Maryland Gay Marriage Could Hinge on ...

Maryland Gay Marriage Could Hinge on Black Churches

There are 9647 comments on the The Skanner story from Mar 1, 2012, titled Maryland Gay Marriage Could Hinge on Black Churches. In it, The Skanner reports that:

With Maryland poised to legalize gay marriage, some conservative opponents and religious leaders are counting on members of their congregations, especially in black churches, to upend the legislation at the polls this fall.

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Mona Lott

West New York, NJ

#8207 Nov 17, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
The majority is wrong; changing the definition of marriage harms everyone.
You have FAILED to prove your case, Brian. Probably because you have no evidence.

“Trump-- American Tragedy”

Since: Mar 11

Columbus Ohio

#8208 Nov 17, 2012
Quest wrote:
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Why does anyone have to carry anyone else over a threshold? And, who is required to have "jitters", or not have them?
Are there rules like that for straight couples? Who enforces them? The Marriage Police?
because a marriage(union between male and female) the groom(the male) carries the bride(the female) across the threshold and then the groom(the male) wants to have sex with the bride(the female) and the groom(the male)gets all nervous...that's the wedding night jitters.

Since: Aug 11

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#8209 Nov 17, 2012
Mona Lott wrote:
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You have FAILED to prove your case, Brian. Probably because you have no evidence.
Nothing new about that. The Prop 8 plaintiffs also lacked evidence.

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#8210 Nov 17, 2012
iamcuriousnow wrote:
because a marriage(union between male and female) the groom(the male) carries the bride(the female) across the threshold and then the groom(the male) wants to have sex with the bride(the female) and the groom(the male)gets all nervous...that's the wedding night jitters.
Which state/jurisdiction has those rules built into its marriage laws? Never heard of any of those as being required.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#8211 Nov 17, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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Nothing new about that. The Prop 8 plaintiffs also lacked evidence.
You mean the Prop 8 proponents, right? The Plaintiffs were represented by Olson and Boies:-)

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#8212 Nov 17, 2012
NorCal Native wrote:
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You mean the Prop 8 proponents, right? The Plaintiffs were represented by Olson and Boies:-)
Sorry. Of course. Ooops At least someone reads my posts.

Kudos.
soapmann

Masontown, PA

#8213 Nov 17, 2012
youtube.com/watch... ……… FM I doubt that Black Churchs will do such,,,,Gay isnt a big important issue
NoQ

Santa Cruz, CA

#8215 Nov 17, 2012
NoQ wrote:
<quoted text>
According to you fking Fa$$ots, everyone but HO:MOS are trolls. You Fa$$ots are ASSTROLLS.
WTF?

U R a babbling idiot

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#8216 Nov 17, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry. Of course. Ooops At least someone reads my posts.
Kudos.
Isn't it good to know that our posts get read......lol!!!

I knew what ya meant....but these other idiots might get the wrong idea.......lol!!!
Inquiring Mind

Harrisburg, PA

#8217 Nov 17, 2012
Why not simply call such a church that doesn't really care about what its holy book says about anything about is a law unto itself what it reallly is? A ridiclous travesty.
Inquiring Mind

Harrisburg, PA

#8218 Nov 17, 2012
....and is a law unto itself...

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#8219 Nov 18, 2012
Why not call a mind incapable of thinking for itself what it really is: a travesty.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#8220 Nov 18, 2012
iamcuriousnow wrote:
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because a marriage(union between male and female) the groom(the male) carries the bride(the female) across the threshold and then the groom(the male) wants to have sex with the bride(the female) and the groom(the male)gets all nervous...that's the wedding night jitters.
How odd. I've never heard of the "bride carrying" wedding requirement. What states have laws governing that?

And, since most brides and grooms have been having sex long before the wedding, I wonder why those jitters are required.

You have some strange ideas, or perhaps just immature ones.

I'm thinking perhaps you are a bit to young to understand how weddings work, true?

Since: Mar 07

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#8221 Nov 18, 2012
Inquiring Mind wrote:
Why not simply call such a church that doesn't really care about what its holy book says about anything about is a law unto itself what it reallly is? A ridiclous travesty.
All Christian churches value the Bible. But who gets to decide which verses are cherry-picked or ignored by any given denomination? You?

What is your level of Biblical education and scholarship, for you to have the ability to decide the focus and beliefs of ALL Christian denominations?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#8222 Nov 18, 2012
If what a holy book or relgion says about a certain behavior is unnacceptable to us, it makes far more sense for us to rejecct to

1. write our own holy book,

2. join another religion,

3. or invent our own

than to strive might and main to change it by trying to force our moral preferences on it.

IMHO

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#8223 Nov 18, 2012
If what a holy book or relgion says about a certain behavior is unnacceptable to us, it makes far more sense for us to reject it by

1. writing our own holy book,

2. joining another religion,

3. or inventing our own religion

than to fanatically strive might and main to change it by trying to force our moral preferences on it.

IMHO

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#8224 Nov 18, 2012
Brainiac2 wrote:
If what a holy book or relgion says about a certain behavior is unnacceptable to us, it makes far more sense for us to reject it by
1. writing our own holy book,
2. joining another religion,
3. or inventing our own religion
than to fanatically strive might and main to change it by trying to force our moral preferences on it.
IMHO
While some take those options, others have changed the translations and interpretations of the bible from early on and throughout history. The modern English translation includes the prejudices of the translators:

"The primarily sexual meaning of the word sodomia for Christians did not evolve before the 6th century AD. Roman Emperor Justinian I, in his novels no. 77 (dating 538) and no. 141 (dating 559) amended to his Corpus iuris civilis, and declared that Sodom's sin had been specifically same-sex activities and desire for them. He also linked "famines, earthquakes, and pestilences" upon cities as being due to "such crimes", during a time of recent earthquakes and other disasters." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy

"Jesus and five Old Testament prophets all speak of the sins that led to the destruction of Sodom -- and not one of them mentions homosexuality.

Alleged references to homosexuality in I Corinthians and I Timothy are the inventions of anti-gay translators. They are not in the original Greek texts." (Rev. Dr. Mel White)

"Several books already exist attempting to demonstrate that the Christian Bible does not, in fact, condemn consenting-adult homosexuality. But God is Not a Homophobe has a unique perspective in that the author has a lifetime of experience in pastoring hard-core fundamentalist churches. His former bitter opposition to all forms of homosexuality has given way to a rational, unbiased acceptance that the Bible says hardly anything about homosexuality, and what it does say cannot honestly be used to condemn consenting same-sex unions." "God is not a Homophobe: An unbiased look at Homosexuality in the Bible" by Philo Thelos
http://www.trafford.com/4dcgi/view-item...

"What the Bible Really Says About Homosexuality" by Daniel Helminiask, PH.D., was ordained as a Catholic priest in 1967 and is incardinated in the Diocese of Pittsburgh. From 1981-1985 was Assoc Prof for Systematic Theology at Oblate School of Theology and earlier completed his Ph.D. in systematic theology at Boston College and Andover Newton Theological School. He concludes the Bible says absolutely nothing about homosexuality being sinful when you examine the actual Hebrew/Greek texts."

“Trolls are Clueless”

Since: Dec 07

Aptos, California

#8225 Nov 18, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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While some take those options, others have changed the translations and interpretations of the bible from early on and throughout history. The modern English translation includes the prejudices of the translators:
"The primarily sexual meaning of the word sodomia for Christians did not evolve before the 6th century AD. Roman Emperor Justinian I, in his novels no. 77 (dating 538) and no. 141 (dating 559) amended to his Corpus iuris civilis, and declared that Sodom's sin had been specifically same-sex activities and desire for them. He also linked "famines, earthquakes, and pestilences" upon cities as being due to "such crimes", during a time of recent earthquakes and other disasters." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy
"Jesus and five Old Testament prophets all speak of the sins that led to the destruction of Sodom -- and not one of them mentions homosexuality.
Alleged references to homosexuality in I Corinthians and I Timothy are the inventions of anti-gay translators. They are not in the original Greek texts." (Rev. Dr. Mel White)
"Several books already exist attempting to demonstrate that the Christian Bible does not, in fact, condemn consenting-adult homosexuality. But God is Not a Homophobe has a unique perspective in that the author has a lifetime of experience in pastoring hard-core fundamentalist churches. His former bitter opposition to all forms of homosexuality has given way to a rational, unbiased acceptance that the Bible says hardly anything about homosexuality, and what it does say cannot honestly be used to condemn consenting same-sex unions." "God is not a Homophobe: An unbiased look at Homosexuality in the Bible" by Philo Thelos
http://www.trafford.com/4dcgi/view-item...
"What the Bible Really Says About Homosexuality" by Daniel Helminiask, PH.D., was ordained as a Catholic priest in 1967 and is incardinated in the Diocese of Pittsburgh. From 1981-1985 was Assoc Prof for Systematic Theology at Oblate School of Theology and earlier completed his Ph.D. in systematic theology at Boston College and Andover Newton Theological School. He concludes the Bible says absolutely nothing about homosexuality being sinful when you examine the actual Hebrew/Greek texts."
Others leave the church where they find rejection and marginalization and go toward something more fulfilling.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#8226 Nov 18, 2012
Quest wrote:
And yet, you have NEVER been able to show a single adverse affect....That's not a sign of a sane mind.
^^^Defamation is adverse affect.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#8227 Nov 18, 2012
Dr. Chris Beyrer, director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Public Health: "We know for certain that lesbian and gay individuals suffer harm to their physical and psychological health, and to their relationships and quality of life, as result of the shame, isolation and stigma accrued from their social and legal disenfranchisement."

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