20 detained at Moscow rally against anti-gay bill

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A gay rights activist holds a banner during a protest near the State Duma, Russia's lower parliament chamber, in Moscow, Russia, Friday, Jan.

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#100 Jan 27, 2013
Alexey25 wrote:
Actualy real gays are no more than 2 or 3 %.
All the rest are psuedo gays.
They had become gays they were not born gays.
This is certainly an issue.
It's really 4-6% if you include both men and women.

You can't become gay.

Bisexual is another matter, and has not been studied as much.

We have a term that is used here. It's is "reactive gay". It's not a very good term, but then neither is "homosexual".

A "reactive gay" person, usually a latent bisexual and female, who elects to be lesbian as the result of some form of trauma, often molestation, incest, rape, or prolonged spousal abuse. Theoretically, if the trauma is healed, the person regains the fluidity that is their particular nature. But the question remains, "Why should they have to?"

During my professional years here in the US, I encountered a significant number of reactively gay women, and only a few men.

Now there is another class that we do not have a good descriptive term for: young boys/men who have been the victim of predators, and who are very confused about their true natures.

As discussed elsewhere about the weaker people in prisons, they have not been the victims of gay people. As in prison, they have been victims of hedonist predator sociopaths, most of whom are of hetero orientation. These victims can helped through their confusion. They may have been confused from an early age, but they are not gay or bi.

Starting in the 1950s, the State of California (and others) funded extensive research into "curing" gay orientation. A lot was learned, including that gay orientation is not a mental illness, and that it cannot be changed. Gay people may HAVE mental illnesses, but their orientation does not operate as one of those. A lot was learned, including that there were a number of psychiatrists that were sociopaths like Josef Mengele.

http://thetruthpursuit.com/society/society-bl...

These researchers would have guaranteed for themselves a great amount of further research money for the rest of their lives IF they had ignored what the research was showing.

Science is not democratic.

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#101 Jan 27, 2013
Alexey25 wrote:
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80 % of arested pedophils in Russia were homosexual.
Perhaps that was because they were the only ones you were looking for.

You've trained your sisters to not complain or rock the boat.

Pedophilia is a form of sociopathic predation, not orientation. There are gay people who are predatory, just as there are hetero people who are predatory. Not all predators who focus on their own sex are actually gay persons. Something else is in operation in them.

The problem is partially in the terminology we use. It limits us to looking at something in only one way. This can blind us to what is really going on. Words are just provisional descriptors that must change as the scope of understanding expands.

It's better to examine the question "What is predatory behavior" and "How does predatory psychology differ from non-predatory mentation". Far more productive, but it may be uncomfortable for people. It calls into question ALL the ways we choose to view other people as objects so we can do to them as we desire.

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#102 Jan 27, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Not true. No one "becomes gay". You either are, or you are not. There is no such thing as "psuedo gay".
Yes, there are bi-sexual people that have the ability to be attracted to either gender, but even they cannot change how they were born.
And why is ANYONE either being gay or even saying they are gay an issue? Do they harm you? Does their attraction to the same gender threaten anyone else?
Yes it does. Healthy society must consist of traditional families.
The society which accepts gay couples is the decaying society.
It will go extinct and will be replaced by traditional societies.
This is exactly what we see in western Europe.
Those muslims in Europe will never be assimilated because they are not going to embrace these peverted values.
There will be no gay issue when they will take over.

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#104 Jan 27, 2013
Are numerous getero sexual relations can be considered as sexual predation either?

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#105 Jan 27, 2013
This is bad from the point of view:
a) Religion
b) Medicine
c) Science
e) Social

What you still need more arguments?

p.s.
e) From the point of view of women! Leave women without pleasure -is a crime!=))

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#107 Jan 27, 2013
snyper wrote:
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Perhaps with viagra. You are referring to bisexual people.
btw, it's gay PERSONS, as free and entitled to live and love according to their own lights as you are.
You ARE, aren't you?
Yes of course. Are entitled. Outside of society. Because society rejects them as a foreign element. Held a public referendum in any country of the world and society will reject all the dirt. I am sure that pederasty too. Democracy and freedom, it is the will of the people, the will of the majority. That's why you(west states) are not allowed such referendums. Unfortunately all you, just want to destroy. It is sad to realize. But even sadder to realize that many people go to his destruction of fun under the false slogan of "freedom." =((

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#109 Jan 27, 2013
Sam wrote:
<quoted text>The last time I checked there were roughly 20 times more hetero pedophiles than gay, so why are you talking about pederasty in an anti-gay context?
Pederasty/Sodomy this is gay. Pederasty is a medical term used to describe mental disorder. What is the danger of the gay movement? It is very simple. It can not exist without a healthy society for more than a generation. Why gays are forced to replenish their population involving children and minors. It is evident that an adult, has a wife, a lover, a son, and automatic rifle Kalashnikov rifle in a safe in a gay transform very hard. Elementary transformed gay teenager. Enough to lie teenager that a homosexual relationship is trendy, liberty, modern, and generally cool. This is called propaganda of homosexuality, and has a potential danger to society. Later this teenager loses perspective to have a normal family. Children and family is the foundation of any society. Even capitalist society.=)

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#110 Jan 27, 2013
Quest wrote:
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You are missing the point. Being gay cannot "spread", as it it not an illness. It is simple a natural and harmless trait that affects a small percentage of the population.
Why would you feel it necessary to treat everyone with this trait as something that can harm you, or others? Nothing can turn YOU gay, right? It's the same for everyone else.
Read my post up.

sorry for my bad English

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#111 Jan 27, 2013
Israel Land of Vampires wrote:
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How do you figure?
The last I checked about 1/3 kids molested were boys.... Over 90% of molestation is done by men.
So... Now there is obviously high rate of men molesting boys..... Much higher thanthe Homosexual / Bisexual percentage proportion of the population.
An excellent point.

It's good to encounter someone who can see the flaw.

Refreshing, actually.

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#112 Jan 27, 2013
Leonid-Rostow wrote:
<quoted text>Yes of course. Are entitled. Outside of society. Because society rejects them as a foreign element. Held a public referendum in any country of the world and society will reject all the dirt. I am sure that pederasty too. Democracy and freedom, it is the will of the people, the will of the majority. That's why you(west states) are not allowed such referendums. Unfortunately all you, just want to destroy. It is sad to realize. But even sadder to realize that many people go to his destruction of fun under the false slogan of "freedom." =((
The rest aside, what "destruction" are you suggesting?

You are sounding more like a fascist all the time.

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#114 Jan 27, 2013
Alexey25 wrote:
Children must see right behavioral patterns.
The right one is when a child sees the father and the mother. Sometimes he sees only the mother or the father, sad but true. But this is fully unacceptable if a child sees 2 fathers or 2 mothers.
Wether you like it or not homosexuality will nver accepted as something normal untill the majority is straight.
It looks like xenophobia is one of the basic human instincts and untill we are straight you will always be wierdos for us.
So the ideal society for gays would be the one where the majority would experimented with homosexual relations. In this case xenophobia would not be against you but against the purely straight minority.
Jokes apart, this is your ultimate goal.
You want to make it a trend for the youth like SLD was a trend in 60s in USA.
This is what this law is against.
I am surprised at how wrong you are, and in so many ways.

Children are not raised inside isolated bubbles, are they? Gay people had hetero parents. Many had remarkable parents by any standard.(I did) There have been many single parent households, and many households where children were raised only by women or by men. This has not been determinative of anything.

I know that the winters are long and hard, and the snow very deep, but we get those conditions in our Northern States, too. We joke about Montana, "9 months of Winter and 3 months of companionship". lol Even there our children are not isolated. This isn't the 19th century. Television, cinema, radio, books and other print media ALL push the hetero message and provide many fine role models (and some bad ones). Our children are doing well. Don't let the news or entertainment media fool you. We'd like to see our children performing better in schools.

We have noticed and interesting phenomenon. Just noted. Children with problems seem to come from broken families, but also from intact families with problems. Even two-parent hetero families.

You can teach a child to be tolerant. You can't teach a child to be gay. You can teach them that they may experiment when they are no longer minors, or date the same sex as teens, but there is no way to teach or MAKE their orientation one way or another. It just isn't possible. You can teach a child to hate themselves and others. Not a good idea. The results do not make them happy, nor anyone else.

We are not manufacturing this as we go along.

btw: Where are most of the Circassians these days?

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#115 Jan 27, 2013
Israel Land of Vampires wrote:
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I think Homosexuals "confusion" can potentially fuel molestation.
.. Unfortunately... Many Homosexuals wish to have children....
Many Homosexuals seem to like more "feminine men" of course "boys are more feminine"
Ultimately it seems such a thing fuels higher Molestation of Homosexual tendencies.
"Homosexuals confusion" ??

Could you clarify what you mean by this?

(This is important: The flaw of freudianism and freudian psychiatry is that it is dogmatic, without science to support it's assertions. Freudians do not diagnose based upon science. They write reasonable-sounding stories and present them as "explanations". Subsequent science usually shows their "analyses" to be specious. This accounts for the firm move away from all forms of dogmatic psychiatry, psychology and sociology in favor of more research-based, systems phenomenology. More is learned by examining what is, instead of pontificating about what should be. The former is science. The latter is imagination.)

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#116 Jan 27, 2013
Alexey25 wrote:
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Gays are Sodomits acordingly bible.
Homosexuality is a sin in christianity.
Actually, no. That is not correct.

Let's ask the people whose ancestors wrote the stories about "Sodom" ...

http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13827-...

http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10122-...

Saul thought that the cause of what he was talking about (there is learned dispute about what that was) was some form of idolatry. Were this the case, there would certainly be far more of it than there is. It seems that he was discussing hedonistic behaviors in general.

The problem is that subsequent psychology has shown that the core of these behaviors has nothing to do with what he suggests is the cause.

Saul presents other problems as a source, but this digresses from our core, secular, topic.

If one wishes to debate religion, then there is much that can be said about that on the Religion Forum.

For example, why should we give weight to the opinion of someone who claimed to have the prophetic charism, but evidence shows that he did not? NONE of his predictions ever came true. Should he not have been stoned to death according to the rules in the same book that condemns "men who lie with men"? That would have been difficult. He was conveniently dead before anyone noticed that his predictions did not happen. He taught people to not marry because "christ" was due to return in their lifetimes. This did not happen, and there is no record of Saul ever retracting the prediction. By the rules, he was a false prophet. This caused a lot of his gentile followers to hurry to make complex explanations.

There are many problems with Saul. He contradicted the gospels, and the senior Apostles and the Jerusalem community.

In Matthew, Yeshua is recorded as telling us what his standard for judgement will be: feed the hungry, clothe the naked, tend the sick, visit the imprisoned ... and NOT because it is a rule, but because it comes from the openness of our heart without any expected reward. He sayts that to do so to others is to do so to him. In the record, these open-hearted people asked Yeshua when they did these things to him. They did not know. They expected nothing for their kindness. What does this have to do with what Saul was saying?

Many, many problems with Saul. Too many to go into here.

In Mark and Matthew, Yeshua is recorded saying that the records of Moses and his laws is corrupt, inaccurate, and that Moses legislated on his own. Do you remember where that is?

Not everything in the records is divine speech (prophetic). Some is. Some isn't.

Yeshua said that "the Father" is not to be feared, because he is not "Father" (formal), but "Daddy" (intimate). Yeshua taught something very different from Saul and his followers. Very different.

"My yoke is easy, and my burden is light (not heavy)".

It has been a busy day and have to be up in a few hours to sing Vigils. We can pick this up tomorrow, if you wish.

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#117 Jan 27, 2013
Leonid-Rostow wrote:
<quoted text>Pederasty/Sodomy this is gay. Pederasty is a medical term used to describe mental disorder. What is the danger of the gay movement? It is very simple. It can not exist without a healthy society for more than a generation. Why gays are forced to replenish their population involving children and minors. It is evident that an adult, has a wife, a lover, a son, and automatic rifle Kalashnikov rifle in a safe in a gay transform very hard. Elementary transformed gay teenager. Enough to lie teenager that a homosexual relationship is trendy, liberty, modern, and generally cool. This is called propaganda of homosexuality, and has a potential danger to society. Later this teenager loses perspective to have a normal family. Children and family is the foundation of any society. Even capitalist society.=)
It just doesn't work that way. Sorry. You have misinformation. Gay people are not gay because they have been molested or "recruited". We are born, not made.

Good night.

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#118 Jan 28, 2013
snyper wrote:
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The rest aside, what "destruction" are you suggesting?
You are sounding more like a fascist all the time.
Destruction of the structure of society. Society is composed of heterosexual couples who produce offspring. The less hetoroseksual pairs-the less offspring. Elementary arithmetic "my dear Watson." Reducing the population of society-is its destruction from within.

No fascism in my words not. To all nations, I'm indifferent. Pederasts I can not support because I'm not a pederast. It's obvious. Each person support own social group.

p.s. I love women. And my advice to all the men, too.

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#119 Jan 28, 2013
snyper wrote:
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It just doesn't work that way. Sorry. You have misinformation. Gay people are not gay because they have been molested or "recruited". We are born, not made.
Good night.
There are innate mental illness. But if there is no deviation of the newborn at the biochemical level, the newborn child is a "clean sheet". 95% of its future depends on the nature of upbringing and education, 5% of the gene pool of the parents.

As each new person by nature (God) laid the function of reproduction. Otherwise there would be no civilization.

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#120 Jan 28, 2013
Leonid-Rostow wrote:
<quoted text>Elementary transformed gay teenager. Enough to lie teenager that a homosexual relationship is trendy, liberty, modern, and generally cool. This is called propaganda of homosexuality, and has a potential danger to society. Later this teenager loses perspective to have a normal family. Children and family is the foundation of any society. Even capitalist society.=)
Excellent! You're right, that is homosexual propaganda and children are very impressionable. I wonder how many teens 'experiment' with same-sex partners just because it's "cool" and "trendy"? And I wonder how much psychological damage it does?

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#121 Jan 28, 2013
Leonid-Rostow wrote:
<quoted text>Destruction of the structure of society. Society is composed of heterosexual couples who produce offspring. The less hetoroseksual pairs-the less offspring. Elementary arithmetic "my dear Watson." Reducing the population of society-is its destruction from within.
No fascism in my words not. To all nations, I'm indifferent. Pederasts I can not support because I'm not a pederast. It's obvious. Each person support own social group.
p.s. I love women. And my advice to all the men, too.
Since gay orientation cannot be learned, it cannot be spread. All gay people can do is educate the next generation of gay kids, and hetero kids about STDs, etc.

If you think young people will stop having erotic relations, you are humorously incorrect.

What is amazing about this line of thinking is that the largest creators of male child/youth pornography are the countries that were part of the old Soviet block. There are websites and blogs in the US that have such photographs, and our Law enforcement is good at closing those, but it cannot prosecute them because the photos originate in Russia, Ukraine, etc.

You don't have a problem with gay people. You have a problem with PREDATORS.

As we allow gay children to live without persecution, they do not come under the influence of these predators.

We are having trouble getting HIV (etc) information and education to our poorest and most disaffected in our slums. Interestingly, most residents of those areas of our largest cities speak about gay orientation and gay people much as you do. This tends to promote secrecy, denial and resistance to discuss the important issues.

It makes them unteachable, with the result that HIV and deadly STD rates are on the rise among that population.

This is a direct parallel with those areas where religionists only allow "abstinence-only" sex education in schools. In those areas, the rate of STDs, unplanned pregnancies, and requests for abortion services rise alarmingly.

Our gay children are now given healthy life options, rather than rejection and ostracism. Given the positive options, they select those options.

Give them hope.

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#123 Jan 28, 2013
Leonid-Rostow wrote:
<quoted text>There are innate mental illness. But if there is no deviation of the newborn at the biochemical level, the newborn child is a "clean sheet". 95% of its future depends on the nature of upbringing and education, 5% of the gene pool of the parents.
As each new person by nature (God) laid the function of reproduction. Otherwise there would be no civilization.
I understand that perspective but I cannot agree with any part of it.

Science has shown that "Tabula Raza" is false. Children are born with their personalities intact. Skills can be taught, qualities can be encouraged or discouraged, but their personalities are innate.

If genes were not overwhelmingly important then a horse could perform the calculus.

God is not nature. God called. Nature answered by building every possibility, and continues to do so.

"Civilization" is people living together in peace.

4-6% of all births are gay people. This is no threat to human reproduction. At 7+ billions, we are more in danger of depleting all of our natural resources before we learn how to manage our planet.

Time for sext, then dinner, then I have to lead a discussion group on the Cappadocian heresy, then Nones, a class on tree grafting, then Vespers and supper. I'll be back before Compline. Busy day. Tomorrow will be more busy. I have to teach how to modify woodstoves to also produce woodgas, and how to modify a generator to burn that woodgas, or methane. lol.

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#124 Jan 28, 2013
Israel Land of Vampires wrote:
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Yes, STD/HIV risk needs to be taught. Yes, STD/HIV issues are very, very bad in the gay community.
If I was a homosexual, which I am not, I would be most concerned about getting STD/HIV. In fact, this is why I am very sketchy about even having Sex with a black woman. Because they are a little too STD/HIV prone for my comfort. Plus, I don't really like Black women usually they are generally too manly for my liking. Anyways, Even with such protection as, say, a condom... If condom breaks or slips you are f*cked. I mean sure, such risk is in any sex, BUT, With such higher homosexual STD/HIV it is so much riskier than with heterosexuals in case of condom break or slip. Also it seems anal sex also can lead to much more condom breaking & slipping, because ... Well... condoms & the anal area aren't especially designed for sex there, risking much more slipping & breaking than with regular heterosxual sex. But, there is still a lot of escalating STD/HIV issues in gays despite common knowledge of high STD/HIV it seems to have done nothing much to change such issues in the YOUNGER GENERATIONS OF GAYS. Why do so many homosexuals seem to be so risky, almost suicidal, to risk STD/HIV? It seems much more so than heterosexuals?. I mean, homosexuals do have higher suicide rates in general. I mean are a lot of these homosexuals so frustrated with being homosexuals they just kind of get super suicidal with super risky sex not caring if they die of DEADLY HIV?... I mean it seems the Homosexual community has a lot of"Issues" in it's core.I mean it seems a lot of Homosexuls are really frustrated & confused & upset underneath it... I think many wish they could be Heterosexual deep down inside.
You have some misinformation.

The ONLY reason that HIV is fixed in peoples' minds with the gay population is because during the (hetero) Sexual Revolution of the '60s and '70s, people were being infected before anyone knew such a microbe existed. This allowed the virus free access to the human population for up to 15yrs before symptoms began to show. It is only luck that HIV hit the gay community rather than the kids at Woodstock. Still, we were concerned about STDs for YEARS before HIV entered anyone's awareness. I know. I was part of a group that went into the bars and clubs passing out condoms and STD info, and setting up health clinics in the new gayborhoods. At the height of the Sexual Revolution, with antibiotics fixing every infection in a few days, it never occurred to ANYONE, gay or hetero, that erotic play could be harmful. Ignorance.

At the same time, gay people were resisting oppression for the first time. At a time when the Nation was reeling from the corruption and machinations of Government, and the mantra "Never trust anyone over 30", and Watergate and "The Pentagon Papers", Love Canal and the death of Lake Erie, caused pretty much every young person to deeply distrust Government, corporations and even science.

Now let me say this to you as clearly as I can: HIV doesn't care whether you are gay or hetero. Solution: Use condoms. Know your partner. Don't use needles. Learn to be open and honest about all such matters. The alternative is to never have intimate contact with another person.

What you interpret as a "wish they could be Heterosexual deep down inside" is really just a wish to fit in and not be persecuted.

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