Psychologists to review stance on gays

Psychologists to review stance on gays

There are 1184 comments on the Lincoln Daily News story from Jul 15, 2007, titled Psychologists to review stance on gays. In it, Lincoln Daily News reports that:

“We believe that psychologists should assist clients to develop lives that they value, even if that means they decline to identify as homosexual”

The American Psychological Association is embarking on the first review of its 10-year-old policy on counseling gays and lesbians, a step that gay-rights activists hope will end with a denunciation of any ... via Lincoln Daily News

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Since: Apr 07

Scarborough, Canada

#1 Jul 15, 2007
Here is the link since the one above didn't work for me.

http://archives.lincolndailynews.com/2007/Jul...

Since: Apr 07

Scarborough, Canada

#2 Jul 15, 2007
I find it funny that those who support reparative therapy say they are protecting the rights of gays who want the therapy. So, you have a group that brain washes others to believing they are sinful and disordered and they call that protecting rights. These people have such twisted logic it's horrible.
Norm

Revere, MA

#3 Jul 15, 2007
Why doesn't The American Psychological Association do a study on religious people? Why do they need it? Why do they CHOOSE THAT LIFESTYLE? The world can see what religion is doing to it. Why do people kill and hate in the name of their God? Lets get a movement going and have the Plychologists study these religious people to see if they're as normal as they think they are.

“STFU”

Since: May 07

Atlanta, GA

#4 Jul 15, 2007
The belief in religion can and should be cured. It is an anachronism that has no more use in civilized society.

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
- Steven Weinberg

“Trolls, the canker sores of”

Since: Jul 07

the internet.

#5 Jul 15, 2007
Norm wrote:
Why doesn't The American Psychological Association do a study on religious people? Why do they need it? Why do they CHOOSE THAT LIFESTYLE? The world can see what religion is doing to it. Why do people kill and hate in the name of their God? Lets get a movement going and have the Plychologists study these religious people to see if they're as normal as they think they are.
That would really be awesome. I bet the shrinks could find all kinds of new isms for those who's religion dominates them to the point of being sheeple.

Since: May 07

United States

#6 Jul 15, 2007
fuzi wrote:
The belief in religion can and should be cured. It is an anachronism that has no more use in civilized society.
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
- Steven Weinberg
Yes, I totally agree.
Religion is a mental illness... people use it as an excuse to be irresponsible, cruel to other, and ignorant.
Psy

Hollywood, FL

#7 Jul 15, 2007
Hey guys,
not all psychologists support these horrible things...
Why some people continue to claim and provide cure for something that is not considered
a mental illness?
Conversion therapy is just a way to deprive people of their capacity for response
emotionally and sexually to other people. By trying to change people’s sexual orientation
they might be reducing homosexual behavior (urge) but they ARE NOT increasing
heterosexual attraction. People can change
behaviors, if so inclined, but that doesn't change who they are!!!!

Psy
Kermit

UK

#8 Jul 15, 2007
fuzi wrote:
The belief in religion can and should be cured. It is an anachronism that has no more use in civilized society.
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
- Steven Weinberg
Excellent.

“God grant me the serenity...”

Since: Feb 07

Smalltown PA

#9 Jul 15, 2007
Luigi wrote:
I find it funny that those who support reparative therapy say they are protecting the rights of gays who want the therapy. So, you have a group that brain washes others to believing they are sinful and disordered and they call that protecting rights. These people have such twisted logic it's horrible.
Question...do you concider yourself a tolerant person?

“God grant me the serenity...”

Since: Feb 07

Smalltown PA

#10 Jul 15, 2007
fuzi wrote:
The belief in religion can and should be cured. It is an anachronism that has no more use in civilized society.
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
- Steven Weinberg
What an ignorant intoterant perspective! So you believe in forcimg your beliefs on others?

“God grant me the serenity...”

Since: Feb 07

Smalltown PA

#11 Jul 15, 2007
Psy wrote:
Hey guys,
not all psychologists support these horrible things...
Why some people continue to claim and provide cure for something that is not considered
a mental illness?
Conversion therapy is just a way to deprive people of their capacity for response
emotionally and sexually to other people. By trying to change people’s sexual orientation
they might be reducing homosexual behavior (urge) but they ARE NOT increasing
heterosexual attraction. People can change
behaviors, if so inclined, but that doesn't change who they are!!!!
Psy
There are many who have claimed to change orientation...lets not dismiss them as if they don't exist. We can't accept the testemonies from people that say that they can't change and dismiss those that say they have. That is not an honest approach to a subject. It would be nice if it worked that way...we could accept all the evidence that proved our point and simply reject all the evidence that contradicts it. I could be a great scientist if that's how it worked...but it doesn't.
Psy

Hollywood, FL

#12 Jul 15, 2007
lex70 wrote:
<quoted text>
There are many who have claimed to change orientation...lets not dismiss them as if they don't exist. We can't accept the testemonies from people that say that they can't change and dismiss those that say they have. That is not an honest approach to a subject. It would be nice if it worked that way...we could accept all the evidence that proved our point and simply reject all the evidence that contradicts it. I could be a great scientist if that's how it worked...but it doesn't.
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Psychiatric Treatment and Sexual Orientation
POSITION STATEMENT
Approved by the Board of Trustees, December 1998
Approved by the Assembly, November 1998

The Board of Trustees of the American Psychiatric Association (APA) removed homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) in 1973 after reviewing evidence that it was not a mental disorder. In 1987 ego-dystonic
homosexuality was not included in the revised third edition of DSM (DSM-II-R) after a similar review.

APA does not currently have a formal position statement on treatments that attempt to change a person’s sexual orientation, also known as “reparative therapy” or “conversion therapy.” In 1997 APA produced a fact sheet on homosexual and bisexual issues, which states that “there is no published scientific evidence supporting the efficacy of “reparative therapy” as a treatment to change one’s sexual orientation.”

The potential risks of “reparative therapy” are great and include depression, anxiety, and self-destructive behavior, since therapist alignment with societal prejudices against homosexuality may reinforce self-hatred already experienced by the patient. Many
patients who have undergone “reparative therapy” relate that they were inaccurately told that homosexuals are lonely, unhappy individuals who never achieve acceptance or satisfaction. The possibility that the person might achieve happiness and satisfying interpersonal relationships as a gay man or lesbian are not presented, nor are alternative
approaches to dealing with the effects of societal stigmatization discussed. APA recognizes that in the course of ongoing psychiatric treatment, there may be appropriate clinical indications for attempting to change sexual behaviors.

Several major professional organizations, including the American Psychological Association, the National
Association of Social Workers, and the American Academy of Pediatrics, have made statements against “reparative therapy” because of concerns for the harm caused to patients. The American Psychiatric Association has already taken clear stands against
discrimination, prejudice, and unethical treatment on a variety of issues, including discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

Therefore, APA opposes any psychiatric treatment, such as “reparative” or “conversion” therapy, that is based on the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or is based on the a priori assumption that the patient should change his or her
homosexual orientation.

Psy
Psy

Hollywood, FL

#13 Jul 15, 2007
There is no guarantee that homosexuals can change their orientation by an act of self will. There is a therapy called gay-affirmative therapy and covers topics such as antigay violence and AIDS. It is a new approach towards same sex attraction counseling and therapy. It went from treating homosexual clients from being gay, to accepting themselves and their identities as individuals. This shift in therapy has provided change in behavior, orientation, and even both.

Yarhouse, M.(1998). When Families Present with Concerns about an Adolescent's Experience on Same-Sex Attraction. The American Journal of Family Therapy, 26.
Psy

Hollywood, FL

#14 Jul 15, 2007
Conversion therapists state that they are able to change their clients' sexual orientation
from homosexual to heterosexual. However there is not evidence to support their claims since these are poorly documented. Furthermore, treatment outcome is not followed and reported overtime as would be the standard to test the validity of any mental health intervention. It is also important to note that many of the
claims come from organizations with an ideological perspective which condemns homosexuality.

Jenkins, D., and Johnston, L.(2004). Unethical treatment of gay and lesbian people with
conversion therapy. Journal of Families in Society, 85, 557-561.

Since: May 07

United States

#15 Jul 15, 2007
Thankyou Psy! Excellent posts.
People need to realize that conversion therapy is extremely dangerous even life-threatening.

“A Silly Sex Educator”

Since: Apr 07

Piermont NY

#16 Jul 15, 2007
Psychologists in general DO NOT support conversion therapy. In fact, in most circles its been considered unethical since the 70s. It is only a fringe group that still attempts to view homosexuality as a psychological abnormality.

The current APA standards don't support conversion therapy, this review is just to look at firming up what they already decided many years ago.
Psy

Hollywood, FL

#17 Jul 15, 2007
Wildchyld wrote:
Psychologists in general DO NOT support conversion therapy. In fact, in most circles its been considered unethical since the 70s. It is only a fringe group that still attempts to view homosexuality as a psychological abnormality.
The current APA standards don't support conversion therapy, this review is just to look at firming up what they already decided many years ago.
Hi there,
in general, psychologists don't support conversion therapy. But you still can find some who support and practice it. In fact, there are some universities in the US that teach conversion therapy as part of the graduate curriculum.

Psy...
Noel

Victor, NY

#18 Jul 15, 2007
lex70 wrote:
<quoted text>
What an ignorant intoterant perspective! So you believe in forcimg your beliefs on others?
Isn't that the American way?

“God grant me the serenity...”

Since: Feb 07

Smalltown PA

#19 Jul 15, 2007
javajunky wrote:
Thankyou Psy! Excellent posts.
People need to realize that conversion therapy is extremely dangerous even life-threatening.
Extremely dangerous...life-threatening.. .sounds overstated...almost alarmist. What is dangerous about helping people live within the confines of their beliefs. It seems harmful not to help people who are feeling that they are living outside of the will of God. Letting them deal with this struggle alone or trying to force them to give up their deepfelt religious beliefs sounds harmful. Try looking at it from a different perspective.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#20 Jul 15, 2007
I strongly suggest that people read the article in the Miami New Times titled "Scared Straight". very enlightening on the tactics and "truth" employed by groups like Exodus International. Also noted that many of the newer organizations now offering this were started by "relapsed" individuals that were forced out of the parent organizations.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2007-07-12/news/...

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