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Maryland Gay Marriage Could Hinge on Black Churches

There are 9652 comments on the The Skanner story from Mar 1, 2012, titled Maryland Gay Marriage Could Hinge on Black Churches. In it, The Skanner reports that:

With Maryland poised to legalize gay marriage, some conservative opponents and religious leaders are counting on members of their congregations, especially in black churches, to upend the legislation at the polls this fall.

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#9728 Jan 7, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
Demeaning insults from Brian: " Same sex unions have always existed; an accurate description of a tryst in a public restroom is a same sex union.." #3507 Sunday, 4-15-12 Maryland Gay Marriage Could Hinge on Black Churches
It's an observation; opposite sex unions have always existed; an accurate description of a tryst in a parked car is an opposite sex union. Your too sensitive; that comment wasn't about your personal life; it's about human nature. If that demeans or insults you; that's your problem.

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Not Yet Equal wrote:
Brian again: "I'm claiming Not Yet Equal promotes antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, irrational fear, hostile behavior and violence by ignoring true evil and using homophbia[sic] to defame political opponents." #2020
( 12-5-13 Gay Marriage Chicago Il.)
Check your quote; those were the words Not Yet Equal used; if you find that insulting then you find his post insulting. Also, I didn't misspell homophobia.

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Not Yet Equal wrote:
Brian again: "Same sex marriage is a form of social decadence, there is no written history of any government with same sex marriage longer than 13 years old." #9686 Brian, 1-6-13 Maryland Gay Marriage Could...
Decadence: characterized by or appealing to self-indulgence.

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Not Yet Equal wrote:
Again, you fail to provide any legitimate governmental interest sufficient for denial of equal treatment under the law as required by the 5th and 14th amendments to the constitution.
There is no denial of equal treatment; I deny special treatment to redefine marriage to satisfy sexual predilection. There's no law against same sex marriage and homosexuals have always married under the same laws as everyone else.

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#9729 Jan 7, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>My observation that heterosexual couples provide the benefit of posterity while homosexual couples can't isn't harm. Your being oversensitive; many homosexuals are excellent parents for adopted children. That doesn't change the facts of life.
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<quoted text>I disagree, the problem is underpopulation and lack of growth. We've never run out of any mineral resource in the course of human history. Land isn't destroyed when you build on it, it's called improvement.
Earth has lasted 4.5 billion years; humanity's not likely to last in the long run but the Earth abides.
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<quoted text>I've never claimed gays and lesbians shouldn't be allowed to marry; they always have under the same laws as everyone else. I claim nobody should be allowed to redefine marriage to satisfy sexual predilection.
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<quoted text>Likewise; I'm sure.
To funny Brian.......it okay to marry as long as you marry the way I think you should......like I care about what you think I should do in order to benefit as a Citizen of this Country........sorry, but I should be able to marry the person who I want to share my life with not simply someone who has the proper opposite plumbing as me......a concept you don't get!!!

Aren't you trying to keep the definition of marriage one way based on what you believe one's sexual predilection should be? Instead of what it is?

You seriously believe that our NATURAL RESOURCES have not been depleted at all since humans have been around? Amazing that you can't see that whole species of animals have been lost because of over-population, profitability and land development!!!

How many human babies will be born today? Roughly 10,000 in just the United States......how can that be considered under-populated or lack of growth? Roughly 300,000 children are born in the US every month, which doing the math on under conservative numbers would show that roughly 3.6 million children are born every year just in the US a lone........I seriously doubt that 3.6 million people die every year because that would be the only way to prevent over-population.....and we aren't even discussing the amount of children born every year around the world!!!

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#9730 Jan 7, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
There is no reason to believe allowing gay people to participate under the laws currently in effect would lead to less monogamy. There are many reasons to believe it would lead to more monogamy for same sex couples who choose to get married.
Prove it.

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Not Yet Equal wrote:
Fear mongering based on "what if" scenarios fail to qualify as a legitimate governmental interest,
You call it 'fear mongering' and I call it considering the consequences of changing public policy. Once someone stops thinking about how it feels and considers the results of their actions they stop being a liberal and become a conservative.

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Not Yet Equal wrote:
while reduction in disease transmission is a legitimate governmental interest served by promotion of marriage for same sex couples as well as opposite sex ones.
On the other hand, increasing sexual disease transmission using by creating a false sense of safety through marriage would harm legitimate governmental public health interests. You don't need marriage to have an exclusive sexual relationship and theirs no evidence that same sex marriage will provide monogamy.

Here's the end of the story for the first same sex marriage in the USA:

Couple Who Fought for Gay Marriage Files for Divorce
In 2003, Julie and Hillary Goodridge were among seven gay couples in Massachusetts that sued for the right to marry. The lawsuit led to the historic court ruling legalizing gay marriage in the state. Massachusetts was the first state to legalize same-sex marriage...

http://www.totaldivorce.com/news/articles/soc...

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#9731 Jan 7, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
<quoted text>
define monogamy...
does a sperm donor who is not one of the spouses count?
does a surrogate the old fashioned way count?
unless its the turkey baster, you have a monogamy problem...
A third party required to have kids? tell me again how different polygamy is?
For most, monogamy means being married or otherwise committed to one person at a time.

Straight couples who use assisted reproduction do not consider it a violation of monogamy, nor polygamy. It is irrational to apply those concepts to assisted reproduction or adoption.

Polygamy is an entirely different arrangement because it requires changing the property divisions and child custody arrangements as well as the social dynamics of society. Treating gay people equally under the laws currently in effect requires no other changes, nor does it change the social dynamics of society for straight people.

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AOL

#9732 Jan 7, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I disagree, Scalia isn't anti-gay; he's anti-judicial activism.
I challenge you to provide a quote from Scalia where he denigrates or insults gays or lesbians. Calling you on false defamation isn't an argument to emotion; it describes the way you argue ad hominem instead of arguing the issues.
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You are projecting again. I give you legal arguments and you reply with unfounded fears of the future, empty bumper sticker slogans, and the same old irrational and discredited assertions, and insults.

I believe there is an article currently on this site that displays Scalia's anti-gay comments.

Again, you fail to provide any legitimate governmental interest sufficient for denial of equal treatment under the law as required by the 5th and 14th amendments to the constitution.

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AOL

#9733 Jan 7, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>It's an observation; opposite sex unions have always existed; an accurate description of a tryst in a parked car is an opposite sex union. Your too sensitive; that comment wasn't about your personal life; it's about human nature. If that demeans or insults you; that's your problem.
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<quoted text>Check your quote; those were the words Not Yet Equal used; if you find that insulting then you find his post insulting. Also, I didn't misspell homophobia.
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<quoted text>Decadence: characterized by or appealing to self-indulgence.
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<quoted text>There is no denial of equal treatment; I deny special treatment to redefine marriage to satisfy sexual predilection. There's no law against same sex marriage and homosexuals have always married under the same laws as everyone else.
I think most will see your insults are in fact insults.

I provided a definition of Homophobia. You chose to use that definition to defame me by applying that definition to me without any supporting evidence.

And again, the legal marriages of gay couples are not treated equally to the same legal marriages of straight people from the same jurisdiction by the federal and some state governments. This is not equal treatment under the law.

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#9734 Jan 7, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Here's the end of the story for the first same sex marriage in the USA:
Couple Who Fought for Gay Marriage Files for Divorce
In 2003, Julie and Hillary Goodridge were among seven gay couples in Massachusetts that sued for the right to marry. The lawsuit led to the historic court ruling legalizing gay marriage in the state. Massachusetts was the first state to legalize same-sex marriage...
http://www.totaldivorce.com/news/articles/soc...
Big deal.....they got divorced.......married couples do that at least 50% of the time........and you have clearly stated that you see nothing wrong with couples separating and divorcing....so, why the stink over this couple's divorce? At least they didn't have to jump through a bunch of patch-worked laws to end their marriage like some other legally married Same-Sex couples have just because they live in a state that doesn't recognize that they were ever married in the first place!!!

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#9735 Jan 7, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Couple Who Fought for Gay Marriage Files for Divorce
In 2003, Julie and Hillary Goodridge were among seven gay couples in Massachusetts that sued for the right to marry. The lawsuit led to the historic court ruling legalizing gay marriage in the state. Massachusetts was the first state to legalize same-sex marriage...
Julie and Hillary lasted longer than:

Zsa Zsa Gabor and Felipe DeAlba -- less than 24 hours
Britney Spears and Jason Alexander -- 55 hours
Carmen Electra and Dennis Rodman -- 9 days
Eddie Murphy and Tracey Edmonds -- 14 days
Axl Rose and Erin Everly -- 26 days
Drew Barrymore and Jeremy Thomas -- 29 days
Chris Kattan and Sunshine Tutt -- 42 days
Pamela Anderson and Rick Salomon -- 60 days
Kim Kardashian and Kris Humphries -- 72 days
Pamela Anderson and Kid Rock -- 114 days
Lisa Marie Presley and Nicolas Cage -- 3 months
Charlie Sheen and Donna Peele -- 4 months
Renee Zellweger and Kenny Chesney -- 4 months

All male/female couples that you tout. And all legal and valid in all 50 states and by the federal government. And somehow you think these marriages are more important than the gay and lesbian couples that have had long engagements forced upon them because you want their government to deny them civil marriage equality.

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#9737 Jan 7, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Not all marriages are monogamous. Monogamy isn't a requirement for marriage. Isn't it possible, changing marriage to consider two men as married might decrease the trait of monogamy in marriage and harm everyone (including homosexuals) in the process?
People practicing sex with one partner in a committed relationship is a marriage ideal. It is in the best interest of the state to promote that ideal as a way to stem the tide of STDs.

Answer to your question. NO it would not. Marriage is about commitment. Are you saying you don't believe in marriage commitment?

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#9738 Jan 7, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
<quoted text>
except polygamy which has issues which we could never figure a way to make work, right?
Still waiting for your version of polygamy that is fair and equal to all participants and that is supported by a significant portion of the polygamous community. You can change your name, but your spots never change.

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#9739 Jan 7, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
<quoted text>
You may discount the documentation showing same sex marriage is as old as history as insignificant if you choose. Yet clearly, it is nothing new, and to claim otherwise as so many who want to deny equality do, is to deny history.
Let's be honest. The only reason people don't want gay marriage is they disagree how that changes our society. You won't hear that one argued in court...but its the truth.

And there is no significant historical precedence for gay marriage. It is a recent social experiment.

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#9740 Jan 7, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
It doesn't take an "activist judge" to see that there can't be laws in a state that irrationally discriminate against a minority group...
Does what you like to do with your winky really make you a "minority group"?

;]

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#9741 Jan 7, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
I've listed many reasons to keep marriage male/female. Civilizations don't last forever, they decay and die. Same sex marriage is a form of social decadence, there is no written history of any government with same sex marriage longer than 13 years old.
Oh but I can hear it now..."they just didn't understand homosexuality as we do today"!

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#9742 Jan 7, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
This includes the Bible, The Talmud, the Bhagavad Gita, the Koran, the Gnostic Gospels and all Holy Books.
You don't even believe what is clearly written in your Bible.
Really?

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#9743 Jan 7, 2013
Ray wrote:
Am I the only person who sees the similarities between the pro-"gay marriage" crowd and the pro-abortion crowds? They both believe in rights that do not exist.
Bingo!

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#9744 Jan 7, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
<quoted text>
Marriage is a fundamental right.
They are very different arguments. The only similarity is; they are both about the right of the individual to self determination.
Marriage has been clearly and repeatedly established as a fundamental right of the individual. The only remaining question is whether gay people can be excluded from the equal treatment required by the 5th and 14th amendments to the constitution.
"In the court’s final analysis, the government’s only basis for supporting DOMA comes down to an apparent belief that the moral views of the majority may properly be enacted as the law of the land in regard to state-sanctioned same-sex marriage in disregard of the personal status and living conditions of a significant segment of our pluralistic society. Such a view is not consistent with the evidence or the law as embodied in the Fifth Amendment with respect to the thoughts expressed in this decision. The court has no doubt about its conclusion: DOMA deprives them of the equal protection of the law to which they are entitled."
http://metroweekly.com/poliglot/57794777-DOMA ...
All "people" have the same marriage rights. There are no special rights for "non-gays" at all.

Besides, how does one prove they are "gay" or "straight" to claim these special or unequal rights?

You simply want to change marriage to something other than what it is or always has been.

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#9745 Jan 7, 2013
Dubya wrote:
<quoted text>
Hate to tell you, Buddy, but gay marriage is coming to your neighborhood. Get used to it or move to Iran or Uganda.
"We're here. We're queer. Get used to it" ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_slogans

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#9746 Jan 7, 2013
LuLu Ford wrote:
<quoted text>
It is just as much a Gospel as the Bible, or not. Please explain the reason why it is not in the Bible. Then explain why that reason makes it false or not scripture.
Good luck with that.
There is a lot of commentary on "why the Bible". Google it.

At the end of the day its about knowing God personally and recognizing where he is and is not.

John 10:1-6
“I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.” Jesus used this figure of speech, but they did not understand what he was telling them.

or try this:

http://www.therivercrc.com/library/seekers/bi...

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#9747 Jan 7, 2013
Jupiter wrote:
<quoted text>
I wonder who decided it was false. Who made the decision that the others were authentic?
Evil conspirators living beyond the reach of God...right?

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#9748 Jan 7, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
You seriously believe that our NATURAL RESOURCES have not been depleted at all since humans have been around? Amazing that you can't see that whole species of animals have been lost because of over-population, profitability and land development!!!
How many human babies will be born today? Roughly 10,000 in just the United States......how can that be considered under-populated or lack of growth? Roughly 300,000 children are born in the US every month, which doing the math on under conservative numbers would show that roughly 3.6 million children are born every year just in the US a lone........I seriously doubt that 3.6 million people die every year because that would be the only way to prevent over-population.....and we aren't even discussing the amount of children born every year around the world!!!
I love to hear people decry how evil "land development" is...from the comfort of their own home! What...should they have stopped after building your city and house?

And "over-population"? What...should the human race have stopped after YOU were born?

And that evil "profitability"? Do you have job? How about a 401k? Should we just the let government control the economy so we can have "social justice"? The truth is that evil profit motive has created the greatest economies the world has ever known...and even the finest health care in history.

There is nothing wrong with making money. It's loving money more than people that's the problem.

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