Judges in Utah gay marriage case ques...

Judges in Utah gay marriage case question lawyers

There are 41 comments on the Sunherald.com story from Apr 11, 2014, titled Judges in Utah gay marriage case question lawyers. In it, Sunherald.com reports that:

The three judges of the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals were divided over how much the landscape has changed since the U.S. Supreme Court last year struck down the Defense of Marriage Act.

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juls

Bellefontaine, OH

#1 Apr 11, 2014
Yes it is painful to be less than a full citizen of America despite what a state may want to dictate; especially when the dictates are in the realm of religious centrism.

Tax church profits now/

Let my people be free.

prepare for the elections-vote- the republicans have and are going to spend $$$$$$$$$$

Since: Mar 09

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#2 Apr 11, 2014
If, as our opponents assert, marriage is all that "fundamental", then it's nature derives from the freedom of the individual, not the collective.

It is the individual who enters into the contract with another individual, as co-equal co-sovereign Citizens, absolute in their Freedom of Association, and Freedom of Private Contract.

To deny recognition of these is to deny the fundamental Freedom of the Individual upon which this Nation is predicated. The State must demonstrate overwhelming and compelling reasons to do so.

The Appeal to Tradition Fallacy does not meet this requirement.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#3 Apr 11, 2014
snyper wrote:
If, as our opponents assert, marriage is all that "fundamental", then it's nature derives from the freedom of the individual, not the collective.
It is the individual who enters into the contract with another individual, as co-equal co-sovereign Citizens, absolute in their Freedom of Association, and Freedom of Private Contract.
To deny recognition of these is to deny the fundamental Freedom of the Individual upon which this Nation is predicated. The State must demonstrate overwhelming and compelling reasons to do so.
The Appeal to Tradition Fallacy does not meet this requirement.
You should listen to the oral arguments:-)
https://www.ca10.uscourts.gov/
scotus

Villanova, PA

#4 Apr 11, 2014
juls wrote:
Yes it is painful to be less than a full citizen of America despite what a state may want to dictate; especially when the dictates are in the realm of religious centrism.
Tax church profits now/
Let my people be free.
prepare for the elections-vote- the republicans have and are going to spend $$$$$$$$$$
Juls please give money to the Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas and yes when we get control of both houses look out, we will be coming after Queers like you.and that's a fact!We will get rid of all the liberal Queer judges and deport all of you Fascist Queers,can't do it?,hell look at the way Obama has trampled all over our Constitution,we can do the same thing and will...

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#5 Apr 11, 2014
scotus wrote:
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Juls please give money to the Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas and yes when we get control of both houses look out, we will be coming after Queers like you.and that's a fact!We will get rid of all the liberal Queer judges and deport all of you Fascist Queers,can't do it?,hell look at the way Obama has trampled all over our Constitution,we can do the same thing and will...
You're delusional!!!
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#6 Apr 11, 2014
Utah's argument is a bunch of BS
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The states turned control of GAY marriage over to the Federal Government when the states passed the FEDERAL DEFENSE of MARRIAGE ACT; part of which is still in effect as we speak
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Mormons are morons
The Gay Centurions

Alpharetta, GA

#7 Apr 11, 2014
scotus wrote:
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Juls please give money to the Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas and yes when we get control of both houses look out, we will be coming after Queers like you.and that's a fact!We will get rid of all the liberal Queer judges and deport all of you Fascist Queers,can't do it?,hell look at the way Obama has trampled all over our Constitution,we can do the same thing and will...
Sorry sugar
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GAYs fight the enemy OUR WAY
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Nobody else has a horse in our race
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We're in it to win it

“Equality marches on! ”

Since: Apr 08

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#8 Apr 11, 2014
scotus wrote:
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Juls please give money to the Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas and yes when we get control of both houses look out, we will be coming after Queers like you.and that's a fact!We will get rid of all the liberal Queer judges and deport all of you Fascist Queers,can't do it?,hell look at the way Obama has trampled all over our Constitution,we can do the same thing and will...
Please submit your post to "The Onion". It is beyond hilarious, and has just enough heart felt sincerity to be taken seriously by other whack-a-doodles!!

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#9 Apr 11, 2014
snyper wrote:
If, as our opponents assert, marriage is all that "fundamental", then it's nature derives from the freedom of the individual, not the collective.
It is the individual who enters into the contract with another individual, as co-equal co-sovereign Citizens, absolute in their Freedom of Association, and Freedom of Private Contract.
To deny recognition of these is to deny the fundamental Freedom of the Individual upon which this Nation is predicated. The State must demonstrate overwhelming and compelling reasons to do so.
The Appeal to Tradition Fallacy does not meet this requirement.
Good post. You state Libertarian philosophical principles. Slipping there ???(Not worshiping Uncle Joe anymore ???)

Since: Mar 09

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#10 Apr 11, 2014
NorCal Native wrote:
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You should listen to the oral arguments:-)
https://www.ca10.uscourts.gov/
Thanks for the link. I shall.

Since: Mar 09

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#11 Apr 11, 2014
scotus wrote:
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Juls please give money to the Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas and yes when we get control of both houses look out, we will be coming after Queers like you.and that's a fact!We will get rid of all the liberal Queer judges and deport all of you Fascist Queers,can't do it?,hell look at the way Obama has trampled all over our Constitution,we can do the same thing and will...
All I see are a bunch of blanket condemnations and expression of dislike.

Care to share any SPECIFIC facts (with links to reliable sources) to back them up?

Since: Mar 09

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#12 Apr 11, 2014
Rainbow Kid wrote:
Utah's argument is a bunch of BS
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The states turned control of GAY marriage over to the Federal Government when the states passed the FEDERAL DEFENSE of MARRIAGE ACT; part of which is still in effect as we speak
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Mormons are morons
Not quite. The problem with DOMA was that it was Congressional overreaching.

Now, if you say that heteros and their electees inappropriately arrogated to Congress the authority to define Marriage, then you'd be correct. The same could be said about every Federal Law, Statute or Policy that defines "marriage" in any unified way without respect to State definitions; i.e. Tax Code, Health and Welfare Code, UCMJ, etc. If it's truly a States'-only issue, then none of these codifications are appropriate. Such matters would fluctuate depending upon the State of the Citizen to be addressed. Hardly a "more perfect Union".

The heteros really can't have it both ways. This is why they will be pushing for an exclusionary Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
Dan

United States

#13 Apr 11, 2014
Rainbow Kid wrote:
Utah's argument is a bunch of BS
.
The states turned control of GAY marriage over to the Federal Government when the states passed the FEDERAL DEFENSE of MARRIAGE ACT; part of which is still in effect as we speak
.
Mormons are morons
Well-funded morons, thanks to campaign donations from,people like OK Cupid CEO Sam Yagan. You remember him, right? The "pro-LGBT hero" who got Brandon Eich fired?

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#14 Apr 11, 2014
snyper wrote:
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Thanks for the link. I shall.
It's not that long, but well worth the listen........my guess is it looks like it could be a 2-1 ruling regarding Kitchen vs Utah......and a possible similar ruling, from the Bishop vs Oklahoma case next week....but that's just my take from the oral arguments....both sides were hammered pretty hard.......the attorney for Utah was hammered by both Holmes and the Democrat Justice Carlos L and the plaintiff's attorney was hammered by Kelly......we will know in a few months!!!
Larry

Richardson, TX

#15 Apr 11, 2014
scotus wrote:
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Juls please give money to the Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas and yes when we get control of both houses look out, we will be coming after Queers like you.and that's a fact!We will get rid of all the liberal Queer judges and deport all of you Fascist Queers,can't do it?,hell look at the way Obama has trampled all over our Constitution,we can do the same thing and will...
WOWW... Give me some of what your smoking. Your dreams are big. To bad nothing else on your body or coming from your mouth is. ps. save your hot air for the winter time. You may need. it.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#16 Apr 11, 2014
snyper wrote:
This is why they will be pushing for an exclusionary Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
Which I don't believe will happen, but I put NOTHING past the anti-gay folks.....and you're right....they CAN'T have it both ways, but they are certainly trying!!!

Since: Mar 09

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#17 Apr 11, 2014
Dan wrote:
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Well-funded morons, thanks to campaign donations from,people like OK Cupid CEO Sam Yagan. You remember him, right? The "pro-LGBT hero" who got Brandon Eich fired?
That isn't how it happened, nor why.

Get some current and accurate information.

Since: Mar 09

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#18 Apr 11, 2014
NorCal Native wrote:
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Which I don't believe will happen, but I put NOTHING past the anti-gay folks.....and you're right....they CAN'T have it both ways, but they are certainly trying!!!
2014-16 is for all the marbles.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#19 Apr 11, 2014
snyper wrote:
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2014-16 is for all the marbles.
Well, that may be true....but it DOESN'T mean we lose and they win.......and if that's what you believe, then well just have to agree to disagree!
Dan

United States

#20 Apr 11, 2014
snyper wrote:
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That isn't how it happened, nor why.
Get some current and accurate information.
Yagan called Eich out, Eich forced to resign, Yagan found to have contributed to anti-LGBT Utah Congressman's re-election campaign, Yagan issues rationalization of his behavior and keeps his job.

Now, laws that the Congressman supported, who Yagan worked to re-elect, are proving problematic for LGBT folks in Utah.

Those are the facts.

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