In U.S. fight over gay marriage, both sides gearing up for more battles

[nhjeff]

Jane Dough wrote:

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Given I showed you how national organizations looked at a map and decided to focus on Vermont, will I still see you around here pretending it was a local movement?
I never claimed the oppositon was all local, but you sure did claim your side was...
you take it back, right?
(no pun intended)

No. I never claimed our side didn't employ outside resources. I claimed that our resources came primarly from in the state and, to a greater extent, our opponents relied on (1) financial resources from out-of-staters (2) staffers from out-of-state and (3) church hierarchy. Our side mobilized in-state resources more effectively in Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Maryland, Washington, and Minnesota. That's how we won.

The fact is the opponents of same-sex marriage have never had an extensive in-state infrastructure outside of the church leaders that they rely on to carry their water. Going forward, expensive media campaigns and their church leaders will be increasingly ineffective in these battles. Our side will continue to mobilize large in-state efforts with an emphasis on one-on-one conversations with voters. That's how we won all four states in 2012. Unless our opponents learn to do the same, they will have more losses.

Our efforts were massive this year. And they worked because of the friends-and-neighbors approach.

[Dan C]

Moan a Lott wrote:

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Is there a WOMAN's right to choose? With equality how can that be?
oh right, rights are a FLUID concept...
are you sure you should be insulting ME?(especially since I didn't hand have not insulted you, isn't the HATE supposed to be on my side?)

Well yeah...it is a woman's right to choose in terms of a marriage.

Wha??? You think it's OK for a woman to be drug to the altar wearing a pretty wedding dress, sparkly nine inch pumps while being hog tied with nylon rope wearing some duct tape for lipstick with the groom saying her "I do's" for her?

ROFL!!!!

I don't 'hate' you goof...I'm just giveng you my opinion on your GOOFED up posts and opinion on this matter so quit bunching up like a toddler being told he won't get a cherry sucker as he's eyeballing it in the checkout line at the local supermarket.

LOL!!!

Good gaaaawd.....

[Moan a Lott]

Dan C wrote:

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Exactly. And why should we deny a license towards a personal institution which directs itself to an American citizen pursuing a basic freedom?
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Name another right that is also a state issued LICENSE?

maybe you should think on that instead of typing out "@sshat" for the tenth time?

you are way too angry to be straight...

[Dan C]

Moan a Lott wrote:

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I think you are going to have to try this one again...it is intelligible...
it would be nice if you could make your point without childish insults, its also very telling if you cannot...

Nah...you just can't comprehend well thought out verse and words containing more than one syllable.

Talk to your sainted momma....it's probably her faulty your IQ falls lower than a beaver thinking his role in life is to find a local road and perform as a speedbump.

[Dan C]

Moan a Lott wrote:

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I think I will just let you post just stand on its own...thanks for it Dan!

No problem.

Just knock or post something else stupid if you want more.

LOL!!!

[Moan a Lott]

nhjeff wrote:

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No. I never claimed our side didn't employ outside resources.

your words:
"Vermont asked national groups to stay home and let the state sort out civil unions itself, which is what happened."

I'll leave it at that.

[Dan C]

Moan a Lott wrote:

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Hey Dan, you are jumping into the conversation at the long pathetic end....why would you be so presumptuous as to think you knew what we were talking about?

Err.....

...would the topic not be gay marriage?

As in the title; "In U.S. fight over gay marriage, both sides gearing up for more battles"????

You're an IDIOT.

[Moan a Lott]

Dan C wrote:

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I don't 'hate' you goof...

whats with the insults then, do you normally insult your friends?

[Moan a Lott]

Dan C wrote:

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Nah...you just can't comprehend well thought out verse and words containing more than one syllable.
Talk to your sainted momma....it's probably her faulty your IQ falls lower than a beaver thinking his role in life is to find a local road and perform as a speedbump.

wow another clown that needs to get his angst out sending silly insults at me and thinking they are "Arguments"..

you grow on trees!

[Moan a Lott]

Dan C wrote:

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No problem.
Just knock or post something else stupid if you want more.
LOL!!!

Why would I want more asinine rambles and silly insults?
With lides, Mona and Lacez, such things are abundant here...

[Dan C]

Moan a Lott wrote:

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Name another right that is also a state issued LICENSE?
maybe you should think on that instead of typing out "@sshat" for the tenth time?
you are way too angry to be straight...

Yeah...angry. I'm just vfuming right now....it shows clearly as a laugh my ass off.

LOL!!!!

State issued license? Well....a license to drive dumbass would be yet another example.

What? You think there's a connection between a driving license and a marriage license.

Maybe in your mind they give out tests like they do driving licenses to those who want to marry. Have thedm take a written examination....watch them have sex behind two way mirrors to make sure they're doing it 'right'.....

ROFL!!!!!

Listen moron....marriage licenses are for 2 purposes...to make sure the couple is not closely related and to provide a legal format for the union.

Get a grip.

[Moan a Lott]

Dan C wrote:

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Err.....
...would the topic not be gay marriage?
As in the title; "In U.S. fight over gay marriage, both sides gearing up for more battles"????
You're an IDIOT.

yawn.(stretches)

I attract the nuttiest people here!

[Dan C]

Moan a Lott wrote:

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whats with the insults then, do you normally insult your friends?

You're not my friend.

Kleenex....on sale now at Target....2 for 1. Stock up.

LOL!!!

[nhjeff]

Moan a Lott wrote:

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your words:
"Vermont asked national groups to stay home and let the state sort out civil unions itself, which is what happened."
I'll leave it at that.

Yes, my statement was unclear. I specifically meant to refer to the battle that ensued after the Vermont legislature took up the issue of marriage or civil unions.

As I have pointed out, however, the six individuals who brought the Baker suit were Vermonters. And their winning lawyer now sits on the Vermont Supreme Court. Council was shared with GLAD, which is a New England based GLBT legal advocacy organization.

[Dan C]

Moan a Lott wrote:

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wow another clown that needs to get his angst out sending silly insults at me and thinking they are "Arguments"..
you grow on trees!

Actually I was born.

And angst? Angst over what goof?? I'm not gay, I'm not a homosexual trying to get married, my bother and sisters are not gay and as to date I've never seen my dog try and mount another male so no...no angst.

Your reasoning against gay marriage is more flawed than thinking you can take a 10 speed Scwinn bicycle and compete in a NASCAR race moron. I'm just giving you my thoughts in response to seeing your ignorance.

[Dan C]

Moan a Lott wrote:

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yawn.(stretches)
I attract the nuttiest people here!

I doubt if you were a peanut covered side of beef hanging in the forests of Yosemite National Park you cold attract so much as a visiting fly let alone a hungry grizzly bear you're so sad so I'd give that thought a rest.

LOL!!!

You're just another putz who thinks by skewing fact you in turn made a point when in fact all you did was to display your ignorance.

There's no harm associated witgh gays marrying fool....let 'em marry and work on yourself because you need it.

[au contraire]

Uve wrote:

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Not weak, normal ...just calling a spade a spade.

I said nothing about Obama.

[Jupiter]

Moan a Lott wrote:

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Name another right that is also a state issued LICENSE?
maybe you should think on that instead of typing out "@sshat" for the tenth time?
you are way too angry to be straight...

I've seen Dan in other posts long before you jumped in and believe me, he's straight.

[Jupiter]

Moan a Lott wrote:

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Why would I want more asinine rambles and silly insults?
With lides, Mona and Lacez, such things are abundant here...

You seem to love it.

[Jane Dough]

nhjeff wrote:

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Yes, my statement was unclear. I specifically meant to refer to the battle that ensued after the Vermont legislature took up the issue of marriage or civil unions.

Jeff...JEFF! The national organizations orchestrated it from square one, no amount of dancing around it is going to change that fact.

Nor that you specifically stated in error that this was not the case.