Black clergy air radio ads opposing g...

Black clergy air radio ads opposing gay marriage

There are 958 comments on the kfvs12.com story from Mar 19, 2013, titled Black clergy air radio ads opposing gay marriage. In it, kfvs12.com reports that:

Some Chicago-area clergy are getting vocal about same-sex marriage - including through radio ads opposing pending legislation to legalize the practice in Illinois.

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Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#644 Mar 30, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>There are no written records of any pre21st century law licensing same sex marriage.
It is obvious thatthere hasnever beenany such law. Those people are lying plan and simple.

Since: Mar 07

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#645 Mar 30, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>That's true, I've always written there's nothing wrong with homsexuals and homosexuality but that's no reason to redefine marriage law.
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It's certainly a reason to overturn all of the recent laws that ban same sex marriages. After all, THEY are the "re-defination", aren't they?

If banning same gender couples from legally marrying was already enshrined in law from the dawn of time, why were so many amendments and statutes needed?

Sorry.

Laws change. If a legal restriction serves NO state interest or societal purpose, and harms Americans with no rational basis for that harm, such laws need to be "redefined".

And they will be.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#646 Mar 30, 2013
Wat the Tyler wrote:
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Are you implying same-sex couples can't raise children properly? That's homophobic.
That makes me homophobic.
Wat the Tyler wrote:
<quoted text>DOMA is discrimination by denying gay couples over 1000 rights and benefits granted by the government
Good for the government.

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#647 Mar 30, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
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Same sex marriage is wrong because common law marriage defines marriage as male/female.
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Legal definition of Common Law Marriage

A union of two people not formalized in the customary manner as prescribed by law but created by an agreement to marry followed by Cohabitation.

Try again.

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#648 Mar 30, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>No, Wat the Tyler wrote "same-sex couples can't raise children properly"; those aren't my words, they are W.t.T.'s words.
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<quoted text>DOMA limits marriage to one man and one woman, it was passed by Congress and signed into law by the President......
Yes, it does, and it was.

And it is also unconstitutional, as it serves no rational state purpose and discriminates against a class of Americans based on animus.

It, FOR THE FIRST TIME, redefined marriage as recognized by the federal government, stripping away a basic state right to define marriage.

Not a good thing.

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#649 Mar 30, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
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They keep on about 'discrimination' because the actual arguments about changing marriage law and the implications for government's treatment of families is to miserable to contemplate..
No, the discrimination against gay couples makes the government's treatment of families too miserable to contemplate.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#650 Mar 30, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
No, I've never claimed "same-sex couples can't raise children properly", those are Wat the Tyler's words, not mine. Many homosexuals make wonderful parents, I've cited Meredith Baxter and Oscar Wilde as two examples.
Chilcren are damaged psychological amd morally due to the lack of opposite sex family life. This is a distortion that head shrinkers are not able to measure at this point. Fot example moral distortion cannot be measured. But common senswe tells us that it a moral distortion agaionst the children. It is therefore a form or moral abuse of the children.
Brian_G wrote:
I just stated the fact, every child raised by a same sex couple is raised without either a mother or a father. Since when did observing reality become homophobia?
It is anti-democratic propaganda. It is mind control.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#651 Mar 30, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Do you believe that kids with gay parents do better and are more secure when their parents cannot legally marry? That seems to against ALL research into the topic.
I believe the law needs to be updated to protect children from homosexual couples.

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#652 Mar 30, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
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Chilcren are damaged psychological amd morally due to the lack of opposite sex family life.......
Your opinion doesn't change the facts. How many gay couples and their kids do you personally know?

5
10
50?

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#653 Mar 30, 2013
Quest wrote:
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So, lets see.
You acknowledge that gay folks marrying will have NO effect on anyone else's marriage, and you acknowledge that gay people can raise wonderful kids.
I do not agree to that. In order to get same sex marriage, they have already found it necessary to infringe on others' rights. Their rights must must end where my rights begin. Yet there have been attcacks on Africa, lynchings of Africans, racial insults, racial slurs, etc.

Right here in this forum, they attacked me simply for saying that we will march for marriage. Marriage is not necessarily anti-homosexual. But they are making support for family anti-homosexual. It is because they altready know that in order to get same sex marriage, they must first destroy tratdional families. Thus, we have over 70% of Africans born outsside traidional family protection. But if we encourage people to get married, they attack us. Nuff said. It is clear that "gay rights" are incompatible with the rights of everybody else.
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>So, what else is there?
Why you admit that most of the arguments used against gay folks legally marrying are just so much hooey, what's left?
"I just don't like it" isn't really an argument to deny other citizens of basic civil rights. You need something compelling and concrete.
It is just wrong. Nuff said. When GOD told Adam and Eve not to eat of the forbidden fruit, it was not necessary to do great scientific studies to prove that GOD was right. We know GOD Loves us. So, by logic, if GOD tells us to do certain things or not do not certain things, we obey because we have faith in GOD's Love. GOD will never tell us wrong. That would be counter intuitive. GOD Created mankind a certain way. And nobody knows what is best for mankind better than GOD knows.

Yet knowing within reason that disobedeiance is wrong, evil wants us to dispbey anyhow. We have to have enouigh sense to reject evil. That means rejecting same sex marrage.

Since: Mar 07

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#654 Mar 30, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
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I believe the law needs to be updated to protect children from homosexual couples.
Why?

What do you base this on?

We are raising something like 1.5 million kids as I type. How many of them have you met, spoken with, or studied? How many gay parents have you discussed this with? How many of their kids have you interviewed?

Or is this just something you believe with no basis in fact?

Let's start with something simple. I have two children. And, I have good friends who have 3 children. If your premise is true, there should be something concrete underneath it, so how are our kids automatically "damaged" only by the gender of our spouses?

No friends?
Bad grades?
Can't correctly interact with one gender or another?

List all of the ways that our children MUST be different from other kids, based ONLY on the fact that we can only be attracted to the same gender?

List all of the ways our households are different, other than the gender of the parents?

Since: Mar 07

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#655 Mar 30, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
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I do not agree to that. In order to get same sex marriage, they have already found it necessary to infringe on others' rights. Their rights must must end where my rights begin. Yet there have been attcacks on Africa, lynchings of Africans, racial insults, racial slurs, etc.
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In what way have your rights been infringed on, buy the legal same sex marriages in our country, and how will universal legal rights infringe on your rights.

Now, if you argue that my right to marry infringes on your right to not want me to marry, I'm going to laugh.

Since: Mar 07

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#656 Mar 30, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
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It is just wrong. Nuff said. When GOD told Adam and Eve not to eat of the forbidden fruit, it was not necessary to do great scientific studies to prove that GOD was right......
Of course it's not "nuff said", since your personal belief in your version of God has no bearing on another person's religious belief, or lack of it.

God MAKES people who are gay, and instills in them the same needs for love, companionship, and family that everyone else has. Fact.

You believe that this is some cosmic practical joke.

I don't.

As long as you keep your personal religious beliefs personal, and do not try to encode them into civil law, then you are fine, if delusional. Once you step out of your own church and try to demand that other people adhere to your religious beliefs, to the detriment of their own families, then you are in for a fight.

Folks fought the bans on interracial marriage, even though there were people saying it was against God's will. This is no different.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#657 Mar 30, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Your opinion doesn't change the facts. How many gay couples and their kids do you personally know?
5
10
50?
I rely on common sense. GOD had given each of us the ability to know right from wrong. We do not need great scietific studies to know right from worng. And when we voice common sense that some things are wrong and other things are right, taht is not mere personal opinion. We have tens of thousands of years of historic experience to know that homosexual behavior is wrong or likely to be wrong. And we can safely assume that it is wrong to place children under the custody of active homosexuals. Why risk the well-being and future of children in a social experiement that nobody knows the results of? That makes no sense. Trust what we know has worked over tens of thousands of years.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#658 Mar 30, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
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I will call people whatever I think they are. And I think you are perverts. You are attempting mind control and brain-washing. I will not accept that.
Love hearing from the religion of peace.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#659 Mar 30, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
<quoted text>
I rely on common sense. GOD had given each of us the ability to know right from wrong. We do not need great scietific studies to know right from worng. And when we voice common sense that some things are wrong and other things are right, taht is not mere personal opinion. We have tens of thousands of years of historic experience to know that homosexual behavior is wrong or likely to be wrong. And we can safely assume that it is wrong to place children under the custody of active homosexuals. Why risk the well-being and future of children in a social experiement that nobody knows the results of? That makes no sense. Trust what we know has worked over tens of thousands of years.
Some religions think it sinful to have blood transfusions or operations. Some think handling snakes is God's will. No one is born a religion, they LEARN it and learn whatever rules and regs they are taught.

In other days they all BELIEVED that it was God's will for white people to own less than white humans. If you had been around then, I guess you would be fine with slavery also.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#660 Mar 30, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
Why?
What do you base this on?
I said "I believe..." When in doubt, protect the children first and you cannot go wrong. It is a primary duty of all civilized society to protect children. When we fail to do this, civilization ceases to exist.
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>We are raising something like 1.5 million kids as I type. How many of them have you met, spoken with, or studied? How many gay parents have you discussed this with? How many of their kids have you interviewed?
Or is this just something you believe with no basis in fact?
I saaid "I bleive.... this is not rocket science. I already said it. But it is not mere opinion. I base this belief on tens of thousands of proven historic experience.
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>Let's start with something simple. I have two children.
Duh?

Quest wrote:
<quoted text>And, I have good friends who have 3 children.
Duh?

Quest wrote:
<quoted text>If your premise is true, there should be something concrete underneath it, so how are our kids automatically "damaged" only by the gender of our spouses?
They are damaged maorally,spiritually which cannot always be quantitated. This is a qulaitatitve matter, not necessarily a quantittaive one. We cannot always measure qualitive. Bt it the case of children, there is too much risk to experiement on what we do not know. Human life is at stake. The lives of children are at stake. When scum like you are dead and roasting and otasting in hellfire, the lives of those kids will still be Affected. Youhave no right to impose that on other human lives.
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>No friends?
Bad grades?
Can't correctly interact with one gender or another?
List all of the ways that our children MUST be different from other kids, based ONLY on the fact that we can only be attracted to the same gender?
They will be"diffe4rent morally. They may be different spiritually. I do not know.

We live i ns a material world and immaterial world. The immaterial world consists of spirits and spirit like beings. We cannot see them. We cannot trouch them. But all Muslims must be Belive in the unseen. It is this immaterial world that is dialectyically opposed to the material world. We can determine if a child has few friends or not as a result of smae sex parents. We cannot determivne if that child will brun in hellfire or not as a result of having had saame sex parents. The bottomline is we do not know. But why risk human life in such a social experiement? Why impose that on other humanbeings? That in and of itslef is morally wrong even if it results in no material damaage to the child. It is moral damage. It is spiritual damage. It is immaterial damage. Why? Because the child was not given the opportunity to choose.

Children are noty plants like Mosnanto's GMO's. Besides, I am also opposed to GMO's. If it ain't broke, do not fix it.
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>List all of the ways our
We are different in terms of marality and spirt=ualtiy. We have immaterial differences in addition to material differences. We cannot always measure immaterial differences. But they do exist as far as we can determine.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#661 Mar 30, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Love hearing from the religion of peace.
You welcome.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#662 Mar 30, 2013
Quest wrote:
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In what way have your rights been infringed on, buy the legal same sex marriages in our country, and how will universal legal rights infringe on your rights.
70% 0f our children born outsiede tw0-parent families. Obama and KKKlinton are two homosexuals who attacked Africa. Thousrandcs of balck people were lynched. This is violating our rights to be safe and to live our own lives. How many "gay" peopkle spoke ou\t against the attackes on Libya? Not many:

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Quest wrote:
<quoted text>Now, if you argue that my right to marry infringes on your right to not want me to marry, I'm going to laugh.
Qaddafi is dead. Thousands of others are dead. This is not a laughing matter.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#663 Mar 30, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course it's not "nuff said", since your personal belief in your version of God has no bearing on another person's religious belief, or lack of it.
God MAKES people who are gay, and instills in them the same needs for love, companionship, and family that everyone else has. Fact.
I am not debatingt hat and do not intend to debate it. I am simply pointing out that we do not know what tomorrow will bring. We cannot measure it or quantify it in any way. We can only hope and have faith. But GOD may decide to end the world just as GOD decided to start the world. We simply do not know. And while we can gamble in the lottery. on the stock market, etc. we have no moral right to risk human life in experiemnets such as children in same sex households. Find happiness in other ways. You have no right to seek happiness by risking the lives and the futures of childfren.
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>You believe that this is some cosmic practical joke.
I don't.
We do not know what the future will bring. I am not a gambler. Chilcren are not guinea pigs.
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>As long as you keep your personal religious beliefs personal, and do not try to encode them into civil law, then you are fine, if delusional. Once you step out of your own church and try to demand that other people adhere to your religious beliefs, to the detriment of their own families, then you are in for a fight.
I am here for a fight. I am fighting for gthe lives of innocnet children and for the future of tyraditinal family life. Find your "happiness" somewhere else.
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>Folks fought the bans on interracial marriage, even though there were people saying it was against God's will. This is no different.
That is a lie. I persoanlly led the fight against interra\cial marriage in my own state. It was never azbout whaat GOD said. It was about Jim Crow. Right now, it is "gay rights" that is the new Jim Crow. You are impsoing on the African community the same way that Jim Crow imposed on the African communtiy. I am saying to you that we do not want same sex marriage. And we will not allow you to impose it on us.

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