<quoted text> I debating just ignoring you, but I'll try again... First, do you see how you first said I didn't give you answers and then spoke about the ones I gave you? that's what makes me want to ignore you... <quoted text> and what does this say about the preference or encouragement of biological families? nothing! We encourage home ownership (or at least used to). The fact that some rent, or are homeless has no bearing. And AGAIN, as soon as you wish to pass on the wisdom of a choice you have gone too far in rational basis review... Is it rational to encourage a mom and dad? Yes. Does it need to be a proven indicator of success to be "rational"? NO! As suggested by NYE, because the sky is blue is irrational, but because we BELIEVE (not know) that having a mom and dad is better is enough! Feel free to respond, but I am not sure I am going to... I know you will troll away on that, but when you are saying I didn't give you an answer and then critique my answer in the next sentence, it's too much to take for very long....
Jane, your arguments regarding child rearing in a traditional marriage by biological parents are non-starters, for the reasons I have already stated. I never said you didnít offer a response, I merely have pointed out that the responses you have, thus far, offered fail to meet the lowest standard of judicial review.
The argument is not rational because the state demonstrably has no interest in children being raised by biological parents. How can we establish this? Because the state allows divorce in cases where children are present, often-awarding sole custody to one parent or the other. The state allows and regulates adoption, which by its very nature means children will not be raised by their biological parents. What is more, the state allows single parent adoption; say nothing of single parenthood outside of marriage.
The reality is that procreation is neither a prerequisite for, nor a requirement of legal marriage, and the state has no interest whatsoever in children being raised by their biological parents. Your argument is not rational; it is a rationalization, with no basis in reality.
<quoted text> LOL, you were obviously abused, and feel the need to have affection sexually through your gay partner, you've got nothing on me kiddie.
You make these false generalizations up? Or does Jebus speak to you? I've got a lot on you Asstroll..I'm not some old bigoted closet queen like you, trolling gay sites to get off, who can't even develop relationships. Does the Wifey know your trolling about on gay sites? She'd be mad, cause she probably hasn't had an organism with that little 3"er of yours in years. If you really want to occupy you little mind, why don't you go count the hairs on you a$$ and figure out the percentage that are grey..Or are you too fat for that..POS
<quoted text> No, you lying piece of inhuman filth, 2 dads, or 2 moms, both gay, are only training their own clone children to be homosexual deviants, with no personalities, you are taking away their life, you pieces of inhuman filth!
And yet 90% of kids raised by same-sex couples turn out to be straight, just like those raised by hetero couples.
<quoted text> Send us packing? Until 2016? You have to know that California will legalize gay marriage in 2016 if the SCOTUS doesn't do it in 2013. Why fight it so hard? You literally have nothing to gain.
We should have put in on the ballot in 2012 like Maine did and been done with it.
Instead we wait & wait & wait & wait for the SCOTUS which seems in no hurry to act.
How many more years are Californians willing to wait?
<quoted text> We should have put in on the ballot in 2012 like Maine did and been done with it. Instead we wait & wait & wait & wait for the SCOTUS which seems in no hurry to act. How many more years are Californians willing to wait?
Many Californians believe equal rights should never depend on any popular vote, and want constitutional equality affirmed by the courts, so they can never again be taken away by a majority influenced by fear and repressive religious beliefs not shared by all.
Justice delayed is justice denied, and separate can never be equal. That being said, Californians currently have marriage equality for those who were married in or out of state before prop 8, and still have "domestic partnerships" which provide nearly all of the state rights. As long as federal rights remain withheld, most I believe, are willing to wait for the courts and direct efforts toward overturning DOMA before devoting resources toward overturning 8 by popular vote. However, if the court fails its duty to enforce equal protections for everyone this time around, the next step will be to return to the ballot box.
<quoted text> I have homophobia yes, but is it an illness?...
Homophobia is disrupting your normal daily routines; robbing you of your time and freedom to enjoy your personal quality of life . Homophobia has put your life on hold; rendered you a psychological cripple . You are taking it out on total strangers on the internet . all day long
<quoted text> Survives maybe, but I doubt most do. And gay children only just started, they haven't grown up yet idiot.
Same-sex couples have been raising children for decades; they just haven't been able to marry until recently.
Every study ever done indicates children raised by same-sex couples turn out no different than kids raised by heteros. About the ONLY difference they found was that the 10% or so of kids who were gay had an easier time acceping it than their peers raised by straight couples.
<quoted text> Same-sex couples have been raising children for decades; they just haven't been able to marry until recently. Every study ever done indicates children raised by same-sex couples turn out no different than kids raised by heteros. About the ONLY difference they found was that the 10% or so of kids who were gay had an easier time acceping it than their peers raised by straight couples.
To expand on what you said, I'd add gay people have been raising children not just for decades, but for thousands of years, all over the world. Any harm is a result of the irrational prejudice of others who want to impose their scientifically unsupportable beliefs on the entire population rather than on themselves.
"The results of more than a century of anthropological research on households, kinship relationships, and families, across cultures and through time, provide no support whatsoever for the view that either civilization or viable social orders depend upon marriage as an exclusively heterosexual institution. Rather, anthropological research supports the conclusion that a vast array of family types, including families built upon same-sex partnerships, can contribute to stable and humane societies." (American Anthropological Association)
Coretta Scott King: "I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of racial justice... But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King, Jr., said,'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere'... I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King, Jr.'s dream to make room at the table of brotherhood and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people."
"We are all tied together in a single garment of destiny... I can never be what I ought to be until you are allowed to be what you ought to be," she said, quoting from her husband. "I've always felt that homophobic attitudes and policies were unjust and unworthy of a free society and must be opposed by all Americans who believe in democracy."3 "Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in Albany, Georgia, and St. Augustine, Florida, and many other campaigns of the Civil Rights Movement. Many of these courageous men and women were fighting for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own, and I salute their contributions."
"We have to launch a campaign against homophobia in the black community."
"Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood. This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group."
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