Some Kentucky churches pull support f...

Some Kentucky churches pull support from Boy Scouts; no decisions in Lexington

There are 1114 comments on the Lexington Herald-Leader story from Jun 5, 2013, titled Some Kentucky churches pull support from Boy Scouts; no decisions in Lexington. In it, Lexington Herald-Leader reports that:

At least three churches in central Kentucky - including one of the state's biggest churches - have said they are cutting ties with the Boy Scouts of America following the organization's decision last month to allow gay scouts.

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define

Brandenburg, KY

#692 Jul 24, 2013
joanna50 wrote:
<quoted text>I can understand hating the sin kinda hate the game not the player so to speak. You can hate the fact that I choose to sleep with woman but why would you condemn me and not just accept the fact that I have behavior you don't agree with but you can still love me as a child of God. Just because my idea of God isn't the conventional one doesn't mean a higher purpose isn't still being served.
Idea of God conventional? That means you are redefining God to suit your lifestyle/views, not God as who HE is. Now, your statement sounds so philosophical. That's all. High purpose being served throws me for a loop and I think I rather intelligent.
define

Brandenburg, KY

#693 Jul 24, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>I don't condemn you for sleeping with a woman. My brother does. I sleep with men. My brother doesn't.
My point has always been we are all part of whatever we call that force that began creation. And that we need to treat each other as that.
Namaste
Why can't you say this: God created the world and everything in it. Why do some have to say 'higher power' or what other term they can think of. WORDS: You do not know God -- mumble/jumble with no connection at all to His Son.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#694 Jul 24, 2013
define wrote:
<quoted text>
Why can't you say this: God created the world and everything in it. Why do some have to say 'higher power' or what other term they can think of. WORDS: You do not know God -- mumble/jumble with no connection at all to His Son.
Just because my questions and the verses I quote make you feel guilty is no reason for you or anyone else to tell me what to believe and how to express my beliefs.

This may come as a surprise but you don't get to decide the rules for everyone else. You aren't God.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#695 Jul 24, 2013
define wrote:
<quoted text>
Why can't you say this: God created the world and everything in it. Why do some have to say 'higher power' or what other term they can think of. WORDS: You do not know God -- mumble/jumble with no connection at all to His Son.
Now answer my question. How do you plan to get out of God's judgement as described in Matt. 25:31-46? Are you trying to say God doesn't see how poorly you treat your neighbors who are gay and lesbian?
believe a cracker

Greenbrier, AR

#697 Jul 24, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Homosexuality according to your rules of hating the sin loving the sinner isn't a sin. And since I'm celibate what problem do you have with me that would justify ignoring how Jesus himself taught we should treat each other?
My Christianity isn't about spending the week worrying about "the sins of others". It's about praising my God and the salvation He freely gave me.
I totally agree, I have been on this thread repeating over and over that its no different than any other sin , but it is still a sin. truth be known I have done worse things than the average homosexual in the last year.
look, don't misunderstand me, I am in no way promoting legalism. maybe I misunderstood you? you are saying it is wrong ,but forgiven...is that correct? if so we agree.
I stated before , that one of my lifelong friends is the pastor of a gay and lesbian church. I would dare say that he isn't a Christian saved by grace. I can honestly say he probably has a better moral character than me. im not ready to say its ok, but no different than the bad thinks I may do.
I do think Christians get hung up on the subject way too much (like we are now).
believe a cracker

Greenbrier, AR

#698 Jul 24, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>I'll certainly allow you to make statements that make your case look lame.
I just won't play your game about re-defining what the U.S. Constitution actually says. The term 'except for gays and lesbians" isn't in it.
- A.G. Kathleen Kane (PA):
“If there is a law that I feel that does not conform with the Pennsylvania state constitution and the U.S. Constitution, then I ethically cannot do that [defend it] as a lawyer,"
As an American citizen I wouldn't defend such a law either. And as a Gay Christian I can't either.
whoa ,wait a minuite....if you are referring to gay marriage, I as a constitutional conservative cant argue against it, and wouldn't. its a ridiculous argument and I am totally against the church legislating morality via the federal or state government. I also wouldn't alow the same in reverse. I was referring to people suggesting that the church or boyscouts be forced to include someone they didn't want to. personally, I don't think excluding people you think is "wrong" is a good idea at all. it seems it would be better to include and have a positive impact on the person you view as "living in sin".
I will use myself as an example, I drink more alcohol than the average person, but i am included into a non legalistic church family. slowly it is influencing me to be a better person.
I don't think we are disagreeing about much , just misunderstanding one another more (that could be more my fault)
you have made some very valid points, and I respect that .
Advents

Knoxville, TN

#699 Jul 28, 2013
Russell wrote:
Anyone that still supports the BSA is sick in the head.
I agree. The BSA has been corrupted.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#700 Jul 28, 2013
believe a cracker wrote:
<quoted text>I totally agree, I have been on this thread repeating over and over that its no different than any other sin , but it is still a sin. truth be known I have done worse things than the average homosexual in the last year.
look, don't misunderstand me, I am in no way promoting legalism. maybe I misunderstood you? you are saying it is wrong ,but forgiven...is that correct? if so we agree.
I stated before , that one of my lifelong friends is the pastor of a gay and lesbian church. I would dare say that he isn't a Christian saved by grace. I can honestly say he probably has a better moral character than me. im not ready to say its ok, but no different than the bad thinks I may do.
I do think Christians get hung up on the subject way too much (like we are now).
Thank you. I hope you'll support me when people try to say I am twisting or misinterpreting scripture.

I'm pretty sure that when it comes to the Bible and Heaven, Matt. 25:31-46 doesn't have a "Get Out of Hell Free" card.

I plan on rubbing the anti gay industry and their supporter's noses in their hypocrisy with their own religion!

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#701 Jul 28, 2013
Advents wrote:
<quoted text>I agree. The BSA has been corrupted.
Proverbs 2:1-5
New International Version (NIV)
Moral Benefits of Wisdom

2 My son, if you accept my words
and store up my commands within you,
2 turning your ear to wisdom
and applying your heart to understanding—
3 indeed, if you call out for insight
and cry aloud for understanding,
4 and if you look for it as for silver
and search for it as for hidden treasure,
5 then you will understand the fear of the Lord
and find the knowledge of God.

Matthew 25:31-46
New International Version (NIV)
The Sheep and the Goats

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right,‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him,‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply,‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left,‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer,‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply,‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Good luck finding a "Get Out of Hell Free" card when it comes to Matt.25:31-46
Just me

Louisville, KY

#702 Jul 28, 2013
Fmfnd wrote:
<quoted text>
So, what is in store in heaven?
Eternal life with your creator. Heaven is where everyone will be happy, happy, happy.
Whatever negative you have in your life will be wiped away. Don't you want to be happy eternally?

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#703 Jul 28, 2013
believe a cracker wrote:
<quoted text>whoa ,wait a minuite....if you are referring to gay marriage, I as a constitutional conservative cant argue against it, and wouldn't. its a ridiculous argument and I am totally against the church legislating morality via the federal or state government. I also wouldn't alow the same in reverse. I was referring to people suggesting that the church or boyscouts be forced to include someone they didn't want to. personally, I don't think excluding people you think is "wrong" is a good idea at all. it seems it would be better to include and have a positive impact on the person you view as "living in sin".
I will use myself as an example, I drink more alcohol than the average person, but i am included into a non legalistic church family. slowly it is influencing me to be a better person.
I don't think we are disagreeing about much , just misunderstanding one another more (that could be more my fault)
you have made some very valid points, and I respect that .
Thank you again. But more importantly I want to thank you for understanding my anger and rage.
I've been fortunate that in spite of all the crap I read on Topix, I do somehow find common ground with many as I did with you.
I drink and I smoke. To some that is a BIG SIN. Yet we don't hear much complaints about those sins from the anti gays do we/
Instead I see a growing trend building. The idea that religious groups should be exempt from anti-discrimination laws. I don't mean churches or their leaders. I'm talking about groups like Associated Catholic Charities who accept government money but don't think they should have strings attached to it.
Truth be told, I always enjoyed two services on Christmas Eve. The one at my Church (First Unitarian Universalist in Balt.) and the Catholic service at St Phillips and James.
And just as we have seen PACS being ruled as people by SCOTUS i fear that religious exemptions will be used to try to protect individuals in the same way they are trying to defend the florist or cake baker in WA and CO.
Both those individuals served those same customers on previous occasions. Now suddenly they can't because of their religious freedom?
From where I'm sitting it looks like they use religion like a light switch.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#704 Jul 28, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you. I hope you'll support me when people try to say I am twisting or misinterpreting scripture.
I'm pretty sure that when it comes to the Bible and Heaven, Matt. 25:31-46 doesn't have a "Get Out of Hell Free" card.
I plan on rubbing the anti gay industry and their supporter's noses in their hypocrisy with their own religion!
Wow. Didn't take the trolls long to label this spam, nuts and off topic!

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#705 Jul 28, 2013
Just me wrote:
<quoted text>
Eternal life with your creator. Heaven is where everyone will be happy, happy, happy.
Whatever negative you have in your life will be wiped away. Don't you want to be happy eternally?
Of course I want to experience heaven. Now tell us if your idea of heaven is spending eternity with people who hated persecuted and tried to kill you instead of those who comforted you and treated you according to Matt. 25:31-46.

I see a lot of talk about respect. I respect anyone's right to say whatever they want. I respect everyone's right to practice their religion.

But I also expect the law to be applied equally and "religious exemptions" in discrimination laws defeat the purpose of those laws.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#706 Jul 28, 2013
Just me wrote:
<quoted text>
Eternal life with your creator. Heaven is where everyone will be happy, happy, happy.
Whatever negative you have in your life will be wiped away. Don't you want to be happy eternally?
So now you say you accept gays and lesbians as part of God's design?

Or are you still saying that to get to heaven I have to jump through all your hoops and be what you want me to be instead of how God wants me to be?
misstated

Brandenburg, KY

#707 Jul 28, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>So now you say you accept gays and lesbians as part of God's design?
Or are you still saying that to get to heaven I have to jump through all your hoops and be what you want me to be instead of how God wants me to be?
Jumping through hoops is hardly the way to express it. Also, you are incorrect in thinking God wants you to live in sin. Need to be learning by going to church...one which teaches the Bible

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#708 Jul 28, 2013
misstated wrote:
<quoted text>
Jumping through hoops is hardly the way to express it. Also, you are incorrect in thinking God wants you to live in sin. Need to be learning by going to church...one which teaches the Bible
Here's the thing. My being gay isn't a sin. My having sex with another man isn't sin.

Yes I expressed myself just fine. Why would I think having you next to me for eternity would be a reward?

Your heaven is my hell. My heaven is your hell.

I have studied the Bible for 50 years now. With others, gay and straight, male and female Jew and Gentile, Catholic and Protestant. And folks like you still can't find a way around Matt. 25:31-46. I have a good church thank you.

Going to church doesn't make you a better christian anymore than going to a garage makes you a car. Your beliefs and words don't make you a better Christian, your actions do. Your words mean nothing if you actions speak otherwise. True faith is trusting that God made me the way I am and that no one needs to know His reasons for doing so. Believing is only half the battle. If your actions don't match your words, then when you say "WE love you" the message gets lost in your mouth full of lies.

So you put on your holier than thou hat and think your words matter to me. Good luck with Matt. 25:31-46. Maybe if you sign up for the Pope's twitter account he can sneak you in.

Since: Jan 13

Lexington, KY

#709 Jul 28, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Here's the thing. My being gay isn't a sin. My having sex with another man isn't sin.
Yes I expressed myself just fine. Why would I think having you next to me for eternity would be a reward?
Your heaven is my hell. My heaven is your hell.
I have studied the Bible for 50 years now. With others, gay and straight, male and female Jew and Gentile, Catholic and Protestant. And folks like you still can't find a way around Matt. 25:31-46. I have a good church thank you.
Going to church doesn't make you a better christian anymore than going to a garage makes you a car. Your beliefs and words don't make you a better Christian, your actions do. Your words mean nothing if you actions speak otherwise. True faith is trusting that God made me the way I am and that no one needs to know His reasons for doing so. Believing is only half the battle. If your actions don't match your words, then when you say "WE love you" the message gets lost in your mouth full of lies.
So you put on your holier than thou hat and think your words matter to me. Good luck with Matt. 25:31-46. Maybe if you sign up for the Pope's twitter account he can sneak you in.
Amen Brother!!.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#710 Jul 28, 2013
misstated wrote:
<quoted text>
Jumping through hoops is hardly the way to express it. Also, you are incorrect in thinking God wants you to live in sin. Need to be learning by going to church...one which teaches the Bible
To all the Holy Rollers who hate gays, immigrants, etc:

103 Bible Verses about Obeying Authority
http://www.openbible.info/topics/obeying_auth...

To paraphrase the words of Hulk Hogan "whatcha gonna do when Judge -O -mania runs wild on you?”

Matthew 25:31-46
The Sheep and the Goats
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right,‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him,‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply,‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left,‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer,‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply,‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
too bad

Brandenburg, KY

#711 Jul 28, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Here's the thing. My being gay isn't a sin. My having sex with another man isn't sin.
Yes I expressed myself just fine. Why would I think having you next to me for eternity would be a reward?
Your heaven is my hell. My heaven is your hell.
I have studied the Bible for 50 years now. With others, gay and straight, male and female Jew and Gentile, Catholic and Protestant. And folks like you still can't find a way around Matt. 25:31-46. I have a good church thank you.
Going to church doesn't make you a better christian anymore than going to a garage makes you a car. Your beliefs and words don't make you a better Christian, your actions do. Your words mean nothing if you actions speak otherwise. True faith is trusting that God made me the way I am and that no one needs to know His reasons for doing so. Believing is only half the battle. If your actions don't match your words, then when you say "WE love you" the message gets lost in your mouth full of lies.
So you put on your holier than thou hat and think your words matter to me. Good luck with Matt. 25:31-46. Maybe if you sign up for the Pope's twitter account he can sneak you in.
Because there is no reason related to faith except for Satan who would cause you to rationalize and believe there is no sin in your acting upon your homosexual tendencies. The MAIN concept of the gospel of Jesus Christ is that our salvation has NOTHING to do with what WE could do (i.e. our actions as you refer to repeatedly), but rather what HE did for us on the cross. 50 years or not, you have missed the entire purpose of what the Bible says because you are trying to turn a wrong into a right in your way of thinking.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#712 Jul 29, 2013
too bad wrote:
Because there is no reason related to faith except for Satan who would cause you to rationalize and believe there is no sin in your acting upon your homosexual tendencies. The MAIN concept of the gospel of Jesus Christ is that our salvation has NOTHING to do with what WE could do (i.e. our actions as you refer to repeatedly), but rather what HE did for us on the cross. 50 years or not, you have missed the entire purpose of what the Bible says because you are trying to turn a wrong into a right in your way of thinking.
Dear, YOU have chosen to believe that acting on one's "homosexual tendencies" is always sinful, neither God nor the Bible made that decision for you. Many Christians have read the same book and have come to an entirely different conclusion as to what God has to say to His lesbian and gay children and it is a message of love and acceptance just the way we were created to be. They may not be your kind of Christians, but you are only praying that they aren't God's kind of Christian and that they are the ones who have God's message wrong.

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