Some Kentucky churches pull support f...

Some Kentucky churches pull support from Boy Scouts; no decisions in Lexington

There are 1114 comments on the Lexington Herald-Leader story from Jun 5, 2013, titled Some Kentucky churches pull support from Boy Scouts; no decisions in Lexington. In it, Lexington Herald-Leader reports that:

At least three churches in central Kentucky - including one of the state's biggest churches - have said they are cutting ties with the Boy Scouts of America following the organization's decision last month to allow gay scouts.

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DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#1268 Sep 9, 2013
today wrote:
Referencing the Bible -- Hmmm. Going to church this morning? When one is going to church to worship and be in the presence of God, one can learn a little more above your extremely limited knowledge of the content of the Bible other than to do unto others. You should give it a try this morning.
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So just how many points does God give a person for going to church? And how many points does someone need in your religion to enter heaven?

And here is a question that is tough for you all to answer.

You say Jesus died for the sins of mankind, but then insist we have to do all the same things [preached before He came along. If our sins were paid for by His sacrifice on the Cross why is there any need to repent since those sins were already forgiven over 2000 years ago?

I prefer worshiping God and not some crap preached by people who have perverted Christianity into a religion of finger pointing and condemnation.

Being a Pew Warmer like you is not my idea of worshiping God or practicing my faith and a daily basis. Jesus provided me with a direct connection to God. When I attend services it's because I want to, not because it's expected or makes me look good. I can go every Sunday like you do and spend the rest of the week patting myself on the back about what a devoted person I am, while at the same time treating others as poorly as you do. I prefer exercising my faith in a manner more consistent with the way Jesus described.

After all let's be honest here. You go to Church to boost your ego, so you can feel superior to people who don't attend church regularly and to be fed religious pablum because you';d rather not think for yourself.

Since: Jan 13

Lexington, KY

#1269 Sep 9, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>So just how many points does God give a person for going to church? And how many points does someone need in your religion to enter heaven?
And here is a question that is tough for you all to answer.
You say Jesus died for the sins of mankind, but then insist we have to do all the same things [preached before He came along. If our sins were paid for by His sacrifice on the Cross why is there any need to repent since those sins were already forgiven over 2000 years ago?
I prefer worshiping God and not some crap preached by people who have perverted Christianity into a religion of finger pointing and condemnation.
Being a Pew Warmer like you is not my idea of worshiping God or practicing my faith and a daily basis. Jesus provided me with a direct connection to God. When I attend services it's because I want to, not because it's expected or makes me look good. I can go every Sunday like you do and spend the rest of the week patting myself on the back about what a devoted person I am, while at the same time treating others as poorly as you do. I prefer exercising my faith in a manner more consistent with the way Jesus described.
After all let's be honest here. You go to Church to boost your ego, so you can feel superior to people who don't attend church regularly and to be fed religious pablum because you';d rather not think for yourself.
Once again very well said.
Faithfulment

Elizabethtown, KY

#1270 Sep 9, 2013
Hebrews 10:25. We are told to assemble. How do you decide which scripture not to obey?
today

Brandenburg, KY

#1271 Sep 9, 2013
If you had been at my church or watched Charles Stanley over the weekend, he addressed some of these questions. Yes, God sent his Son to die for our sins - past, present and future. We have to accept Him as Lord of our life. We have free will to make that choice. You are in the midst of refusing to attempt to get the answers from the only source that matters: the Bible. If we are committed to Christ, then we would want to worship Him in a church setting.'Do not forsake the gathering of the saints.' I would suggest the best source for all your answers is to go to a Bible-based church and hear The Word. Should not be tough to answer any question if you are in a church where the Bible is opened and referenced. Until then, I see you bucking against the possibility of learning about Him. I certainly don't know it all, but I know I must be exposed to what the Bible has to say on EVERYTHING. Once you decide to seek that out, I think you will want to learn more and more. THEN you won't be concerned about what you think everyone else who is there is doing. He becomes your PERSONAL SAVIOR. Criticizing from the outside is not going to do a thing for you. I will assure you where I go, it is far from being PABLUM!!
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>So just how many points does God give a person for going to church? And how many points does someone need in your religion to enter heaven?
And here is a question that is tough for you all to answer.
You say Jesus died for the sins of mankind, but then insist we have to do all the same things [preached before He came along. If our sins were paid for by His sacrifice on the Cross why is there any need to repent since those sins were already forgiven over 2000 years ago?
I prefer worshiping God and not some crap preached by people who have perverted Christianity into a religion of finger pointing and condemnation.
Being a Pew Warmer like you is not my idea of worshiping God or practicing my faith and a daily basis. Jesus provided me with a direct connection to God. When I attend services it's because I want to, not because it's expected or makes me look good. I can go every Sunday like you do and spend the rest of the week patting myself on the back about what a devoted person I am, while at the same time treating others as poorly as you do. I prefer exercising my faith in a manner more consistent with the way Jesus described.
After all let's be honest here. You go to Church to boost your ego, so you can feel superior to people who don't attend church regularly and to be fed religious pablum because you';d rather not think for yourself.

Since: Jan 13

Lexington, KY

#1272 Sep 10, 2013
today wrote:
If you had been at my church or watched Charles Stanley over the weekend, he addressed some of these questions. Yes, God sent his Son to die for our sins - past, present and future. We have to accept Him as Lord of our life. We have free will to make that choice. You are in the midst of refusing to attempt to get the answers from the only source that matters: the Bible. If we are committed to Christ, then we would want to worship Him in a church setting.'Do not forsake the gathering of the saints.' I would suggest the best source for all your answers is to go to a Bible-based church and hear The Word. Should not be tough to answer any question if you are in a church where the Bible is opened and referenced. Until then, I see you bucking against the possibility of learning about Him. I certainly don't know it all, but I know I must be exposed to what the Bible has to say on EVERYTHING. Once you decide to seek that out, I think you will want to learn more and more. THEN you won't be concerned about what you think everyone else who is there is doing. He becomes your PERSONAL SAVIOR. Criticizing from the outside is not going to do a thing for you. I will assure you where I go, it is far from being PABLUM!!
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What is the importance of worshipping in a church or reading a man made book when you don't live it. You can talk all this Jesus said this Jesus said that but if you don't put his teachings to action his words are meaningless.
today

Brandenburg, KY

#1273 Sep 10, 2013
joanna50 wrote:
<quoted text>What is the importance of worshipping in a church or reading a man made book when you don't live it. You can talk all this Jesus said this Jesus said that but if you don't put his teachings to action his words are meaningless.
Your lack of belief means what you say has no credibility. Each of us has a personal relationship with Christ. Someone else's relationship doesn't impact our eternal life. I would rather be on the side of making my personal decision with commitment than not. Joy comes into our life and we won't have an attitude of scrutiny.

Since: Jan 13

Lexington, KY

#1274 Sep 10, 2013
today wrote:
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Your lack of belief means what you say has no credibility. Each of us has a personal relationship with Christ. Someone else's relationship doesn't impact our eternal life. I would rather be on the side of making my personal decision with commitment than not. Joy comes into our life and we won't have an attitude of scrutiny.
How do you know what I believe and what I don't? I have just as much credibility with what I say as do you. Someone elses relationship with Christ shouldn't effect others but yet it does hence the topic of the thread. I have made my personal commitment to what I believe in and stand firm in my beliefs and I am happy, joyous, and free and as far as scrunity goes you might want to pass the word to others of your ilk.

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#1275 Sep 10, 2013
today wrote:
Your lack of belief means what you say has no credibility. Each of us has a personal relationship with Christ. Someone else's relationship doesn't impact our eternal life. I would rather be on the side of making my personal decision with commitment than not. Joy comes into our life and we won't have an attitude of scrutiny.
You do realize, of course, that Christianity is only one faith of many, and it has no greater basis than just that, faith.

Some agree with you, others hold differing religious beliefs, while some hold no religious convictions whatsoever. That doesn't make any one vantage point better or worse, it simply makes them different.

The reality is that we do NOT all have a personal relationship with Christ. Some choose to believe they do, and there's nothing wrong with that. Others believe differently, and there's nothing wrong with that either.
Neil An Blowme

Hoboken, NJ

#1276 Sep 10, 2013
today wrote:
If you had been at my church or watched Charles Stanley over the weekend, he addressed some of these questions. Yes, God sent his Son to die for our sins - past, present and future. We have to accept Him as Lord of our life. We have free will to make that choice. You are in the midst of refusing to attempt to get the answers from the only source that matters: the Bible. If we are committed to Christ, then we would want to worship Him in a church setting.'Do not forsake the gathering of the saints.' I would suggest the best source for all your answers is to go to a Bible-based church and hear The Word. Should not be tough to answer any question if you are in a church where the Bible is opened and referenced. Until then, I see you bucking against the possibility of learning about Him. I certainly don't know it all, but I know I must be exposed to what the Bible has to say on EVERYTHING. Once you decide to seek that out, I think you will want to learn more and more. THEN you won't be concerned about what you think everyone else who is there is doing. He becomes your PERSONAL SAVIOR. Criticizing from the outside is not going to do a thing for you. I will assure you where I go, it is far from being PABLUM!!
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Who?
Neil An Blowme

Hoboken, NJ

#1277 Sep 10, 2013
today wrote:
<quoted text>
Your lack of belief means what you say has no credibility.
Oh, horseshit. Making up the rules as you go along?

YOUR belief in fairy tales means you are delusional.
Neil An Blowme

Hoboken, NJ

#1278 Sep 10, 2013
today wrote:
Joy comes into our life and we won't have an attitude of scrutiny.
Oh puh-leez. You have no attitude of SELF scrunity, but you sure are quick to judge everyone else.

There is one thing that you Christian types forget. This is the USA. We have freedom of religion here. Do you understand freedom? Why are your trying to trample over everyone else's?

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#1279 Sep 10, 2013
Faithfulment wrote:
Hebrews 10:25. We are told to assemble. How do you decide which scripture not to obey?
Well you look to Paul's words, I look at the words of Jesus.

It's ironic that you ask that question. Tell me how you decide. Leviticus is often used to condemn me yet I don't see many people practicing all the prohibition listed. Do you keep your head covered when you go to church? Ever wear the color red? Mixed fiber clothing? Eat shrimp or pork?

The usual answer is the story about the veil in the Temple being torn. That a NEW Covenant has been ordained.

Yet as I pointed out, that New Covenant isn't much different than the old one. Seems to me that you folks get to pick and choose what scripture to follow and you usually gravitate to the ones that let you be busy bodies and gossips about who did what to whom. All this evangelizing telling people they are wrong and will go to hell unless they believe and do what you say they should believe and do.

My faith in God is my business. Just as your faith is yours. That being said, religious freedom is no reason to deny a group like gays and lesbians equal protection under our laws. Even the Bible says to obey civil laws. Yet you folks don't want to when it comes to people you see as sinners.

So, tell us how you decide which scriptures to follow and which ones to ignore.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#1280 Sep 10, 2013
today wrote:
If you had been at my church or watched Charles Stanley over the weekend, he addressed some of these questions. Yes, God sent his Son to die for our sins - past, present and future. We have to accept Him as Lord of our life. We have free will to make that choice. You are in the midst of refusing to attempt to get the answers from the only source that matters: the Bible. If we are committed to Christ, then we would want to worship Him in a church setting.'Do not forsake the gathering of the saints.' I would suggest the best source for all your answers is to go to a Bible-based church and hear The Word. Should not be tough to answer any question if you are in a church where the Bible is opened and referenced. Until then, I see you bucking against the possibility of learning about Him. I certainly don't know it all, but I know I must be exposed to what the Bible has to say on EVERYTHING. Once you decide to seek that out, I think you will want to learn more and more. THEN you won't be concerned about what you think everyone else who is there is doing. He becomes your PERSONAL SAVIOR. Criticizing from the outside is not going to do a thing for you. I will assure you where I go, it is far from being PABLUM!!
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(sighing) Look, I have lived over 50 years and been preached at by folks just like you all that time. You have convinced yourself I don't know the Bible or that I don't know ENOUGH of it to understand.

And you're wrong. Thing is I have no problem with your beliefs. I just have a different view of them. I've been to "Bible Based" Churches. Most of them have been filled with self righteous arrogant busybodies like yourself. I never felt the presence of God or Jesus in any of them. I have also been to many other churches and Temples from Jewish to Methodist to Presbyterian to Catholic and in some have definitely felt the Holy Spirit present in them.

I happen to feel the Holy Spirit with me all day and all night because my faith is strong. Your efforts to convert me are just plain vanity. I have God in my life, so why would I need your help?

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#1281 Sep 10, 2013
joanna50 wrote:
<quoted text>What is the importance of worshipping in a church or reading a man made book when you don't live it. You can talk all this Jesus said this Jesus said that but if you don't put his teachings to action his words are meaningless.
YUP. I can never figure out why it's so important to them that everyone else believe what they believe. They talk a great deal of getting a personal relationship with Jesus but automatically assume that if you are gay or lesbian you don't have THE CORRECT PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD! Talk about arrogance!

I came across this a while back on Facebook and want to pass it along. It certainly applies when dealing with this person.

"Going to church doesn't make you any more a Christian than going to a garage makes you a car. Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behavior does. Your words mean nothing if your actions are the complete opposite. Having true faith in whatever you believe must be shown through actions; belief is only half the battle. Let your dreams be bigger than your fears, your actions louder than your words, and your faith stronger than your feelings." -Seen on Facebook

This also applies IMO:
Freedom, morality, and the human dignity of the individual consists precisely in this; that he does good not because he is forced to do so, but because he freely conceives it, wants it, and loves it.— Mikhail Bakunin

"Be transformed by the renewing of your mind." Romans 12:2

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#1282 Sep 10, 2013
today wrote:
<quoted text>
Your lack of belief means what you say has no credibility. Each of us has a personal relationship with Christ. Someone else's relationship doesn't impact our eternal life. I would rather be on the side of making my personal decision with commitment than not. Joy comes into our life and we won't have an attitude of scrutiny.
If, "Someone else's relationship doesn't impact our eternal life." why are you here being so judgmental of Johanna and me and our beliefs in God and Jesus and the Bible.

“It’s bad manners to say ‘I love you’ with a mouth full of lies.”

Credibility you say?
Your hypocrisy speaks volumes.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#1283 Sep 10, 2013
Neil An Blowme wrote:
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Oh, horseshit. Making up the rules as you go along?
YOUR belief in fairy tales means you are delusional.
That was uncalled for and unkind. Shame on you. While I don't hold the same beliefs they do, I resent being called delusional for having faith in something greater than man's basic nature.

For me sacred texts contain lessons on how to be a better person to myself and to others.

I see nothing 'delusional' about a person trying to become a better person.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#1284 Sep 10, 2013
Neil An Blowme wrote:
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Oh puh-leez. You have no attitude of SELF scrutiny, but you sure are quick to judge everyone else.
There is one thing that you Christian types forget. This is the USA. We have freedom of religion here. Do you understand freedom? Why are your trying to trample over everyone else's?
On that we agree. Did you know that the Puritans actually banned Christmas in Boston at one time?

Religious Freedom has become the next rallying cry of the anti-gays. Thing is no one is saying they can't believe what they want to believe. Too bad they don't want to allow others to have religious freedom.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#1285 Sep 10, 2013
Faithfulment wrote:
Hebrews 10:25. We are told to assemble. How do you decide which scripture not to obey?
When the Bible, Qur'an or any religious text starts being used as a weapon, most of the good messages they contain get lost. And in doing that the sacredness of those teachings as well as the sacredness of those texts and scriptures is destroyed.

My Mom always said Church is where religion lives. The heart is where God lives.

Namaste

Since: Jan 13

Lexington, KY

#1286 Sep 10, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>YUP. I can never figure out why it's so important to them that everyone else believe what they believe. They talk a great deal of getting a personal relationship with Jesus but automatically assume that if you are gay or lesbian you don't have THE CORRECT PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD! Talk about arrogance!
I came across this a while back on Facebook and want to pass it along. It certainly applies when dealing with this person.
"Going to church doesn't make you any more a Christian than going to a garage makes you a car. Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behavior does. Your words mean nothing if your actions are the complete opposite. Having true faith in whatever you believe must be shown through actions; belief is only half the battle. Let your dreams be bigger than your fears, your actions louder than your words, and your faith stronger than your feelings." -Seen on Facebook
This also applies IMO:
Freedom, morality, and the human dignity of the individual consists precisely in this; that he does good not because he is forced to do so, but because he freely conceives it, wants it, and loves it.— Mikhail Bakunin
"Be transformed by the renewing of your mind." Romans 12:2
I for the life of me cannot fathom why its so hard for people to grasp the difference between the act of believing and the act of living what they believe.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#1287 Sep 10, 2013
joanna50 wrote:
<quoted text>I for the life of me cannot fathom why its so hard for people to grasp the difference between the act of believing and the act of living what they believe.
My Mom always said Church is where religion lives. The heart is where God lives.

It's apparent that they can only find God in a book or building and from someone else. IMO if they truly had God in their heart they'd not be so obsessed with judging you and I and saying we lack understanding.

Notice they never responded when I asked how many points they get for going to church and how many points they win when they convert someone. To me, faith isn't about keeping a scorecard.

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