Repeal of LGBT protections to be on Nov. 6 ballot

Sep 10, 2012 | Posted by: Rick in Kansas | Full story: www.saljournal.com

An ordinance that protects gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people from discrimination in Salina will go on the ballot in November.

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If having a hairy-legged man in a dress be the one who recieves your kids at daycare, or sit at the teachers desk every day in your young childs' class sits perfectly fine with you, or having faith-based business or Christian owners forced, under penalty of law, not to have a right to refuse a cross-dressing man or a flamboyant homosexual for a position in their faith-based business is okay with you, You - Kansas, in Middle-America- then go ahead and vote "no" for the sexual orientations repeal.

I wanted to quote the words of that Swedish pastor who got thrown in jail some years ago for giving a sermon against homosexuality. He said:

"Homosexuality is a horrible cancer on the body of society".

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Tyler wrote:
If having a hairy-legged man in a dress be the one who recieves your kids at daycare, or sit at the teachers desk every day in your young childs' class sits perfectly fine with you, or having faith-based business or Christian owners forced, under penalty of law, not to have a right to refuse a cross-dressing man or a flamboyant homosexual for a position in their faith-based business is okay with you, You - Kansas, in Middle-America- then go ahead and vote "no" for the sexual orientations repeal.
Says the man posting to us from a city that is nearly twenty times larger than Salina, which has offered virtually the same legal protections for about eight years now, but yet can't offer a single truthful example of the fears he posts here coming true. If we are to legalize the discrimination against people because they also happen to be not heterosexual or because they don't express their gender in a manner you deem appropriate based on what has proved to be paranoid what ifs, I'm sure we could "rationalize" the removal of all such protections (including the one based on your choice of religious beliefs) on some damn good scary stories. You know, like how they used to preach that you can't trust the Black man around our White womanhood, or the Jews plotting to take over the world. If we phrase it right, we can put just about ANYONE in his little examples and having you demand that their rights be denied based on who THOSE people also happen to be too.
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I wanted to quote the words of that Swedish pastor who got thrown in jail some years ago for giving a sermon against homosexuality. He said:
"Homosexuality is a horrible cancer on the body of society".
As the late Paul Harvey used to say, "And now, the rest of the story".

Åke Green, in 2002, was a 63 year old Pentecostal Pastor from the Swedish city of Borgholm, who had publicly opposed, what was then, the recent inclusion of sexual orientation on an ALREADY EXISTING list of groups protected against persecution in the form of threats and expressions of disdain as part of the Lagen om hets mot folkgrupp, The law on incitement of hatred. Green planned this lovely little sermon and intended arrest as a publicity stunt in front of invited media outlets, but none showed, he didn't even get arrested based on delivering the sermon to the estimated fifty people who did show up for it, but for a summary of it that he wrote of it that he had published in the local newspaper, a week or so later. Green was tried, convicted and sentenced to one month in jail. He of course appealed the ruling, the last word on the subject coming from the nation's Supreme Court in 2005. They ruled that although he had violated the law and under the Swedish Constitution, his rights to the freedom of his religious beliefs and freedom of expression don't stretch to where they would protect him from prosecution under it, the rights guaranteed to him by the European Charter on Human Rights would not sustain a conviction.Åke Green was ACQUITTED by the nation's Supreme Court, he never spent so much as a minute in jail, he was only in a police station long enough to be booked and released after turning himself in.

In a sub-plot with a more local flavor, it's the saga of Åke Green which led to the pronouncement from our own beloved Fred Phelps that God hates Sweden. He and the Phelps Family Freakshow of Hate wanted to bless the country with their own demonstrations of support for the persecution and prosecution seeking Pastor Green, but reasonably fearing that we wouldn't want them back, he and his little band of merry whatevers were not allowed to come. I don't know if they are still maintaining the site, but you used to be able to learn more at their godhatessweden.com website.

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I love you too sweetie and thank you for your contributions to the discussion. Your "insight" has been invaluable in more ways than you could ever know.

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Then get the f$#k out of Kansas!
Sweetie, you know that wet dream of yours will never come true and you should just count your blessings that I'm not moving to Towanda just to piss on your Post Toasties. If you are an adult, seriously dude, work on your coping skills, if you are actually the emotionally stunted, maturity challenged 12 year old that you come across as, it sounds like somebody needs a nap and/or better parental monitoring of their internet habits.

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You know, if you had just stayed "in the closet" where you belong this issue would not have even been brought up. Think about it, Ricky. How much better was it when you hid yourselves "in the closet" and your dirty little secrets were actually hidden from normal people?
I really don't mind throwing cold water on yet another of your hot fantasies about me, but what you call my dirty little secret, never was a secret. I came out to my family and friends when I was 17. I've been "out of the closet" nearly twice as long than I was ever supposedly in one. I was taught to be myself by my parents and I always was, I grew up loved and accepted and knew that when the realization that there wasn't a heterosexual bone in my body sunk in, it was something I could safely share with them.

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What happened to your parents Ricky? How did they fu46 up so poorly that you turned to such deviant behavior?
Let's see, my folks were among the first members of a local PFLAG chapter, my father stood up for me when my alleged guidance counselor thought it appropriate in a public school setting to tell me I was going to hell for saying I was gay, they once came half way across the country just to hear me speak on the subject. For a gay man, I hit the lottery in the parental department, YOU should have fared so well. If they still want to know you exist, please thank YOUR parents for how well you turned out.

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QED. Thanks for all your help hon, but I'm done with you again.
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But I asked why you didn't just hide your dirty little secret. You see, Ricky no matter how loudly you proclaim your "normalcy" I won't believe you. You will always be defective in my eyes. Go away, or just try to act normal when out amongst normal people. It makes me sick to my stomach seeing your gay behaviors in public.
You know, it's funny. If you make this statement to him in the workplace, ANY workplace, Ricky's gay activist brethren will swoop down on you with powerful, pricey attorneys for a bankrupting lawsuit against you. Two hugely-funded gay-backing organizations, the ACLU and the Human Rights Campaign, have these attorneys waiting in the wing, always, for anytime a gay gets so much as a hang-nail.

If the local employee-non-discrimination passes, you, friend, will be out of a job, out of a career, and out of money for the rest of your life- only for that simple statement you just made.

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I certainly hope that they also put on the ballot a vote to repeal the protections of Baptists, Jews, blacks, Asians, Italians, Hungarians, and Norwegians next !
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they Don`t have to fore there is no such law, nor should there be.

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You know, it's funny. If you make this statement to him in the workplace, ANY workplace, Ricky's gay activist brethren will swoop down on you with powerful, pricey attorneys for a bankrupting lawsuit against you. Two hugely-funded gay-backing organizations, the ACLU and the Human Rights Campaign, have these attorneys waiting in the wing, always, for anytime a gay gets so much as a hang-nail.
If the local employee-non-discrimination passes, you, friend, will be out of a job, out of a career, and out of money for the rest of your life- only for that simple statement you just made.
Actually sweetie, if I were ever to launch into such a lawsuit, it wouldn't be with the ACLU or the HRC, I've got my own attorney, she's been with me for years and if I ever wanted that kind of hit the jackpot moment, she would be the one I would share it with. But not to burst your bubble, but I'm comfortably well off and don't really see the need. Besides, the local ordinance doesn't provide for such suits and there is no current provision for them under Kansas or federal law. I have been called the f word at work, more than once, not one lawsuit to my name. I did get to fire someone after calling me that and a few other endearing words, but he got his ass fired for f*cking up the bonds for a rather pricey private placement, not once, but twice, his calling me a f***** was actually nicer than what I was calling him at that point.

Salina's ordinance simply gives people the same rights to employment, housing and public accommodation on the basis of their sexual orientation and/or gender identity or expression, as enjoyed by all of us on the basis of our race, ethnicity, disability, veteran's status, choice of religion and/or familial status (which means you can't discriminate if the happy couple is just shacking up). I have personally never experienced such discrimination, but I know of others who have.

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they Don`t have to fore there is no such law, nor should there be.
Sleep through civics class, sweetie? Federal law prohibits this sort of discrimination on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion, sex, veteran's status and/or disability, the states prohibit discrimination on the basis of all or most of that list. Our local ordinance even adds to that list familial status, which means that you already can't discriminate against those living in hetero sin either.

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Once again proving just how laughable the myth of heterosexual superiority really is and what a complete f*cking waste of human potential you really are. There, I've given you the attention and verbal abuse you so pathetically crave, now feel free to scurry away, cockroach.

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<quoted text>Actually sweetie, if I were ever to launch into such a lawsuit, it wouldn't be with the ACLU or the HRC, I've got my own attorney, she's been with me for years and if I ever wanted that kind of hit the jackpot moment, she would be the one I would share it with. But not to burst your bubble, but I'm comfortably well off and don't really see the need. Besides, the local ordinance doesn't provide for such suits and there is no current provision for them under Kansas or federal law. I have been called the f word at work, more than once, not one lawsuit to my name. I did get to fire someone after calling me that and a few other endearing words, but he got his ass fired for f*cking up the bonds for a rather pricey private placement, not once, but twice, his calling me a f***** was actually nicer than what I was calling him at that point.
Salina's ordinance simply gives people the same rights to employment, housing and public accommodation on the basis of their sexual orientation and/or gender identity or expression, as enjoyed by all of us on the basis of our race, ethnicity, disability, veteran's status, choice of religion and/or familial status (which means you can't discriminate if the happy couple is just shacking up). I have personally never experienced such discrimination, but I know of others who have.
The first paragraph was a rather convenient, face-saving narrative. I applaud your imagination.

But for people who study the gay activist movement, we can attest there are no other groups as litigation-happy as them.

Jut off the top of my head, some Christian wouldn't bake their wedding cake. Or print their gay pride t-shirts. Or take their wedding photos. Or host their gay civil union ceremony in their privately-owned bed-and-breakfasts. Those people got slammed to the tune of several thousand dollars, along with legal expenses, and their reputations and careers.

The gay lobby - the one that will be fortified enormously if Salina doesn't get rid of this bill, is the most litigation-happy people there is, and they have ENORMOUS funding for high-priced representation. They sue because they can: money buys you Justice in America. And why wouldn't they?

Well, one reason why, is the good people of Kansas come to their senses and intervene the red carpet rolling out for them in their locale.
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Queers are just like CockRoaches, they flock together in bunches, they're filthy nasty creatures, they're a nuisance and you can dam well live without the the little bastar;ds. The only good roach is a squashed roach LMFAO
On many online discussions about the rightiousness of gay marriage and such, invariably there'd be a homosexual posing as a homophobe, lobbing the most hateful, savage statements about gays you could think of, for the purpose of dismantling my arguements by perpetuating the myth, distorting the magnitude, of the threatening enviornments gays face.

You may be one of those, but if you're not, I can tell you one thing: the Dep of Justice has just reached out to gay organizations to encourage them to trawl the internet for hate speech against gays for the purpose of shutting down pro-family groups, to slap them with litigation. Be warned.

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The first paragraph was a rather convenient, face-saving narrative. I applaud your imagination.
He says, hoping that my reply was more figment of my imagination than fragment of my reality. He crosses his fingers, but the reality slowly sets in that his hopes were about to be dashed.
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But for people who study the gay activist movement, we can attest there are no other groups as litigation-happy as them.
People who study at least have the opportunity to stumble across facts, what is your excuse? It's actually a tactic we learned from good Christians who at the mere hint of homosexuality in their kids book bags and it was off to court. If Salina's ordinance somehow survives the repeal effort, which has been really, really low key thus far, those non-litigious types you bleat for, are going to sue to stop it.
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Jut off the top of my head, some Christian wouldn't bake their wedding cake.
The ad nauseum list of those begging for special protection for their right to be bigots. Demanding an exemption from the acceptance of our equal rights as citizens because God says so. In Salina, that baker already cannot refuse to bake that wedding cake on the basis of the prospective customer's race, ethnicity, disability, sex, religion or familial status, no matter what you say God says on the subject. So this baker and printer and so on and so forth are entitled to this special right only available to those who can lay claim to faith where they say God hates the f's, why exactly?
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Or print their gay pride t-shirts. Or take their wedding photos. Or host their gay civil union ceremony in their privately-owned bed-and-breakfasts. Those people got slammed to the tune of several thousand dollars, along with legal expenses, and their reputations and careers.
As owners of places of public accommodation, they should be aware of the laws they are expected to abide by in order to freely exercise their right to do business. If they were tell someone because of their race, sex, religion, etc, that they weren't going to get service because God said they were going to hell, they would quite rightfully have a problem, but you're saying that they shouldn't have that same problem when it comes to the gay folk, why exactly?
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The gay lobby - the one that will be fortified enormously if Salina doesn't get rid of this bill, is the most litigation-happy people there is, and they have ENORMOUS funding for high-priced representation. They sue because they can: money buys you Justice in America. And why wouldn't they?
This study you have done to prove that the gay folk will become "sue-happy" if the evil ordinance is not repealed would be what? Once again to remind you, you are posting from a city which is some 20x larger than Salina that has had a similar ordinance for 8 years now and the number of such presumably in your eyes frivolous lawsuits which have been filed as a result of it? I'm guessing ZERO. Care to prove me wrong?
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Well, one reason why, is the good people of Kansas come to their senses and intervene the red carpet rolling out for them in their locale.
For the good people of Salina to come to their senses, they'd have to come to realize that good people like you are more than happy to give the bird to that whole thou shalt not bear false witness commandment when it comes to scaring the good people with the big bad gay bogeyman.

You're proving yourself silly.
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Rick in Kansas, just to stereotype you as a typical bullied minority - some people are just mean. It's an unpalatible part of existence - the drudgery of modern life.

Any pecieved difference, nuance, trait, or characteristic that aggressive people in society deem a weakness, will get you hated on.

Gays have hugely-funded umbrella organizations with lawyers in the waiting, anytime a homosexual feels slighted. If you don't already know about this, then you simply aren't keeping up with the gay rights movement.

But one thing the gay rights movement fails to grasp, is that what they're really up against is basic human nature: ostricize any minority or group that exhibits deviations from the norm. That includes a minority that comprises about 3.5% of the population: human nature will always ostricize fragmented subcultures apart from the mainstream. That's the way people are.

The gay rights movement is then burdened with a drastic re-socialization of man to disconnect with his basic human nature. Kirk and Madsen, geniouses that they were, had about the best course of action that could possibly be undertook.

But what is separate from this equation - the ability to re-socialize man from natural tendancies- is that Natural Moral Law is etched in the hearts and minds of every man, woman and child, the voice of the Spirit, which informs us of the differnce between what is wholesome from indecent.

The gay rights movement would wholly benefit from an equation that men had no spirit, only intellect, for which reprogramming would just be a matter of simple logic.

But somewhere deep inside people, even people who've answered affirmatively to polls affirming gay marriage, always vote against it.

The virtue of homosexuality can only be verbalized in the language of political correctness, and not in any other. Not in spiritual, common-sense, or with rational, informed judgement.

Count your lucky stars that Obama has peopled his inner-staff with homosexuals and gay-sympathizers, thus the democratic process can easily be undermined.

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Rick in Kansas, just to stereotype you as a typical bullied minority - some people are just mean. It's an unpalatible part of existence - the drudgery of modern life.
Any pecieved difference, nuance, trait, or characteristic that aggressive people in society deem a weakness, will get you hated on.
Just a reminder, you are here to advocate for a very special right to not just legally discriminate against people based om your choice to be prejudiced against them and deny them the goods and services that if you were to deny them on the basis of race, ethnicity, choice of religion, etc, you would face penalty (and probably in your mind, even rightfully so), but to also insist on being legally allowed to tell them that it's God's fault that you are doing this.

Is this a right limited only to Christians who love/hate the gay folk or does it cover anyone of any alleged faith that love/hates anyone?

Gotta love the do unto otherness of that one.

Stereotypes exist for a reason. The oppressed minority stereotype exists because of those who live down to the stereotype of the oppressor of a minority and honey, you may not have noticed, but you're here to claim a God given right to be am oppressor of a minority.
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Gays have hugely-funded umbrella organizations with lawyers in the waiting, anytime a homosexual feels slighted. If you don't already know about this, then you simply aren't keeping up with the gay rights movement.[/QUOTES]And of course, those who want to legally discriminate against the gay folk, because God says so, don't have much, much larger umbrella organizations, with a legion of lawyers chomping at the bit, because God says so, just in case any because God says so type (usually Christian), feels the the least bit slighted. If you don't already know about this, then you aren't keeping up with the truth.

Let's talk about why God says there is a right for faith based groups to indoctrinate children (even against their will) into being heterosexual, by using alleged therapies of a seriously limited efficacy, if it is actually effective period and with a track record of seriously f'ing up those not "helped" by it in ADULTS and the not hugely-funded, non-umbrella anti-gay rights movement organizations behind the lawsuit.

[QUOTE who="Dylan"]But one thing the gay rights movement fails to grasp, is that what they're really up against is basic human nature: ostricize any minority or group that exhibits deviations from the norm.
Sweetie, it may be human nature to do unto others things we would never, ever want done unto ourselves, but the laws of a civilized society mean that we have to do better than that nature. You're here to demand the right to be the failure of reason nature intended us to be. I get it.
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That includes a minority that comprises about 3.5% of the population: human nature will always ostricize fragmented subcultures apart from the mainstream. That's the way people are.
It's human nature to be an assh*le unto others, especially unto groups that were already being persecuted for who they happened to be more than what they happened to be doing when we got here, of course we should give into that instinct. We have a civil right to be that assh*le unto others, but apparently only when YOU get to be the assh*le.

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The gay rights movement is then burdened with a drastic re-socialization of man to disconnect with his basic human nature.
I really don't mind jumping the plot on you like this, but that supposed re-socialization we supposedly needed to do has already, largely taken place. As more and more of those who happen to be Lesbian or Gay, but just don't resemble any of the myriad of stereotypes used against us of the bogeyman that we're supposed to be frightened of, come out in the open, the more and more people come to see that what they have done to protect themselves against those bogeyman has do to those who aren't the monsters they were led to believe.
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Kirk and Madsen, geniouses that they were, had about the best course of action that could possibly be undertook.
They had to be geniuses to know that those opposed to rights for those who are not "straight" were going to lay their hands on their out of print, far from best selling, gay specific marketing text book and bring it back to life. Hallelujah. I'm laying even money that you haven't actually read, "After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90's", it's based on what was already a tried and true marketing strategy of how to combat popularly held misconceptions with the truth. Every group in this country which had to battle other very popularly held misconceptions about them in order to secure rights as a citizen have used it in one form or another. It read in 1989 like a series of tell us something we didn't already know for ourselves moments, now it's a 23 year old series of things that make you go duh.
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But what is separate from this equation - the ability to re-socialize man from natural tendancies- is that Natural Moral Law is etched in the hearts and minds of every man, woman and child, the voice of the Spirit, which informs us of the differnce between what is wholesome from indecent.
Spaketh the shepherd telling us that the Christians have the human right to give into the natural tendency to be an assh*le unto one another, extends to their special right to give the finger to civil laws designed to prevent such mean spirited behavior in the public square, because God says so.
That what is wholesome and what is indecent engraving you are talking about must not be that deep or there isn't one and only one engraving going on and you are talking about something that you really aren't sharing with everyone else.
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The gay rights movement would wholly benefit from an equation that men had no spirit, only intellect, for which reprogramming would just be a matter of simple logic.
The anti-gay rights movement would benefit from an equation that men had no ability to use their intellect and utilize logic, instead you are inflaming their "spirit" and frightening with the figments of your sad imagination. That is why, in the end, you will lose.
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But somewhere deep inside people, even people who've answered affirmatively to polls affirming gay marriage, always vote against it.
But as that number of people too ashamed to admit they've been taken in by the ramblings of bigots decreases, that margin gets smaller and smaller, bringing us to a year where on the states level anyways, the anti-gay rights movement could very well lose all four votes they have forced and maybe right in here in Salina.
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The virtue of homosexuality can only be verbalized in the language of political correctness, and not in any other. Not in spiritual, common-sense, or with rational, informed judgement.
The alleged virtue of your twisted fight for the right to be our oppressor, because God says you can, can only be verbalized in the terms of a lie. Not with "common sense", "spirituality" nor with rational informed judgement.

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Count your lucky stars that Obama has peopled his inner-staff with homosexuals and gay-sympathizers, thus the democratic process can easily be undermined.
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Have you thought of professional intervention with that paranoid streak of yours and the serious lack of coping skills that it has led to. You have lost, get used to it.b

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