LGBT Movement's "New Morality": Makin...

LGBT Movement's "New Morality": Making Gay Okay

There are 38 comments on the Accuracy In Academia story from Aug 24, 2014, titled LGBT Movement's "New Morality": Making Gay Okay. In it, Accuracy In Academia reports that:

Author Robert Reilly's latest book, "Making Gay Okay: How Rationalizing Homosexual Behavior is Changing Everything," dissects the homosexual movement's strategy of indoctrinating Americans on the pros of LGBT behavior.

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Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#5 Aug 24, 2014
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The negative variant is to portray all detractors as victimizers by pairing them with negative images (symbols) of "[k]lansmen demanding that gays be slaughtered[,]...[h]ysterical backwoods preachers[,]...[m]enacing punks[,]...[and a] tour of Nazi concentration camps where homosexuals were tortured and gassed." In essence, they use positive or negative icons (symbols) and not the actual words for their persuasive message.
3. Dust Off the Unholy Alliance Perhaps the most menacing focus of the campaign is the special treatment reserved for the religious dissenters. The strategy is to "[j]am homohatred by linking it to Nazi horror."
Most contemporary hate groups on the Religious Right will bitterly resent the implied connection between homohatred and Nazi fascism. But since they can't defend the latter, they'll end up having to distance themselves by insisting that they would never go to such extremes. Such declarations of civility toward gays, of course, set our worst detractors on the slippery slope toward recognition of fundamental gay rights.
...[Furthermore] gays can undermine the moral authority of homohating churches over less fervent adherents by portraying ...[them] as antiquated backwaters, badly out of step ... with the latest findings of psychology. Against the atavistic tug of Old Time Religion one must set the mightier pull of Science and Public Opinion .... Such an 'unholy' alliance has already worked well in America against the churches, on such topics as divorce and abortion....[T]hat alliance can work for gays.
Although some might label such virulent persuasion tactics as antisocial, the form of government that we enjoy has persuasion at its roots.
III. PERSUASION, SOCIETY, AND DEMOCRACY A. Rhetoric The ancient civilizations of Greece and Rome are often considered the cradle of modern Western democracies. In Greece, a direct democracy, decisions were made through serious public discussion and open debate. Hence, the ability to personally persuade others to accept one's point of view was an essential skill. The Sophists filled the demand (marketplace) for the teaching of this public speaking skill called rhetoric.
When Rome later arose as a representative republic, "[p]ower was very often exercised not through bottom line legalities but through the persuasiveness and force of argument of particular office holders or assemblies." The Roman marketplace now required not only teachers but also professional persuaders for hire. Sophists were reborn as lawyers and lawmakers. Modern America is very much like the Roman Republic. Romans were primarily interested in the practical uses of the art of persuasion just as Americans are immersed in advertising and spin doctoring–"[l]ess interested in ... absolute truth and more interested in what 'works.'" Therefore, those that most influence society today, from lawyers to lawmakers, lobbyists to marketers, descend from the sophists, the experts in rhetoric and the artists of persuasion. Modern rhetorician Richard M. Weaver "was a champion of conservative ... ideas." "One of the mainstays of conservative thought is a concern for values. Weaver felt that American culture was losing many values worth preserving." These very same concepts underlie the resistance by society at large to affirmation of the homosexual community.
Gay guys are born with the same sexual orientation YOUR MOTHER was born with; attracted to men
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If if wasn't for attraction to men; you wouldn't be here
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So don't worry and be happy; sugar
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#6 Aug 24, 2014
Good Reverend wrote:
The homosexual movement is formed and driven in that conflict.
Weaver's book, Ideas Have Consequences, has been described as "a profound diagnosis of the sickness of our culture." Weaver's defense of language as the touchstone to enduring human values and universal truths is recurring and central to the conception of the role of rhetoric. Weaver describes four ways to interpret a subject rhetorically: "define its nature"; "place it in a cause-and-effect relationship"; interpret it "in terms of relationship of similarity and dissimilarity"; or interpret it "by credit of testimony or authority." The gay rights movement draws upon this strategy in the hope of reshaping American society and laws. Recall Kirk and Madsen's candid admission that, "[T]he separability–and manipulability–of the verbal label is the basis for all the abstract principles underlying our proposed campaign." The current debate, then, is framed differently by both sides. Is homosexual behavior normal or abnormal? Are the maladies commonly associated with the homosexual condition (depression, AIDS, suicide, cancer) caused by the behavior itself or society's reaction to it? Are homosexuals just the same as heterosexuals? Should science or society determine the acceptability of "gayness"? If history repeats itself, the point of view that holds sway in America's courts will first hold sway in the minds and hearts of individual citizens, judges, and lawmakers. And the heart and mind of society is the target market that the gay rights campaign means to capture in order to win the courts.
B. Modern Persuasion Theory: The Elaboration Likelihood Model (ELM) 1. Credibility of the ELM "Persuasion is the essence of marketing ..." and the "Elaboration Likelihood Model of persuasion has emerged in the last decade as a central focus of research on communication and persuasion." The ELM is the most comprehensive modern theory of how persuasion works. "For a given topic and setting, the ELM has the benefit of suggesting which kinds of source descriptions would or would not have effects similar to traditional message arguments." 2. To Think or Not to Think: Elaboration Petty and Cacioppo theorized a framework for two relatively distinct routes to persuasion (i.e. attitude change) as the central route and the peripheral route. These two routes are differentiated by the level of cognitive processing undertaken (i.e. amount of conscious examination or "elaboration" of the message) by a person exposed to persuasive communication. The central route is high level processing "based on a careful and thoughtful assessment ....[The low level peripheral route] is based on some cognitive, affective, or behavioral cue." As underlying motivations on how each route is used, Petty and Cacioppo list seven postulates in the ELM: 1. People are motivated to hold correct attitudes. 2. Although people want to hold correct attitudes, the amount and nature of issue-relevant elaboration in which they are willing or able to engage to evaluate a message vary with individual and situational factors. 3. Variables can affect the amount and direction of attitude change by ... affecting the extent or direction of issue and argument elaboration [i.e. cognitive effort to evaluate]. 4. Variables ...[have an affect] by either enhancing or reducing argument scrutiny. 5. Variables affecting message processing in a relatively biased manner can produce either a positive (favorable) or negative (unfavorable) motivational and/or ability bias to issue-relevant thoughts attempted. 6. As motivation and/or ability to process arguments is decreased, peripheral cues become relatively more important determinants of persuasion.
Gay guys are born with the same sexual orientation YOUR MOTHER was born with; attracted to men
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If if wasn't for attraction to men; you wouldn't be here
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So don't worry and be happy; sugar
Rick Perry s Closet

Philadelphia, PA

#8 Aug 24, 2014
More and more people know lgbt people and therefore know that spam spewing, fundie homophobes are sexually sick liars.

Celebrities help, political organizing helps, politicians help, social organizations help, professional organizations help, educational efforts, progressive houses of worship help...but it's really more and more people knowing lgbt people personally.

Since: Jan 08

Bangkok, Thailand

#11 Aug 25, 2014
Good Reverend wrote:
A whole lotta BS!
I've been told not to argue with pigs; you both get dirty and the pigs like it. Let me just say that the late "Dr." Joyce Brothers was no more a doctor than I am. Simply put, she lied about it to assume false prestige.
Rockport

Beverly, MA

#12 Aug 25, 2014
Well, not sure what the fuss is all about. If you are not inclined to be homosexual, not sure how preventing discrimination against homosexuals is promoting anything.

Nothing is being shoved down anybody's throat except fairness. If you are not inclined towards same sex relationships, then you certainly do not have to date or marry someone of the same sex.

But if you work with, or interact with people who are homosexual, then yes, you must behave yourself and treat them with the same fairness you are supposed to show everyone. If that is so difficult to do, then you may want to seek counseling because it is probably not just homosexuals with which you have problems interacting.

Minding your own business is just good manners and common sense.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#13 Aug 25, 2014
Rick Perry s Closet wrote:
More and more people know lgbt people and therefore know that spam spewing, fundie homophobes are sexually sick liars.
Celebrities help, political organizing helps, politicians help, social organizations help, professional organizations help, educational efforts, progressive houses of worship help...but it's really more and more people knowing lgbt people personally.
To know us is to love us ;o)

Since: Mar 07

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#14 Aug 25, 2014
Good Reverend wrote:
A basic understanding of how the social definition of homosexuality has seen change over the course of this century is important........
There is no "new morality" when it comes to gay folks. The same morality applies in all the same ways to all people.

Yes, the country's view of gay folks has changed as we have come to understand this natural and harmless innate trait. As more and more gay people live openly, the people that love them have learned not to fear, and that acceptance spreads.

It's very hard to hate and fear those you love, after all.

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#29 Aug 25, 2014
Waaaay to much cut and paste SPAM from 'the spammer'!
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#30 Aug 25, 2014
Good Reverend wrote:
PFLAG promotes the idea that ignorance of homosexuality has bred a climate of torment, fear and hatred in our schools.
Total nonsense. Sugar coating homosexuality is lying to other people's children. Parents should keep a close watch on what's happening at their schools.

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Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#31 Aug 25, 2014
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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Gay guys are born with the same sexual orientation YOUR MOTHER was born with; attracted to men
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If if wasn't for attraction to men; you wouldn't be here
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One is normal, one is not. The normal one is why he's here, the abnormal one can't produce those same results.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#32 Aug 25, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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One is normal, one is not. The normal one is why he's here, the abnormal one can't produce those same results.
LOL
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We don't need any more 'results' like him; sugar
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One troll is enough ;o)
Misplace Worry

Beverly, MA

#33 Aug 25, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Total nonsense. Sugar coating homosexuality is lying to other people's children. Parents should keep a close watch on what's happening at their schools.
Last time I checked, parents have not been keeping a close watch on their kids, otherwise we would not have such a high teenage pregnancy rate.

At least homosexual teens do not add to that problem.

So you are right, tend to your kids and do not be so overly concerned about someone else's sexual preference.

There are lots of problems in our society, and one of the biggest is people breeding before they are ready and able to care for a child.

That even covers a lot of supposed adults. Just because you are heterosexual and over 21 does not mean you will be an ideal parent. Many times it is the formula for living in poverty and depending on grandparents far too much. And when that does not work, then they turn to the government for help.

One thing I have noticed is that homosexual couples who adopt these kids born into these unfortunate situations that heterosexuals create, is that the homosexual couples are often better educated, much more dedicated as a team and have the money to bring up a child the right way.

Seeing a lot less of that among heterosexuals.

So if you feel the need to be critical, look within your own little clan and fix that mess and leave everybody else out of your misplace worries.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#34 Aug 25, 2014
Misplace Worry wrote:
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1. Last time I checked, parents have not been keeping a close watch on their kids, otherwise we would not have such a high teenage pregnancy rate.
At least homosexual teens do not add to that problem.
2. So you are right, tend to your kids and do not be so overly concerned about someone else's sexual preference.
3. There are lots of problems in our society, and one of the biggest is people breeding before they are ready and able to care for a child.
4. That even covers a lot of supposed adults. Just because you are heterosexual and over 21 does not mean you will be an ideal parent. Many times it is the formula for living in poverty and depending on grandparents far too much. And when that does not work, then they turn to the government for help.
5. One thing I have noticed is that homosexual couples who adopt these kids born into these unfortunate situations that heterosexuals create, is that the homosexual couples are often better educated, much more dedicated as a team and have the money to bring up a child the right way.
6. Seeing a lot less of that among heterosexuals.
7. So if you feel the need to be critical, look within your own little clan and fix that mess and leave everybody else out of your misplace worries.
1. Only because they can't.
2. Correct.
3. Happens all the time.
4. That would be TomInElPaso.
5. Ok, since many of these girls are children themselves, I'll give you that the adult gay couples are more likely to have more money, they may even be more educated, but to bring up a child the right way you need a dedicated mother and father.
6. Seeing a resurgence of HIV, and now syphilis, among homosexuals.
7. Tell that to your gay activist friends. Those elementary school kids don't belong to them.
Mitt s Baptism of Corpses

Philadelphia, PA

#35 Aug 25, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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One is normal, one is not.
You're merely a sexually sick, ignorant liar. Your repeated lie that all the mainstream medical and psych groups don't consider variations in sexual orientation perfectly normal has been laid to rest definitively.

It is your defamatory, lurid obsession with homosexuality that is unhealthy.

You will, however, continue with your hilarious idea that state AGs need to enforce laws on the books which have been ruled unconstitutional by the US Supreme Court. You gotta maintain your Stupid-GPA, after all.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#36 Aug 25, 2014
Wondering wrote:
One is normal, one is not. The normal one is why he's here, the abnormal one can't produce those same results.
So parents better keep a close eye on what's happening in their children's schools! Otherwise, children won't know that "abnormal" people should be viewed with a suspicious eye!
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#37 Aug 25, 2014
Mitt s Baptism of Corpses wrote:
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You're merely a sexually sick,
Paper Roses to you.

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Mitt s Baptism of Corpses

Philadelphia, PA

#38 Aug 25, 2014
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Paper Roses to you.
You should be busy getting those states AGs to enforce those laws ruled unconstitutional.

Also, you're due at reparative therapy.

Also, all the maladies you attribute to lgbt people as a group apply equally, at least, to heterosexuals.

You're very sick, whether you're just a troll or whether you actually believe the rubbish you post.
Roy

San Jose, CA

#39 Aug 25, 2014
Good Reverend wrote:
A basic understanding of how the social definition of homosexuality has seen change over the course of this century is important. Homosexuality was considered criminal under the law and evil by the church. Homosexuals were rescued by the medical establishment when the condition was "medicalized" early in the 1900s and redefined as a pathological condition, a disease. Then, beginning in the 1950s, scientific and political forces converged. Until Alfred Kinsey claimed that the large majority of Americans had homosexual interests and John D. Rockefeller's empire marketed Kinsey's voluminous Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (1948) and Sexual Behavior in the Human Female (1953) studies five decades ago, few ever spoke of homosexuality in public let alone as a public possibility. It certainly was not "O.K. to be gay" openly in America.
Even so, several years after the Kinsey bombshells, the Group for the Advancement of Psychiatry (GAP), an organization of esteemed physicians founded by the noted psychiatrist William C. Menninger, still defined homosexuality as a treatable disease, a sexual perversion, and as psychological (not biological) in nature.
As late as 1960, all fifty states maintained laws criminalizing sodomy. In 1963 the New York Academy of Medicine Committee on Public Health, restated that not only was homosexuality a disease (disorder), "some homosexuals have gone beyond the plane of defensiveness and now argue that deviancy is a 'desirable, noble, preferable way of life.'" In 1970, it was estimated that 84% of Americans agreed homosexuality was a "social corruption." In fact, far from homosexuality being considered just a social aberration, it was still officially defined by the American Psychiatric Association as a mental disorder.
Years of disruptive homosexual protests at APA annual conferences, some openly backed by the Gay Liberation Front, and aggressive internal homosexual activism finally changed all that in 1973. This political and non-scientific decision was "simply the opening phase of a war with normality. It was part of a two-phase sexual radicalization, the second phase being the raising of homosexuality to the level of an alternative lifestyle." It appears that this war analogy is justified. The success of the effort to neutralize the APA's disapproval gave the homosexual movement just the weapon they needed for the campaign we see today.
B. Sans Facts, Logic, or Proof 1. The Need for War
"In February 1988, a 'war conference' of 175 leading gay activists, representing organizations from across the land, convened in Warrenton, Virginia,(near Washington, D.C.) to establish a four-point agenda for the gay movement." After that meeting, Harvard-trained social scientists and homosexual activists Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen wrote a homosexual manifesto that proposed "[d]ismissing the movement's outworn techniques in favor of carefully calculated public relations propaganda .... lay[ing] groundwork for the next stage of the gay revolution, and its ultimate victory over bigotry." The strategies they promulgated are best understood by peering into the authors' shared fundamental belief: "Any society that flatly denies the fact that one or two citizens in every ten have strong homosexual interests, and structures its laws and values around this denial, is, to this extent, seriously ill." Driven by a worldview of victimization, the need for revolution and the establishment of a cultural identity, their strategy was unabashed and blunt: manipulate and control public discourse in order to unite and legitimate one group even at the expense of others. The war goal was to force acceptance of homosexual culture into the mainstream, to silence opposition, and ultimately to convert American society.
Tell it Good Reverend!!!

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#40 Aug 25, 2014
Roy wrote:
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Tell it Good Reverend!!!
Tell it truthfully would be better.

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#41 Aug 25, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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......... but to bring up a child the right way you need a dedicated mother and father.

7. Tell that to your gay activist friends. Those elementary school kids don't belong to them.
Actually, a child needs dedicated parents. That's the key.

And yes, some of these kids belong to gay parents. And some of those kids are gay, themselves.

Learn to deal with it.

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