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Maryland Gay Marriage Could Hinge on Black Churches

There are 9647 comments on the The Skanner story from Mar 1, 2012, titled Maryland Gay Marriage Could Hinge on Black Churches. In it, The Skanner reports that:

With Maryland poised to legalize gay marriage, some conservative opponents and religious leaders are counting on members of their congregations, especially in black churches, to upend the legislation at the polls this fall.

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#10201 Sep 20, 2013
Terra Firma wrote:
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Why do you repeat this lie ad nauseam, Brian? Section 2 of the 14th amendment pertains only to apportioning members of the House of Representatives among the states based on their population. The only mention of males is to reduce a states apportionment if they deny males 21 years of age or older the right to vote. That section says NOTHING regarding equality of the sexes; only uneducated and lying morons like you think otherwise.
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How do you know what every member of Congress and every state legislature thought or believed 150 years ago? Do you hear voices telling you these things?
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Neither do you, Brian. In fact you've proven yourself totally inept at understanding either the constitution or SCOTUS rulings.
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SCOTUS has ruled otherwise. From the majority opinion of Lawrence v. Texas:
"Had those who drew and ratified the Due Process Clauses of the Fifth Amendment or the Fourteenth Amendment known the components of liberty in its manifold possibilities, they might have been more specific. They did not presume to have this insight. They knew times can blind us to certain truths and later generations can see that laws once thought necessary and proper in fact serve only to oppress. As the Constitution endures, persons in every generation can invoke its principles in their own search for greater freedom."
link: http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/02-102....
Try again, bigot.
And he continues to ignore the 19th changed the distinction recognized in the 14tht:

Amendment XIX: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex."

And the Civil Rights Act of '64 clarified sex is not a legitimate excuse for denial of equal protections.

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#10202 Sep 21, 2013
The 19th pertains only to the right to vote; there is no gender equality right in the Constitution. DOMA was the last legislation of the definition of marriage.
Huh

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#10203 Sep 21, 2013
BrianG....See your still spewing your evil Nazi fascist crap....

How about you move to Iran..You will fit I better there then in this FREE nation.

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#10204 Sep 21, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
The 19th pertains only to the right to vote; there is no gender equality right in the Constitution.
It's inherent in the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. And it's been ruled a suspect class subject to intermediate scrutiny by SCOTUS. Which means the state can't discriminate on the basis of sex absent an important government interest.

Why do you lie, Brian?
Brian_G wrote:
DOMA was the last legislation of the definition of marriage.
And look what happened to the definition the federal government tried to impose for federal benefits: declared unconstitutional.

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#10205 Sep 21, 2013
The exception noted in the 14th applies only to the right to vote.
The 19th eliminated that exception.

The civil rights act of 1964 affirmed equal rights cannot be denied on the basis of sex.

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#10206 Sep 21, 2013
DOMA is unconstitutional.

"The question is whether the resulting injury and indignity is a deprivation of an essential part of the liberty protected by the Fifth Amendment, since what New York treats as alike, the federal law deems unlike by a law designed to injure the same class the State seeks to protect."

"DOMA's principal effect is to identify a subset of state-sanctioned marriages and make them unequal. The principal purpose is to impose inequality, not for other reasons like governmental efficiency. By this dynamic DOMA undermines both the public and private significance of state-sanctioned same-sex marriages; for it tells those couples, and all the world, that their otherwise valid marriages are unworthy of federal recognition. This places same-sex couples in an unstable position of being in a second-tier marriage. The differentiation demeans the couple, whose moral and sexual choices the Constitution protects.

Under DOMA, same-sex married couples have their lives burdened, by reason of government decree, in visible and public ways. By its great reach, DOMA touches many aspects of married and family life, from the mundane to the profound.

The federal statute is invalid, for no legitimate purpose overcomes the purpose and effect to disparage and to injure those whom the State, by its marriage laws, sought to protect in personhood and dignity. By seeking to displace this protection and treating those persons as living in marriages less respected than others, the federal statute is in violation of the Fifth Amendment" (Windsor)

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#10207 Sep 21, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
The 19th pertains only to the right to vote; there is no gender equality right in the Constitution. DOMA was the last legislation of the definition of marriage.
Brian, are women people?

If so, your assertion has a pretty big hole in it.

Read the 14th Amendment, then stop being an idiot.

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#10208 Sep 22, 2013
Same sex marriage means neighbor suing neighbor.

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#10209 Sep 22, 2013
lides wrote:
Brian, are women people?
If so, your assertion has a pretty big hole in it.
Read the 14th Amendment, then stop being an idiot.
All women are people and all people are equal before the law but men and women aren't equal, they differ. Gender differences permeate law, language, culture and biology, those differences are important and widely noted. If men and women weren't different then all homosexuals would be bisexual. If male/female differences were removed, it would affect the survival of the human species.

Recognizing male/female differences and defending laws that defend husband/wife marriage is the middle of the road; many gays defend one man and one woman marriage. The irrational name-callers don't understand their society or the law.

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#10210 Sep 22, 2013
"Congress... cannot deny the liberty protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment.
...the principal purpose and the necessary effect of this law are to demean those persons who are in a lawful same-sex marriage. This requires the Court to hold, as it now does, that DOMA is unconstitutional as a deprivation of the liberty of the person protected by the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution.

The liberty protected by the Fifth Amendment's Due Process Clause contains within it the prohibition against denying to any person the equal protection of the laws. While the Fifth Amendment itself withdraws from the Government the power to degrade or demean in the way this law does, the equal protection guarantee of the Fourteenth Amendment makes that Fifth Amendment right all the more specific and all the better understood and preserved."
Windsor

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#10211 Sep 22, 2013
Gays have the same liberty a heterosexuals; a gay may marry a lesbian in every state. Many gays defend marriage as one man and one woman.

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#10212 Sep 22, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Same sex marriage means neighbor suing neighbor.
And free speech means we have to endure your pathological lying.

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#10213 Sep 22, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Gays have the same liberty a heterosexuals; a gay may marry a lesbian in every state.
Why should a gay man be forced to marry a lesbian to satisfy your irrational bigotry, Brian? After all, black men could marry black women under anti-miscegenation laws but equal application of the law wasn't sufficient justification to save it from being declared unconstitutional.
Brian_G wrote:
Many gays defend marriage as one man and one woman.
Far more straight people support same sex marriage.

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#10214 Sep 22, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>All women are people and all people are equal before the law but men and women aren't equal, they differ.
But men and women are equal before the law. Sex is a quasi-suspect class for equal protection constitutional law. Laws may only differentiate based on sex if there is an important government interest at stake and the restriction is rationally related to that interest.
Brian_G wrote:
Gender differences permeate law, language, culture and biology, those differences are important and widely noted.
The discussion is only about marriage law, Brian. Language, culture and biology aren't relevant to that discussion.
Brian_G wrote:
If men and women weren't different then all homosexuals would be bisexual.

And what would heterosexuals be?
Brian_G wrote:
If male/female differences were removed, it would affect the survival of the human species.
No one is talking about, much less advocating, reengineering humans to eliminate sex organs, Brian.
Brian_G wrote:
Recognizing male/female differences and defending laws that defend husband/wife marriage is the middle of the road
You really need to learn the difference between sex and gender roles so you don't make yourself sound even more stupid than you already are.
Brian_G wrote:
many gays defend one man and one woman marriage.
Far more straight people support same sex marriage.
Brian_G wrote:
The irrational name-callers don't understand their society or the law.
We understand you just fine, Brian. You're an uneducated and intellectually challenged bigot. Using words that accurately describe you based on the contents of your posts isn't "name calling". it's simply stating acts.

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#10215 Sep 23, 2013
Terra Firma wrote:
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The discussion is only about marriage law, Brian. Language, culture and biology aren't relevant to that discussion...

We understand you just fine, Brian. You're an uneducated and intellectually challenged bigot. Using words that accurately describe you based on the contents of your posts isn't "name calling". it's simply stating acts.
When the left defines the argument, defamation and limits are the rule. Same sex marriage is about losing your business because a gay lobby doesn't like your opinion of same sex marriage.

Keeping marriage male/female means fewer frivolous law suits.
Huh

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#10216 Sep 23, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>When the left defines the argument, defamation and limits are the rule. Same sex marriage is about losing your business because a gay lobby doesn't like your opinion of same sex marriage.
Keeping marriage male/female means fewer frivolous law suits.
Follow rules and don't discriminate and don't be a hate filled bigot and your gonna be great and make money and no problem....

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#10217 Sep 23, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
When the left defines the argument, defamation and limits are the rule. Same sex marriage is about losing your business because a gay lobby doesn't like your opinion of same sex marriage.
Keeping marriage male/female means fewer frivolous law suits.
You only lose your business if you break the law by projecting your morality onto others, moron.

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#10218 Sep 23, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
All women are people and all people are equal before the law but men and women aren't equal, they differ.
Brian, are you an idiot?

A black man and a white man are different, yet they are entitled to equal protection of the law.
A man and a woman are different, yet they are entitled to equal protection of the law.
A Jew and a Christian are different, yet they are entitled to equal protection of the law.

Have you come up with a compelling governmental interest served by denying same sex couples the right to marry, or are you still a moron?

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#10219 Sep 23, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Same sex marriage means neighbor suing neighbor.
Guess what, moron. When people break the law, they get sued, and lose.

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#10220 Sep 23, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
When the left defines the argument, defamation and limits are the rule.
It's not defamation when it's true. The limits are placed by the law, not "the left".
Brian_G wrote:
Same sex marriage is about losing your business because a gay lobby doesn't like your opinion of same sex marriage.
So now you think all businesses in addition to all Christians are above the law, Brian? Then who exactly does the law apply to in your world?
Brian_G wrote:
Keeping marriage male/female means fewer frivolous law suits.
Lawsuits aren't frivolous if the plaintiff prevails, Brian; it means there was a valid legal issue at stake.

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