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GraceJeanJones

Detroit, MI

#1 Nov 8, 2008
Obama was very influential in helping seal the fate of gays & lesbians regarding Proposition 8 in California, and the anti-gay amendment that passed in Florida.

After reading how Obama threw gays & lesbians underneath the bus, how Obama fanned the flames of hate that many blacks feel toward gays & lesbians…..all this, just to get more votes……is it any wonder that 70% of black voters voted against gays & lesbians in California and Florida????

Obama should be ashamed of himself. Such strategies are right out the Karl Rove playbook, Obama’s strategy was even worse than Rove’s…….please read below for yourself:

http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2007/11/...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutc...
Paulathesurfmom

Dayton, OH

#2 Nov 8, 2008
Enough grace...

this is what happen...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3A41cw14sOg/SQzwDid...

That was a flyer sent out by yes on 8 supporters on the Saturday before the election... and Obama tried to say it was not from him... but it was the Saturday before the election...

So stop with the Karl Rove sh8t already
GraceJeanJones

Detroit, MI

#3 Nov 8, 2008
Paulathesurfmom wrote:
Enough grace...
this is what happen...
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3A41cw14sOg/SQzwDid...
That was a flyer sent out by yes on 8 supporters on the Saturday before the election... and Obama tried to say it was not from him... but it was the Saturday before the election...
So stop with the Karl Rove sh8t already
Read the articles for yourself:

http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2007/11/...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutc...

When Obama wanted to cozy up to the southern black evangelicals, he had no problem cloaking himself with the likes of Donnie McClurkin, Mary Mary, and the Rev. Hezikiah Walker. Mary Mary, for god's sake, who has likened gays & lesbians to murderers & prostitutes!!!!

OBAMA IS A SMART MAN, AND HE KNEW WAY BETTER!!!!

However, he wanted to win the South, so for Obama & his campaign, it was any "means" to and "end."

And look where his "means" got gays & lesbians in California & Florida......70% of blacks voting against gays.

Obama certainly did fan the flames of hate that many black feel toward gays & lesbians.

This was wrong....so please don't get angry with me for calling him out on this.

PLEASE read the articles for yourself!!!!

Since: Oct 08

El Paso

#4 Nov 8, 2008
Grace

Learn to read a damned calendar. Those pieces are a YEAR old. Get over it! Geesh
GraceJeanJones wrote:
Obama was very influential in helping seal the fate of gays & lesbians regarding Proposition 8 in California, and the anti-gay amendment that passed in Florida.
After reading how Obama threw gays & lesbians underneath the bus, how Obama fanned the flames of hate that many blacks feel toward gays & lesbians…..all this, just to get more votes……is it any wonder that 70% of black voters voted against gays & lesbians in California and Florida????
Obama should be ashamed of himself. Such strategies are right out the Karl Rove playbook, Obama’s strategy was even worse than Rove’s…….please read below for yourself:
http://direland.typepad.com/dind/2007/11/obam...
http://www.hu ffingtoom/earl-ofari-hutchinso n/obama-should-repudiate-an_b_ 69244.html
GraceJeanJones

Detroit, MI

#5 Nov 8, 2008
ElPasoGuy wrote:
Grace
Learn to read a damned calendar. Those pieces are a YEAR old. Get over it! Geesh
<quoted text>
Correct, this is what Obama did a year ago....but can you believe that just one short year ago, that Obama was throwing gays under the bus, cloaking himself with the likes of Mary Mary, who says gays are like murderers & prostitutes....all of this just to round up the black vote in the south.

If Obama did that then, what type of message do you think this sent to the black community?????

Is it any wonder blacks voted 70% against gays in California & Florida......if you are a gay person living in either of these two states, and if gay marriage might make a difference in your life, you might be rather upset that blacks, who showed up at the polls in record shattering numbers because a black man's name was on the ballot....the black vote against you, pretty much sealed your fate.

Read the articles for yourself, and yes, it was just one short year ago that Obama was doing these things to the gay community.

Obama knew way better!!!

http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2007/11/...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutc...
EclipsedExistenc e

Denton, TX

#6 Nov 8, 2008
I am so sorry that all the people that supported and campaigned for Obama were not all pro-gay. Obama was overwhelmingly elected in the electorate, do you really think that all those who supported him shared ALL of his views? I'm gay, and it bothers me what those people view, but you have to understand how a presidential campaign works. It isn't all sparkles and flowers and such. I would rather have a person like Obama who has shown that he would work for equal rights by his voting record, than a man who has shown that he won't by his.
I am so sorry that you are hurt by the outcome of Prop. 8 and similar votes, but whining about a man who supports equal rights isn't going to get you them. Go out to all you know who don't support gay marriage, or are unsure, and talk to them about why you feel why they should support gay marriage. Because quite frankly, your spam reminds me of will, it is just as bad.
GraceJeanJones wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct, this is what Obama did a year ago....but can you believe that just one short year ago, that Obama was throwing gays under the bus, cloaking himself with the likes of Mary Mary, who says gays are like murderers & prostitutes....all of this just to round up the black vote in the south.
If Obama did that then, what type of message do you think this sent to the black community?????
Is it any wonder blacks voted 70% against gays in California & Florida......if you are a gay person living in either of these two states, and if gay marriage might make a difference in your life, you might be rather upset that blacks, who showed up at the polls in record shattering numbers because a black man's name was on the ballot....the black vote against you, pretty much sealed your fate.
Read the articles for yourself, and yes, it was just one short year ago that Obama was doing these things to the gay community.
Obama knew way better!!!
http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2007/11/...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutc...

“Equality for all!”

Since: Jul 08

Bedford, Texas

#7 Nov 8, 2008
I am so sorry that all the people that supported and campaigned for Obama were not all pro-gay. Obama was overwhelmingly elected in the electorate, do you really think that all those who supported him shared ALL of his views? I'm gay, and it bothers me what those people view, but you have to understand how a presidential campaign works. It isn't all sparkles and flowers and such. I would rather have a person like Obama who has shown that he would work for equal rights by his voting record, than a man who has shown that he won't by his.
I am so sorry that you are hurt by the outcome of Prop. 8 and similar votes, but whining about a man who supports equal rights isn't going to get you them. Go out to all you know who don't support gay marriage, or are unsure, and talk to them about why you feel why they should support gay marriage. Because quite frankly, your spam reminds me of will, it is just as bad.
GraceJeanJones wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct, this is what Obama did a year ago....but can you believe that just one short year ago, that Obama was throwing gays under the bus, cloaking himself with the likes of Mary Mary, who says gays are like murderers & prostitutes....all of this just to round up the black vote in the south.
If Obama did that then, what type of message do you think this sent to the black community?????
Is it any wonder blacks voted 70% against gays in California & Florida......if you are a gay person living in either of these two states, and if gay marriage might make a difference in your life, you might be rather upset that blacks, who showed up at the polls in record shattering numbers because a black man's name was on the ballot....the black vote against you, pretty much sealed your fate.
Read the articles for yourself, and yes, it was just one short year ago that Obama was doing these things to the gay community.
Obama knew way better!!!
http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2007/11/...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutc...
CaliforniaGuy

United States

#8 Nov 8, 2008
Haven't you seen how Obama protects his children, it's very good. He obviously knows that children need a Mother & Father, and that is what marriage is about. Equality has nothing to do with it. It's an issue of gay rights verses children's rights. For the benefit of all, children's rights are more important. You gay activists are just being shelfish!

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#9 Nov 8, 2008
CaliforniaGuy wrote:
Haven't you seen how Obama protects his children, it's very good. He obviously knows that children need a Mother & Father, and that is what marriage is about. Equality has nothing to do with it. It's an issue of gay rights verses children's rights. For the benefit of all, children's rights are more important. You gay activists are just being shelfish!
What did children have anything to do with it?

Removing the rights of gays to marry isn't going to stop them from raising children!
CaliforniaGuy

United States

#10 Nov 8, 2008
Gay couples can not have children unless someone gives them a child or part of the genome. That is why it isn't marriage and that's what children have to do with it.

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#11 Nov 8, 2008
CaliforniaGuy wrote:
Gay couples can not have children unless someone gives them a child or part of the genome. That is why it isn't marriage and that's what children have to do with it.
I know a young man who is the biological son of a woman who is in a relationship with another woman. He'll tell anyone who asks that his mother's partner is one of the best things that ever happened to him. Do YOU know any gay parents, or children of gay parents?

The ability to have children has never been a requirement of marriage, nor is marriage a requiremnet to have children, so that argument doesn't hold water. Marriage, in the legal sense, is not, in itself, about children.

So, again, what do children have to do with it?
CaliforniaGuy

United States

#12 Nov 8, 2008
Traditionally failure to produce children has been a reason to end a marriage. Yes I have had gay friends, one of my best friends died of AIDS. Also, I have spoke with gay couples who agree with me.
Its nature’s way to insure that a child has a mother and father. It’s in the interest of society to not ignore nature. It’s in the interest of society to protect marriage.

If 3% of the population wants to change the meaning of marriage, shouldn’t it be up to them to prove that it will not harm the children of the other 97% of the population. When it come to the care of the next generation, experimentation in the name of equality isn’t acceptable.

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#13 Nov 8, 2008
CaliforniaGuy wrote:
Traditionally failure to produce children has been a reason to end a marriage. Yes I have had gay friends, one of my best friends died of AIDS. Also, I have spoke with gay couples who agree with me.
Its nature’s way to insure that a child has a mother and father. It’s in the interest of society to not ignore nature. It’s in the interest of society to protect marriage.
If 3% of the population wants to change the meaning of marriage, shouldn’t it be up to them to prove that it will not harm the children of the other 97% of the population. When it come to the care of the next generation, experimentation in the name of equality isn’t acceptable.
Wait, are you claiming that the marriage of gays will somehow magically affect the children of STRAIGHT couples?

Kay, how does THAT work?

"Traditionally failure to produce children has been a reason to end a marriage"

What? Since when? The diference of opinion on whether or not to have children is a common reason for divorce, but the simple fact of infirtility does not automatically disolve a marriage. Again, the ability to have children is NOT a requirement of marriage. That would be FASCISM.

“Equality for all!”

Since: Jul 08

Bedford, Texas

#14 Nov 8, 2008
The American Psychological Association has said that children raised by homoesexuals are no different than those raised by heterosexuals. As a matter of fact, numerous studies have found there is no negative effects on children raised by homosexuals. People like you just choose to ignore it. Facts are inconvenient, aren't they?

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications/lgpsu...
CaliforniaGuy wrote:
Traditionally failure to produce children has been a reason to end a marriage. Yes I have had gay friends, one of my best friends died of AIDS. Also, I have spoke with gay couples who agree with me.
Its nature’s way to insure that a child has a mother and father. It’s in the interest of society to not ignore nature. It’s in the interest of society to protect marriage.
If 3% of the population wants to change the meaning of marriage, shouldn’t it be up to them to prove that it will not harm the children of the other 97% of the population. When it come to the care of the next generation, experimentation in the name of equality isn’t acceptable.
CaliforniaGuy

United States

#15 Nov 8, 2008
Why do you jump to extremes, It’s not the states responsibility, to annual marriages they have already licensed. It is not worth thier trouble to test for fertility etc, etc, etc. The state is just acknowledging that a man and a woman have to potential to produce children and that potential obviously doesn’t exist with gay couples. But yes, marriage is all about children. If not so, why would a marriage license be denied to a brother and sister, or persons with inadquate mental capacity???

Marriage has the potential of producing children, or even adopting children. Unfortunate things happen that causes a child to not have a Father and Mother, but for the state to make it law that adopted children don't have that right to have a Mother and Father, is unconscionable.

Fascism is when my children go to school and learn that Dick and Jane have a Mother and Mother and I can’t prevent it because my school board decided that they want to promote gay marriage. Or if I give a public speech about how marriage should not include gay couples and I’m sued for hate speech, when I am speaking out of my concious for the sake of children. That's Fascism!! Three supreme court Justices said this was not an issue of equality!! It seems that people who favor gay marriage are very anxious to tag others with words like biget and fascist, etc.. They should look at thier selves, steeling signs, hurting people, keying others cars, demonstrating in the streets, breaking laws at precincts by physically imposing them selves on the voters. Compare that to the behavior of people who are protecting marriage!

“God made in the image of man”

Since: May 07

Sausalito, CA

#16 Nov 8, 2008
CaliforniaGuy wrote:
Gay couples can not have children unless someone gives them a child or part of the genome. That is why it isn't marriage and that's what children have to do with it.
You fcuking Christians have some nerve coming on to this forum after what you've you've done. It's how the Chirstians have always been. In favor of slavery (because the Bible condones it!), in favor of women's submission to men (because the Bible says so!). Now the fcuking black Christians have joined the fray. "Freedom at last!" but not for you homosexuals (because the Bible says so). The Bible seems to support everything but your own fcuking hypocrisy!!! But it's fine, you Christians just keep going, and see how many people are still going to subscribe to your hypocrisay twenty or thirty years from now. If you can't see it coming over the hill, you're blind. Religion has been humankind's curse. It has been at the root of every kind of evil, from the medieval witch hunts, to burning 'heretics' at the stake, to the Inquisition, to the Holocaust. Your day will come ...!!!!!!!

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#17 Nov 8, 2008
CaliforniaGuy wrote:
Why do you jump to extremes, It’s not the states responsibility, to annual marriages they have already licensed. It is not worth thier trouble to test for fertility etc, etc, etc. The state is just acknowledging that a man and a woman have to potential to produce children and that potential obviously doesn’t exist with gay couples. But yes, marriage is all about children. If not so, why would a marriage license be denied to a brother and sister, or persons with inadquate mental capacity???
Marriage has the potential of producing children, or even adopting children. Unfortunate things happen that causes a child to not have a Father and Mother, but for the state to make it law that adopted children don't have that right to have a Mother and Father, is unconscionable.
Fascism is when my children go to school and learn that Dick and Jane have a Mother and Mother and I can’t prevent it because my school board decided that they want to promote gay marriage. Or if I give a public speech about how marriage should not include gay couples and I’m sued for hate speech, when I am speaking out of my concious for the sake of children. That's Fascism!! Three supreme court Justices said this was not an issue of equality!! It seems that people who favor gay marriage are very anxious to tag others with words like biget and fascist, etc.. They should look at thier selves, steeling signs, hurting people, keying others cars, demonstrating in the streets, breaking laws at precincts by physically imposing them selves on the voters. Compare that to the behavior of people who are protecting marriage!
Marriage is denied to close relations becasue incest is shown to be mentally damaging to both parties involved. "Inadequate mental capacity" means they can't gve "informed, legal consent", which is required for marriage.

There's a difference between allowing gays to adopt and denying children a right to a mother and father. Any psychologist will tell you that it's not WHO does the parenting, but the QUALITY of parenting that matters.

You're children will go to school and meet kids being raised by gay parents whether these laws are in place or not. It is YOUR job to give them perspective on it. They are not going to go to school and learn that being homosexual is right. They may learn of the existence of it, but they learn of the existence of a lot of things that you are then to give them perspective on in the home. I think you're putting too much stock in what children hear and see in school.Parents are a child's biggest influence, and if you tell them from the beginning that you believe gay marriage is wrong, they will probably emulate that belief no matter what law is in place.

I'm sorry, but I'm still having trouble seeing your point. How exactly do you think gay marriage is detrimental to children?

“God made in the image of man”

Since: May 07

Sausalito, CA

#18 Nov 8, 2008
CaliforniaGuy wrote:
Why do you jump to extremes, It’s not the states responsibility, to annual marriages they have already licensed. It is not worth thier trouble to test for fertility etc, etc, etc. The state is just acknowledging that a man and a woman have to potential to produce children and that potential obviously doesn’t exist with gay couples. But yes, marriage is all about children. If not so, why would a marriage license be denied to a brother and sister, or persons with inadquate mental capacity???
Marriage has the potential of producing children, or even adopting children. Unfortunate things happen that causes a child to not have a Father and Mother, but for the state to make it law that adopted children don't have that right to have a Mother and Father, is unconscionable.
Fascism is when my children go to school and learn that Dick and Jane have a Mother and Mother and I can’t prevent it because my school board decided that they want to promote gay marriage. Or if I give a public speech about how marriage should not include gay couples and I’m sued for hate speech, when I am speaking out of my concious for the sake of children. That's Fascism!! Three supreme court Justices said this was not an issue of equality!! It seems that people who favor gay marriage are very anxious to tag others with words like biget and fascist, etc.. They should look at thier selves, steeling signs, hurting people, keying others cars, demonstrating in the streets, breaking laws at precincts by physically imposing them selves on the voters. Compare that to the behavior of people who are protecting marriage!
So you prefer if your children remain blissfully ignorant of the fact that there are such families out there who are just trying to make their way through this world as best they can? And it's OK if your children do not know that what homosexuals are and how they've been persecuted, hated and slaughtered throughout history? And you will keep telling your friends what 'sinful' people homosexuals are, refusing to mention that when they wanted to be monogomous and live upstanding lives in Society, you Christians refused to allow them a place at the table and sent them back into the cold?! That, my friend, is exactly the way I have come to know the Christians over the years. They are the first to do unto others as they would not have done to themselves. They would not like others to deny them the legal protection of the law, but are the first to take it away from others who have done them no harm. Nice. Keep it up, and we'll see how many of the next generation subscribe to your perverted sense of religion twenty years from now!
CaliforniaGuy

United States

#19 Nov 9, 2008
EclipsedExistence wrote:
The American Psychological Association has said that children raised by homoesexuals are no different than those raised by heterosexuals. As a matter of fact, numerous studies have found there is no negative effects on children raised by homosexuals. People like you just choose to ignore it. Facts are inconvenient, aren't they?
http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications/lgpsu...
<quoted text>
Thank you for the artical, I appreciate more substantial information. Calling it fact is a streatch. I will read it more carefully later, but I do see comments in it that indicate it is not conclusive. Surely you would agree, that before such a dramatic change occurs in Calif, we need to be more carefull, and simply claiming equality is not adiquate.
CaliforniaGuy

United States

#20 Nov 9, 2008
Umninimuzi wrote:
<quoted text>
So you prefer if your children remain blissfully ignorant of the fact that there are such families out there who are just trying to make their way through this world as best they can? And it's OK if your children do not know that what homosexuals are and how they've been persecuted, hated and slaughtered throughout history? And you will keep telling your friends what 'sinful' people homosexuals are, refusing to mention that when they wanted to be monogomous and live upstanding lives in Society, you Christians refused to allow them a place at the table and sent them back into the cold?! That, my friend, is exactly the way I have come to know the Christians over the years. They are the first to do unto others as they would not have done to themselves. They would not like others to deny them the legal protection of the law, but are the first to take it away from others who have done them no harm. Nice. Keep it up, and we'll see how many of the next generation subscribe to your perverted sense of religion twenty years from now!
Your showing your narrow mind. Hindus, Jews, Moslums, Budists, etc all agree that marriage doesn't include homosexuals, but somehow you think I'm Christian. What a shame. Do you think that because a religion teaches something it is automatically wrong? Do you think that tradition offers no wisdom? Your not behaving any better than those who are protesting on the streets.

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