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Maryland Gay Marriage Could Hinge on Black Churches

There are 9652 comments on the The Skanner story from Mar 1, 2012, titled Maryland Gay Marriage Could Hinge on Black Churches. In it, The Skanner reports that:

With Maryland poised to legalize gay marriage, some conservative opponents and religious leaders are counting on members of their congregations, especially in black churches, to upend the legislation at the polls this fall.

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DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#7519 Oct 13, 2012
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
The only people who vote to get rid of one man one women marriages are people like you who divorce.
can I get a BAZINGA?

lol

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#7520 Oct 13, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>When government recognizes two men as a married couple, the law says a wife is irrelevant to that marriage. By extension, if a child is in custody of that 'married' couple, the law would say a mother is irrelevant to that family. Put another way, same sex marriage means a black father is irrelevant in a black family and a black wife is irrelevant in a black marriage.
I'm glad that's' finally cleared up.
Now for MY campaign AD:

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Full civil rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender individuals must be enacted now. Delay and excuses are no longer acceptable.

We will not leave any part of our community behind.

Separate is never equal.

Religious beliefs are not a basis upon which to affirm or deny civil rights.

The establishment and guardianship of full civil rights is a non-partisan issue.

Individual involvement and grassroots action are paramount to success and must be encouraged.

Success is measured by the civil rights we all achieve, not by words, access or money raised.

Those who seek our support are expected to commit to these principles.

Being united by common principles and engaging in united action, we will achieve the following goals:

DIGNITY AND EQUALITY. Every lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender person has inherent dignity and worth, and has the right to live free of discrimination and harassment.

FAMILY. Every LGBT person has the right to a family without legal barriers to immigration, civil marriage or raising children.

ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. Every LGBT person has the right to economic opportunity free from discrimination in employment, public housing, accommodation, public utilities, credit, and federally funded programs and activities.

EDUCATION. Every LGBT child and youth has the right to an education that is affirming, inclusive and free from bullying.

NATIONAL SECURITY. Every LGBT person should have the opportunity to serve our country openly and equally in our military and foreign service.

CRIME. Every LGBT person should enjoy life protected against bias crimes.

HEALTH CARE. Every person should have access to affordable, high quality, and culturally competent health care without discrimination.

CALL TO ACTION
1. We demand that government officials act now to achieve full civil rights without delay.
2. Our organizations and individuals need to develop a collaborative and revolutionary new organizing model that mobilizes millions of supporters through emerging web and phone technologies.
3. All LGBT individuals must accept personal responsibility to do everything within their power for equality and should get involved in the movement by volunteering, giving and being out.
4. We will hold elected officials and our organizations accountable for being transparent and achieving full civil rights by active participation when possible and active opposition when necessary.
5. Our allies need to be proactive in public support for full civil rights.
6. Every government measure that quantifies the US citizenry must permit LGBT individuals to self-identify and be counted in every way citizens are counted.
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DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#7521 Oct 13, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Now for MY campaign AD:
The following eight guiding principles underlie our call to action. In order to achieve full civil rights now, we avow:
Full civil rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender individuals must be enacted now. Delay and excuses are no longer acceptable.
We will not leave any part of our community behind.
Separate is never equal.
Religious beliefs are not a basis upon which to affirm or deny civil rights.
The establishment and guardianship of full civil rights is a non-partisan issue.
Individual involvement and grassroots action are paramount to success and must be encouraged.
Success is measured by the civil rights we all achieve, not by words, access or money raised.
Those who seek our support are expected to commit to these principles.
Being united by common principles and engaging in united action, we will achieve the following goals:
DIGNITY AND EQUALITY. Every lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender person has inherent dignity and worth, and has the right to live free of discrimination and harassment.
FAMILY. Every LGBT person has the right to a family without legal barriers to immigration, civil marriage or raising children.
ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. Every LGBT person has the right to economic opportunity free from discrimination in employment, public housing, accommodation, public utilities, credit, and federally funded programs and activities.
EDUCATION. Every LGBT child and youth has the right to an education that is affirming, inclusive and free from bullying.
NATIONAL SECURITY. Every LGBT person should have the opportunity to serve our country openly and equally in our military and foreign service.
CRIME. Every LGBT person should enjoy life protected against bias crimes.
HEALTH CARE. Every person should have access to affordable, high quality, and culturally competent health care without discrimination.
CALL TO ACTION
1. We demand that government officials act now to achieve full civil rights without delay.
2. Our organizations and individuals need to develop a collaborative and revolutionary new organizing model that mobilizes millions of supporters through emerging web and phone technologies.
3. All LGBT individuals must accept personal responsibility to do everything within their power for equality and should get involved in the movement by volunteering, giving and being out.
4. We will hold elected officials and our organizations accountable for being transparent and achieving full civil rights by active participation when possible and active opposition when necessary.
5. Our allies need to be proactive in public support for full civil rights.
6. Every government measure that quantifies the US citizenry must permit LGBT individuals to self-identify and be counted in every way citizens are counted.
7. We demand that the media present LGBT lives in fair, accurate and objective ways that neither include nor give credence to unsubstantiated, discriminatory claims and opinions
__________
Join the growing chorus of Americans speaking in unison to take action now for full civil rights to lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender citizens. Register now to ActOnPrinciples.org
Now if the words "gay and lesbian" were changed to "African American" or "Hispanic", I wonder how many people would claim we aren't fighting for the same goals they are.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#7522 Oct 14, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Now for MY campaign AD:
The following eight guiding principles underlie our call to action. In order to achieve full civil rights now, we avow:
Full civil rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender individuals must be enacted now. Delay and excuses are no longer acceptable.
We will not leave any part of our community behind.
Separate is never equal.
Religious beliefs are not a basis upon which to affirm or deny civil rights.
The establishment and guardianship of full civil rights is a non-partisan issue.
Individual involvement and grassroots action are paramount to success and must be encouraged.
Success is measured by the civil rights we all achieve, not by words, access or money raised.
Those who seek our support are expected to commit to these principles.
Being united by common principles and engaging in united action, we will achieve the following goals:
DIGNITY AND EQUALITY. Every lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender person has inherent dignity and worth, and has the right to live free of discrimination and harassment.
FAMILY. Every LGBT person has the right to a family without legal barriers to immigration, civil marriage or raising children.
ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. Every LGBT person has the right to economic opportunity free from discrimination in employment, public housing, accommodation, public utilities, credit, and federally funded programs and activities.
EDUCATION. Every LGBT child and youth has the right to an education that is affirming, inclusive and free from bullying.
NATIONAL SECURITY. Every LGBT person should have the opportunity to serve our country openly and equally in our military and foreign service.
CRIME. Every LGBT person should enjoy life protected against bias crimes.
HEALTH CARE. Every person should have access to affordable, high quality, and culturally competent health care without discrimination.
CALL TO ACTION
1. We demand that government officials act now to achieve full civil rights without delay.
2. Our organizations and individuals need to develop a collaborative and revolutionary new organizing model that mobilizes millions of supporters through emerging web and phone technologies.
3. All LGBT individuals must accept personal responsibility to do everything within their power for equality and should get involved in the movement by volunteering, giving and being out.
4. We will hold elected officials and our organizations accountable for being transparent and achieving full civil rights by active participation when possible and active opposition when necessary.
5. Our allies need to be proactive in public support for full civil rights.
6. Every government measure that quantifies the US citizenry must permit LGBT individuals to self-identify and be counted in every way citizens are counted.
7. We demand that the media present LGBT lives in fair, accurate and objective ways that neither include nor give credence to unsubstantiated, discriminatory claims and opinions
__________
Join the growing chorus of Americans speaking in unison to take action now for full civil rights to lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender citizens. Register now to ActOnPrinciples.org
BAZINGA

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#7523 Oct 14, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Now if the words "gay and lesbian" were changed to "African American" or "Hispanic", I wonder how many people would claim we aren't fighting for the same goals they are.
To me it seems the goal is the same. Equal rights and dignity.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#7524 Oct 14, 2012
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
To me it seems the goal is the same. Equal rights and dignity.
Of course.
ALICIA BANKS

Little Rock, AR

#7525 Oct 14, 2012

“Alley Cat Blues”

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#7526 Oct 15, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Now for MY campaign AD:
The following eight guiding principles underlie our call to action. In order to achieve full civil rights now, we avow:
Full civil rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender individuals must be enacted now. Delay and excuses are no longer acceptable.
We will not leave any part of our community behind.
Separate is never equal.
Religious beliefs are not a basis upon which to affirm or deny civil rights.
The establishment and guardianship of full civil rights is a non-partisan issue.
Individual involvement and grassroots action are paramount to success and must be encouraged.
Success is measured by the civil rights we all achieve, not by words, access or money raised.
Those who seek our support are expected to commit to these principles.
Being united by common principles and engaging in united action, we will achieve the following goals:
DIGNITY AND EQUALITY. Every lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender person has inherent dignity and worth, and has the right to live free of discrimination and harassment.
FAMILY. Every LGBT person has the right to a family without legal barriers to immigration, civil marriage or raising children.
ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. Every LGBT person has the right to economic opportunity free from discrimination in employment, public housing, accommodation, public utilities, credit, and federally funded programs and activities.
EDUCATION. Every LGBT child and youth has the right to an education that is affirming, inclusive and free from bullying.
NATIONAL SECURITY. Every LGBT person should have the opportunity to serve our country openly and equally in our military and foreign service.
CRIME. Every LGBT person should enjoy life protected against bias crimes.
HEALTH CARE. Every person should have access to affordable, high quality, and culturally competent health care without discrimination.
CALL TO ACTION
1. We demand that government officials act now to achieve full civil rights without delay.
2. Our organizations and individuals need to develop a collaborative and revolutionary new organizing model that mobilizes millions of supporters through emerging web and phone technologies.
3. All LGBT individuals must accept personal responsibility to do everything within their power for equality and should get involved in the movement by volunteering, giving and being out.
4. We will hold elected officials and our organizations accountable for being transparent and achieving full civil rights by active participation when possible and active opposition when necessary.
5. Our allies need to be proactive in public support for full civil rights.
6. Every government measure that quantifies the US citizenry must permit LGBT individuals to self-identify and be counted in every way citizens are counted.
7. We demand that the media present LGBT lives in fair, accurate and objective ways that neither include nor give credence to unsubstantiated, discriminatory claims and opinions
__________
Join the growing chorus of Americans speaking in unison to take action now for full civil rights to lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender citizens. Register now to ActOnPrinciples.org
You have my vote!!

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#7527 Oct 15, 2012
Quest wrote:
Why would any sane person vote to harm families and kids?
Keeping marriage one man and one woman helps children by giving a value no same sex marriage can produce; a mother and father. Life's tough enough without new custody battles single parents and the newly discovered minority gender segregationists. Depriving a child of a mother or farther harms children and family, not civil unions. Financial incentives for mothers to raise children without a father harms families, not waiting to graduate high school, finding a job and marrying before having children.

Down with social welfare genocide. Up with defending marriage.

.
Quest wrote:
There should always be a rational reason to deny equal protection under the law to any group of citizens. Do you have a rational reason for this type of vote?
Gays have equal rights in marriage, under the same law as everyone else. I cite Oscar Wilde and Meredith Baxter as two well known examples. Most homosexuals understand civilization is built on gender roles, language and human biology. This is marriage equality: a lesbian marries a gay. Or any male/female couple can marry, like mom and dad. Same sex marriage is anti-gay since marriage used to be more important.

Stop the radical secularists redefining marriage, mandating new adoption preferences, medical infertility therapy and abortion benefits! It doesn't matter how much we sympathize with the 47% or the 3% or any individuals; rules exist because they are standards.

I like protecting marriage, I think Maryland does too!

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#7528 Oct 15, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Gays have equal rights in marriage, under the same law as everyone else. I cite Oscar Wilde and Meredith Baxter as two well known examples.
Does anybody but you need to be reminded how well that worked out?

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#7529 Oct 15, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
Keeping marriage one man and one woman helps children by giving a value no same sex marriage can produce; a mother and father. Life's tough enough without new custody battles single parents and the newly discovered minority gender segregationists. Depriving a child of a mother or farther harms children and family, not civil unions. Financial incentives for mothers to raise children without a father harms families, not waiting to graduate high school, finding a job and marrying before having children.
Down with social welfare genocide. Up with defending marriage.[/QUOT]

Then where is your petition to outlaw divorce!?!?!? Until we see that legislation or amendment proposed, we cannot take your claims seriously.

[QUOTE who="Brian_G"]Gays have equal rights in marriage, under the same law as everyone else. I cite Oscar Wilde and Meredith Baxter as two well known examples. Most homosexuals understand civilization is built on gender roles, language and human biology. This is marriage equality: a lesbian marries a gay. Or any male/female couple can marry, like mom and dad. Same sex marriage is anti-gay since marriage used to be more important.
Stop the radical secularists redefining marriage, mandating new adoption preferences, medical infertility therapy and abortion benefits! It doesn't matter how much we sympathize with the 47% or the 3% or any individuals; rules exist because they are standards.
I like protecting marriage, I think Maryland does too!
yada yada yada

The same held true for blacks and whites pre 1967. So how can we cannot take your claims seriously.

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#7530 Oct 15, 2012
Sorry. Let me try this again.
Brian_G wrote:
Keeping marriage one man and one woman helps children by giving a value no same sex marriage can produce; a mother and father. Life's tough enough without new custody battles single parents and the newly discovered minority gender segregationists. Depriving a child of a mother or farther harms children and family, not civil unions. Financial incentives for mothers to raise children without a father harms families, not waiting to graduate high school, finding a job and marrying before having children.
Down with social welfare genocide. Up with defending marriage.
Then where is your petition to outlaw divorce!?!?!? Until we see that legislation or amendment proposed, we cannot take your claims seriously.
Brian_G wrote:
Gays have equal rights in marriage, under the same law as everyone else. I cite Oscar Wilde and Meredith Baxter as two well known examples. Most homosexuals understand civilization is built on gender roles, language and human biology. This is marriage equality: a lesbian marries a gay. Or any male/female couple can marry, like mom and dad. Same sex marriage is anti-gay since marriage used to be more important.
Stop the radical secularists redefining marriage, mandating new adoption preferences, medical infertility therapy and abortion benefits! It doesn't matter how much we sympathize with the 47% or the 3% or any individuals; rules exist because they are standards.
I like protecting marriage, I think Maryland does too!
yada yada yada

The same held true for blacks and whites pre 1967. So how can we cannot take your claims seriously.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#7531 Oct 15, 2012
DaveinMass wrote:
Sorry. Let me try this again.
<quoted text>
Then where is your petition to outlaw divorce!?!?!? Until we see that legislation or amendment proposed, we cannot take your claims seriously.
<quoted text>
yada yada yada
The same held true for blacks and whites pre 1967. So how can we cannot take your claims seriously.
i think what you want to say in your last sentence is, "How can we possibly take your claims seriously?"

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#7532 Oct 15, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Keeping marriage one man and one woman helps children by giving a value no same sex marriage can produce; a mother and father. Life's tough enough without new custody battles single parents and the newly discovered minority gender segregationists. Depriving a child of a mother or farther harms children and family, not civil unions. Financial incentives for mothers to raise children without a father harms families, not waiting to graduate high school, finding a job and marrying before having children.
Down with social welfare genocide. Up with defending marriage.
.
<quoted text>Gays have equal rights in marriage, under the same law as everyone else. I cite Oscar Wilde and Meredith Baxter as two well known examples. Most homosexuals understand civilization is built on gender roles, language and human biology. This is marriage equality: a lesbian marries a gay. Or any male/female couple can marry, like mom and dad. Same sex marriage is anti-gay since marriage used to be more important.
Stop the radical secularists redefining marriage, mandating new adoption preferences, medical infertility therapy and abortion benefits! It doesn't matter how much we sympathize with the 47% or the 3% or any individuals; rules exist because they are standards.
I like protecting marriage, I think Maryland does too!
I'd like to remind other readers that Brian G, the defender of one man one woman marriage is DIVORCED!

If he truly believes in his one man one woman world two questions become relevant.

1) Why did his marriage fail?

2) If he believes in one man one woman doesn't that mean he can never re-marry?

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#7533 Oct 15, 2012
DNF wrote:
i think what you want to say in your last sentence is, "How can we possibly take your claims seriously?"
And you would be correct.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#7534 Oct 15, 2012
nhjeff wrote:
Does anybody but you need to be reminded how well that worked out?
They both had children, Oscar was survived by his sons.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#7535 Oct 15, 2012
DaveinMass wrote:
Sorry. Let me try this again.
<quoted text>
Then where is your petition to outlaw divorce!?!?!? Until we see that legislation or amendment proposed, we cannot take your claims seriously.
I'm not against divorce, I'm for protecting marriage. Divorce protects the consensual nature of marriage.

.
DaveinMass wrote:
yada yada yada The same held true for blacks and whites pre 1967. So how can we cannot take your claims seriously.
The same is true, plenty of jurisdictions allowed interracial marriage. Before the 21st Century, no written copy of same sex marriage law exists.

“You wish you were here!!”

Since: May 09

The OC

#7537 Oct 15, 2012
ALICIA BANKS wrote:
Wow...whatever you are selling I don't want any! Enjoy that anger.

"To be conscious in America is to be in a constant state of rage..."

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#7538 Oct 15, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not against divorce, I'm for protecting marriage. Divorce protects the consensual nature of marriage.
.
<quoted text>The same is true, plenty of jurisdictions allowed interracial marriage. Before the 21st Century, no written copy of same sex marriage law exists.
Untrue. SSM laws were passed in the 20th Century in many nations.

And I do see how divorce protects the consensual nature of marriage. It just doesn't do much to protect the sanctity of a marriage.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#7539 Oct 15, 2012
Public service announcement:
To all those who claim there is no connection between the blacks struggle for equality and the GLBT struggle I suggest you read this:

"South Africa officially recognizes gay pride flag"

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/gay/TR45IAC89...

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