Van Cliburn Has Passed Away

Feb 27, 2013 | Posted by: Sei | Full story: lezgetreal.com

Celebrity pianist Van Cliburn passed away at the age of 78. Been openly gay since the 1990's after a lawsuit forced him out of the closet.
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Sorry, but you have no grasp of the inner core that produces art.
Ever see "Immortal Beloved" ?
I'm recalling the scene where Beethoven asks his personal assistant what he hears in the piece being played, then goes on to describe the romantic situations that produced it. He describes a man in a carriage on the way to meet his beloved who will only wait just so long, when the wheel of the carriage becomes mired in the mud and comes off. Struggling with the driver and other male passengers to remount the wheel, seeing that he probably will not make it to his rendezvous on time, "This is the sound of his agitation."
Music, especially that of the late classical period is ALL about emotion and passion.
Tchaikovsky was a tortured, self-hating gay person, and this positively bleed through his music.
Copeland, Bernstein, Harrison, Cage, Hovhaness, Cowell etc. would snort at you in disgust.
Artistic creativity cannot be divorced from what a person IS ... and THAT most definitely includes sexuality.
I really wish I could invite you over for some art appreciation lessons.
How can this have nothing to do with one's sexuality?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =HvyCMgAajqkXX
Maybe you misunderstand me -- I just meant that both homosexuals and heterosexuals are capable of being artistically gifted. Junior said that Van Cliburn excelled in spite of his homosexuality, as if it were a burden to overcome.

Believe me, I can equate music and sexuality; to me, the end of the first movement of Beethoven's Seventh Symphony is pure orgasm.

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snyper wrote:
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Sorry, but you have no grasp of the inner core that produces art.
Ever see "Immortal Beloved" ?
I'm recalling the scene where Beethoven asks his personal assistant what he hears in the piece being played, then goes on to describe the romantic situations that produced it. He describes a man in a carriage on the way to meet his beloved who will only wait just so long, when the wheel of the carriage becomes mired in the mud and comes off. Struggling with the driver and other male passengers to remount the wheel, seeing that he probably will not make it to his rendezvous on time, "This is the sound of his agitation."
Music, especially that of the late classical period is ALL about emotion and passion.
Tchaikovsky was a tortured, self-hating gay person, and this positively bleed through his music.
Copeland, Bernstein, Harrison, Cage, Hovhaness, Cowell etc. would snort at you in disgust.
Artistic creativity cannot be divorced from what a person IS ... and THAT most definitely includes sexuality.
I really wish I could invite you over for some art appreciation lessons.
How can this have nothing to do with one's sexuality?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =HvyCMgAajqkXX
Absolutely one of the most insightful, brilliant posts I have seen to date.

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Maybe you misunderstand me -- I just meant that both homosexuals and heterosexuals are capable of being artistically gifted. Junior said that Van Cliburn excelled in spite of his homosexuality, as if it were a burden to overcome.
Believe me, I can equate music and sexuality; to me, the end of the first movement of Beethoven's Seventh Symphony is pure orgasm.
I like the pastorale section of his 6th.

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I like the pastorale section of his 6th.
Lovely, lovely! Have you ever heard Saint Saens' Organ Symphony? Sublime.

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Lovely, lovely! Have you ever heard Saint Saens' Organ Symphony? Sublime.
No. 3 in C minor?

I've played it.

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No. 3 in C minor?
I've played it.
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Tchaikovsky was a tortured, self-hating gay person, and this positively bleed through his music.
Copeland, Bernstein, Harrison, Cage, Hovhaness, Cowell etc. would snort at you in disgust.
I have a bio of Tschaikovsky at home (sorry, can't remember the author) which claims he was not as self-hating about being gay as most people think. The author of this bio asserts that Tschaikovsky's continued reference to being tortured by "X" in his diaries refers not to homosexuality but to gambling addiction. Can't say it's right or wrong but it does shed a different light on his life.

On a another related topic I find it interesting that almost ALL major figures in American classical musical composition in the 20th century were gay men (Ives and Hanson, both known homophobes, being notable exceptions). I doubt that trend will continue in this century however.

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Believe me, I can equate music and sexuality; to me, the end of the first movement of Beethoven's Seventh Symphony is pure orgasm.
From quite a different time and country, I find Monteverdi's music incredibly erotic, including even the religious works.

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I have a bio of Tschaikovsky at home (sorry, can't remember the author) which claims he was not as self-hating about being gay as most people think. The author of this bio asserts that Tschaikovsky's continued reference to being tortured by "X" in his diaries refers not to homosexuality but to gambling addiction. Can't say it's right or wrong but it does shed a different light on his life.
On a another related topic I find it interesting that almost ALL major figures in American classical musical composition in the 20th century were gay men (Ives and Hanson, both known homophobes, being notable exceptions). I doubt that trend will continue in this century however.
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