embarrass you and shut your screaming ignorant mouth up.

http://www.avert.org/origin-aids-hiv.htm
Abdurratln wrote:
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That is another lie and it is very ridiculous. To the extent that female circumcision is mainly a Muslim practice in Africa, HIV is virtually non-existent among Muslims in general. In Africa the HIV rate of infection is below 1% among Muslims compared to as much as 25% among non-Muslims. In several African Muslim countries, the rate is less than .1%.
Maybe it's true, maybe not. Would you care to quote your sources? Probably not. Because either you have none, or your sources will be seen to be highly suspect. You can say anything you want, but until you can give a credible source, your words are absolutely meaningless except for merely being your opinion and nobody should pay attention to even one single word you say.

Why does this simple, common sense fact need to be explained to an adult?
Kareem O Wheat

Lowell, MA

#948 Apr 9, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>"Be good to your neighbors, who are related to you....and others not related to you for Allah does NOT love anyone vain or boastful."
Qur'an
What verse is that? Can you quote the verse number?
9:113
It is not (fit) for the Prophet and those who believe that they should ask forgiveness for the polytheists, even though they should be near relatives, after it has become clear to them that they are inmates of the flaming fire.
5:22
You shall not find a people who believe in Allah and the latter day befriending those who act in opposition to Allah and His Apostle, even though they were their (own) fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kinsfolk;
4:144
O you who believe! do not take the unbelievers for friends rather than the believers; do you desire that you should give to Allah a manifest proof against yourselves?
3:28
Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather
than the believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of ( the guardianship ) Allah
9:23
O you who believe! do not take your fathers and your brothers for guardians if they love unbelief more than belief; and whoever of you takes them for a guardian, these it is that are the unjust.
Not only does it say don't love them, it says don't even be friends with them, even if they are kin or relatives.
So who is teaching you this crap? If we find anything similar to what you are claiming, we find in in the New Testament.
Matthew 5
43 “You have heard that it was said,‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
So why do I see Muslims always stealing the best parts of Christianity and try to use it for Islam? Because the Quran doesn't have anything like the above, so they steal from Christianity and try to give the Quran the credit.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#949 Apr 9, 2013
Kareem O Wheat wrote:
<quoted text>
What verse is that? Can you quote the verse number?
9:113
It is not (fit) for the Prophet and those who believe that they should ask forgiveness for the polytheists, even though they should be near relatives, after it has become clear to them that they are inmates of the flaming fire.
5:22
You shall not find a people who believe in Allah and the latter day befriending those who act in opposition to Allah and His Apostle, even though they were their (own) fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kinsfolk;
4:144
O you who believe! do not take the unbelievers for friends rather than the believers; do you desire that you should give to Allah a manifest proof against yourselves?
3:28
Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather
than the believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of ( the guardianship ) Allah
9:23
O you who believe! do not take your fathers and your brothers for guardians if they love unbelief more than belief; and whoever of you takes them for a guardian, these it is that are the unjust.
Not only does it say don't love them, it says don't even be friends with them, even if they are kin or relatives.
So who is teaching you this crap? If we find anything similar to what you are claiming, we find in in the New Testament.
Matthew 5
43 “You have heard that it was said,‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
So why do I see Muslims always stealing the best parts of Christianity and try to use it for Islam? Because the Quran doesn't have anything like the above, so they steal from Christianity and try to give the Quran the credit.
Sorry, I jotted it down and then couldn't read my own hasty scrawling.

That nasty little woman who is so self righteous is just as bad as any Christian hypocrite, actually worse, claiming to be THE spokesperson for Muslims. Claims to be daughter of the prophet almost,but only uses her...ahem.."**faith** cough cough as a weapon to use NOT as comfort and love, but as a taunting source. And it IS a woman, sort of, so she says.
Kareem O Wheat

Lowell, MA

#950 Apr 9, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, I jotted it down and then couldn't read my own hasty scrawling.
Actually, it was me that was hasty. I thought you were a Muslim trying to pull their typical crap.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#951 Apr 9, 2013
"The Rev. Billy Owens, Chairman of the Coalition of African American Pastors, says that claims by the gay marriage proponents that they are fighting the same fight as the African American Civil Rights movement of decades ago are just plain wrong. Gays can have any job, attend any school, sit where they want on the bus and enjoy all America has to offer. Hear Rev. Owens tell Tim Constantine exactly why Gay Marriage is not a civil right:"

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Since: Aug 11

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#952 Apr 9, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
"The Rev. Billy Owens, Chairman of the Coalition of African American Pastors, says that claims by the gay marriage proponents that they are fighting the same fight as the African American Civil Rights movement of decades ago are just plain wrong. Gays can have any job, attend any school, sit where they want on the bus and enjoy all America has to offer. Hear Rev. Owens tell Tim Constantine exactly why Gay Marriage is not a civil right:"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =GacRPKtQ7eAXX&feature=pla yer_embedded
YAWN
Kareem O Wheat

Lowell, MA

#954 Apr 9, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
Gays can have any job,
Without being properly qualified like black people?
Abdurratln wrote:
attend any school,
They don't hand scholarships to under performing gay people just because they are gay. But they DO steal scholarships and jobs from white people who worked hard and deserve it, and give it to a less well performing black person. it happens all of the time. But you think you should be able to walk into a place, butcher the English language, and get a well paying engineer's job that you can't do because you aren't qualified to do it? Do you think anybody would hand a job like that to an ignorant, uneducated redneck? Of course not, and yet you expect this to be handed to you? Who are you kidding? Only yourself, that's all.
Abdurratln wrote:
sit where they want on the bus and enjoy all America has to offer.
Do you think that even 20 years ago, A gay man could walk on a bus holding another man's hand and not get kicked off the bus? Your ignorance is simply astounding. Yeah, the white man has a cushy engineering job all lined up for ignorant people like you and waiting for you to claim it. it's called "Sanitation Engineer", because that's what you are qualified for.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#955 Apr 9, 2013
I agree 100% that religi0ous institutions are central to African community life in this country. But it is much deeper than that, even. Civilization originated in Africa. It spread to the rest of the world in large part by religious institutions. The major of these are Christianity, Islam and Judaism. More recently, we are beginning to think that even Hinduism probably started in Africa. But Hinduism goes so far back into history that we cannot be 100% sure at this point. We are sure, however, that the Buddha was a black man and an African.

The thing that all these religions have in common is such institutions as marriage and families. These institutions form the very foundation of civilization. So, it is ridiculous to suppose that Africans would not be extremely pro-family. The fact that 70% of our children in the USA are born outside marriage is a result of slavery. But it does not reflect African values or African civilization. In other words, I am convinced that a return to African identity is key to rebuilding African family life in the USA. Both Islam and Christianity can agree on this. Thus, as a Muslim and a Pan-Africanist, I support the Coalition of African American Pastors.( http://caapus.org/black-pastors-gay-rights-no... )
Kareem O Wheat

Lowell, MA

#956 Apr 9, 2013
The ignorance of many, not all, black people here is simply depressing and it makes me think there truly is no hope at all. The more you give black people, they more they misuse it and hate you for it. They don't see it as a positive step waiting to be reciprocated, they see it as a chance to exploit things. And the more fairly that whites treat them, the more they do this.

So it really looks like there is no hope, and the only solution is to carve out an area strictly for black people, pay them a one time start up fee, and let all of the angry ignorant black people go there, or even force them to go there, and let the more intelligent black people stay with us if they choose to do so.

I can't see any other way at this point. Every positive gesture seems to cause black people tom step backwards rather than forwards. So what can be done with people like that? absolutely nothing. It's like Britain used to do to criminals. They gave up and shipped them out to Australia.
Kareem O Wheat

Lowell, MA

#957 Apr 9, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
I agree 100% that religi0ous institutions are central to African community life in this country. But it is much deeper than that, even. Civilization originated in Africa.
Civilization or existence? Do you know what 14rh century Arabs wrote about blacks in Africa? You don't even want to know.
Abdurratln wrote:
It spread to the rest of the world in large part by religious institutions.
What was Africa's indigenous religion? Kwanza? they didn't even have books back then, and the 14th century Arabs even observed this during that time. One of the quotes commented that they have no books and no intelligence. So where does all of this self serving crap come from?
Abdurratln wrote:
The major of these are Christianity, Islam and Judaism. More recently, we are beginning to think that even Hinduism probably started in Africa.
I just can't believe what I am reading. Christianity, Islam and Judaism all started in Africa? Would you like to tell one of your Arab Muslim brothers this nonsense? So, you might as well throw Hinduism in there while you're at it, for good measure, right? Hey, at this point, don't forget about Buddhism and Taoism while you're at it. Couldn't hurt to throw those in there as well, right? Just throw as much sh!t at the wall as you possibly can in hopes that some of it sticks, right? I've never seen anything so amazing.
Abdurratln wrote:
But Hinduism goes so far back into history that we cannot be 100% sure at this point. We are sure, however, that the Buddha was a black man and an African.
So I made a joke about you doing this before I read your whole post, and here you are, actually doing this. My God!! Are you a white man being paid to make black people look this stupid?
Abdurratln wrote:
The thing that all these religions have in common is such institutions as marriage and families. These institutions form the very foundation of civilization. So, it is ridiculous to suppose that Africans would not be extremely pro-family.
Oh, they're pro family alright, until they have to take care of their kids
Abdurratln wrote:
The fact that 70% of our children in the USA are born outside marriage is a result of slavery.
My friend, you might just be one of the biggest, most ignorant liars that I have ever read in my life. Congratulations, you win the gold star, and in this particular case only, you actually earned it.
Abdurratln wrote:
But it does not reflect African values or African civilization. In other words, I am convinced that a return to African identity is key to rebuilding African family life in the USA.
Do you think there are strong family values in Africa? Why are there all of these abandoned babies there that people such as myself have to support through donations?

You honestly make me puke, not out of anger, but disgust. When i see ignorance such as this, it really makes me believe that there is simply no hope at all. How can you reach anybody that ignores reality and creates his own world to suit himself?

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#958 Apr 9, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
"The Rev. Billy Owens, Chairman of the Coalition of African American Pastors, says that claims by the gay marriage proponents that they are fighting the same fight as the African American Civil Rights movement of decades ago are just plain wrong. Gays can have any job, attend any school, sit where they want on the bus and enjoy all America has to offer. Hear Rev. Owens tell Tim Constantine exactly why Gay Marriage is not a civil right:"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =GacRPKtQ7eAXX&feature=pla yer_embedded
Oh, now you're all Christian when it suits your agenda, huh?

As if your hypocrisy was NOT vile enough, you can't even pick a side now in your hateful prejudice. Despicable.

And for YOUR info, Abrakadabra, gays did NOT have it so swell not that long ago. Gays were not allowed to hold many jobs, not allowed to live in certain homes, were attacked and sometimes beaten to death for merely walking down the street. It is far better now than other days, but not yet.

To quote the Rev. Doctor Martin Luther King. if one group is discriminated against, all groups are discriminated against. Finer truer words never were spoken.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#959 Apr 9, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
I agree 100% that religi0ous institutions are central to African community life in this country. But it is much deeper than that, even. Civilization originated in Africa. It spread to the rest of the world in large part by religious institutions. The major of these are Christianity, Islam and Judaism. More recently, we are beginning to think that even Hinduism probably started in Africa. But Hinduism goes so far back into history that we cannot be 100% sure at this point. We are sure, however, that the Buddha was a black man and an African.
The thing that all these religions have in common is such institutions as marriage and families. These institutions form the very foundation of civilization. So, it is ridiculous to suppose that Africans would not be extremely pro-family. The fact that 70% of our children in the USA are born outside marriage is a result of slavery. But it does not reflect African values or African civilization. In other words, I am convinced that a return to African identity is key to rebuilding African family life in the USA. Both Islam and Christianity can agree on this. Thus, as a Muslim and a Pan-Africanist, I support the Coalition of African American Pastors.( http://caapus.org/black-pastors-gay-rights-no... )
Hey, genius, Buddha was from Nepal, about 2500 miles from Africa. All those other religions are from the Palestine area, a different continent than Africa. golly, not TOO full up of yourself, are you?

Oh, I forgot, you are the daughter of the prophet, aren't you? And still blaming problems on slavery? That ended in 1864, genius. Time to get over that excuse.

Since you prefer Africa so much over the USA, why are you still HERE? GO, already. You will be happy, WE will certainly be happy. A win win.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#960 Apr 9, 2013
Kareem O Wheat wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, it was me that was hasty. I thought you were a Muslim trying to pull their typical crap.
No problem.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#962 Apr 9, 2013
Curteese wrote:
Oh, now you're all Christian when it suits your agenda, huh? As if your hypocrisy was NOT vile enough, you can't even pick a side now in your hateful prejudice. Despicable. And for YOUR info, Abrakadabra, gays did NOT have it so swell not that long ago. Gays were not allowed to hold many jobs, not allowed to live in certain homes, were attacked and sometimes beaten to death for merely walking down the street. It is far better now than other days, but not yet. To quote the Rev. Doctor Martin Luther King. if one group is discriminated against, all groups are discriminated against. Finer truer words never were spoken.
There is no discrimination against homosexuals, a gay may marry a lesbian under the same laws heterosexuals marry. Many homosexuals marry under current law and want to protect the definition of marriage.

It's a false claim, "gays did NOT have it so swell not that long ago. Gays were not allowed to hold many jobs, not allowed to live in certain homes, were attacked and sometimes beaten to death for merely walking down the street." Gays have always passed, shared jobs, real estate and public safety as straights. Didn't you understand the quote?

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#963 Apr 9, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, now you're all Christian when it suits your agenda, huh?
No. It is just that you are all idiot. I am still a Muslim and proud to be one. But at no time in my life have I ever been stupid enough to handicap myself strictly along sectarian lines as I see so many non-Muslims do. Before I was a Muslim, I was a Pan-Africanist, an Nkrumahist to be exact. If you know anything at all about Nkrumahism, you know that it is about the Unification of Africa. Half of Africa is Christian. The other half is Muslim. The biggest fool in the world knows that in order to Unite Africa, we have to find peace and harmony between Islam and Christianity. Let the white man die of sectarianism for all I care. But, in Africa, we have always been able to find peace and harmony between the two communities. And we will continue to do, like it or not.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#964 Apr 9, 2013
Some people cannot even think without permission from the white man. But, we Africans have our own problems to worry about. Let the white man worry about his own problems, especially his sectarianism. Just because he is sectarian does not mean we have to be sectarian.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#965 Apr 9, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Hey, genius, Buddha was from Nepal, about 2500 miles from Africa. All those other religions are from the Palestine area, a different continent than Africa. golly, not TOO full up of yourself, are you?
Oh, I forgot, you are the daughter of the prophet, aren't you? And still blaming problems on slavery? That ended in 1864, genius. Time to get over that excuse.
Since you prefer Africa so much over the USA, why are you still HERE? GO, already. You will be happy, WE will certainly be happy. A win win.
Look at a map, idiot. Adam and Eve were born in Ethiopia. But they WALKED to Mecca in Saudi Arabia and built the Kabah there.

As for the sub-continent, it was once connected to Africa by a land bridge. We know this is true because the people of Tamil Nadu in southern India still have legends that claim they WALKED from Africa. Recently, scientists have found proof that the land bridge did exist in human history.( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemuria_ (continent))
Kareem O Wheat

Lowell, MA

#966 Apr 9, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Hey, genius, Buddha was from Nepal, about 2500 miles from Africa. All those other religions are from the Palestine area, a different continent than Africa. golly, not TOO full up of yourself, are you?
Oh, I forgot, you are the daughter of the prophet, aren't you? And still blaming problems on slavery? That ended in 1864, genius. Time to get over that excuse.
Since you prefer Africa so much over the USA, why are you still HERE? GO, already. You will be happy, WE will certainly be happy. A win win.
Are you trying to actually REASON with him??? When I see an ignorant stone of a head like that, the only thing you can do with them is to at least ridicule them, as they properly deserve, and then simply give up and wish them well in their own land that they desire. There's nothing wrong with an island of ignorance, as long as they stay there. You simply will never reach people with an astounding level of ignorance and lack of real education that they obviously have.

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